SocialCircle 570 Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 1 hour ago, homersapien said: "Could have done better"? Trump refused to accept the reality of the pandemic because he knew it would threaten his chances for reelection. We now know he lied about what he actually knew about it. He repeatedly dismissed it as a political hoax. He politicized the public health measures which were - and are - the only tools we have to control it. He did all of this in a cynical effort to bolster what he thought were his best political play, regardless of how many additional deaths resulted. Hell, he's still doing it. "Could have done better" is ridiculous in its understatement. It reflects the perspective of someone who is in complete denial of reality - in other words - a cultist. Some of what you list is false or at best spin. Like I said, some good things were done and are still being done and other things could have been done better. I'm not a fan of Trump, but do think he is much better than the alternative today's Democratic party has offered up to oppose him last time and this time. Some of your perspective is based on pure hate. As I have pointed out before, under oath Fauci praised the president's response and said he saved lives and Cuomo and Newsom both praised the Trump administration for their help....of course this was before we got this close to the election. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homersapien 11,513 Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 22 hours ago, SocialCircle said: Some of what you list is false or at best spin. Like I said, some good things were done and are still being done and other things could have been done better. I'm not a fan of Trump, but do think he is much better than the alternative today's Democratic party has offered up to oppose him last time and this time. Some of your perspective is based on pure hate. As I have pointed out before, under oath Fauci praised the president's response and said he saved lives and Cuomo and Newsom both praised the Trump administration for their help....of course this was before we got this close to the election. That's just another Trump Lie. Fauci didn't praise Trump. He was talking about the Pandemic Response Team: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/fauci-responds-trump-campaign-ad-coronavirus-response/ Fauci pushes back on use of comments in Trump campaign ad on coronavirus response And let's not forget Trump abolished the Pandemic Response Team that was transfered to him from the prior administration. And no one criticizes Trump without fear of direct retribution which could sabotage the states efforts to control the virus: https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/politics/2020/04/17/trump-tweets-liberate-michigan-other-states-democratic-governors/5152037002/ Trump tweets 'liberate' Michigan, two other states with Dem governors And just recently: https://www.washingtonpost.com/transportation/2020/10/15/anarchist-jurisdictions-denied-covid-grant-money/ Administration wants to exclude ‘anarchist jurisdictions’ from coronavirus safety grant A transportation group called the action “un-American.” There's no "spin" on my part. All you have to do is look at the actual record including Trump's many statements - many of which are on video. When the (legitimate) histories are written on his sorry performance, they will parallel my statements - that's exactly why Trump stands where he does currently with the public on the question of handling the pandemic. Your sycophancy and cultish worship of Trump have made it impossible for you to recognize the simple facts and ignore the very words that come from his mouth. He's done nothing but over promise, lie and distort the truth from the beginning. All for political gain, American lives be damned. And it's not over yet. His incompetence will actively continue at least until the election (after which I hope he loses all interest), if not the inauguration: https://news.yahoo.com/trump-embraces-herd-immunity-in-wake-of-his-recovery-from-covid-19-200322727.html Trump embraces herd immunity in wake of his recovery from COVID-19 And then there's his interference with the process of developing and releasing a vaccine: https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/17/world/meanwhile-in-america-july-17/index.html What if they make a Covid-19 vaccine but Americans refuse to take it? https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2020/09/americans-increasingly-skeptical-covid-vaccine-poll-finds Americans increasingly skeptical of COVID vaccine, poll finds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homersapien 11,513 Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 "Could have done better??? How about, could do better? I thought Trump couldn’t handle the virus any worse than he already had. I was wrong. Opinion by Leana S. Wen Contributing columnist Oct. 15, 2020 Of all the many ways President Trump mishandled his covid-19 diagnosis and recovery, the worst is what he’s doing now: facilitating superspreader events while the United States is undergoing a surge in coronavirus cases. It’s not just the supremely reckless — and unnecessary — assembling of thousands of people, in close quarters and many of them maskless; it’s his overall unmistakable message of contempt for public health and disregard of others’ welfare. There is so much that I wish Trump had done differently during his illness. The American people still don’t know when he contracted the coronavirus or when he last tested negative before his diagnosis. It’s possible Trump knew he had the virus days before the White House disclosed his illness. We are left to wonder: Did the president knowingly expose others? Due to continuing obfuscation from Trump’s medical team, we are also left in the dark about how sick he was. Why won’t his doctor tell us the results of his chest x-rays — would they show that he has pneumonia, or possibly something else? And what, if any, other organ systems have been affected? If, on the other hand, it was a mild illness, why did he receive medications generally reserved for patients in severe or critical condition? In addition, there was that made-for-TV car ride — one of the most reckless actions I’ve ever seen a patient take. It endangered his own health to leave the hospital when his oxygen saturation was reported unstable for the previous two days. It also endangered Secret Service agents, who had no choice but to sit in a hermetically sealed vehicle with someone who was symptomatic from a potentially fatal disease. Then there was what happened after Trump was discharged from the hospital. He made a show of taking off his mask once he got back to the White House, which is exactly the opposite of what patients recovering at home should do. He spoke at an event nine days after the reported onset of symptoms, when guidelines from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention say that those with covid-19 should be isolated for 20 days if they have severe illness and are immunosuppressed (as Trump might have been since he was given a powerful steroid that itself suppresses the immune system). All of this makes it that much harder for health-care providers to do our jobs. How can we expect patients to follow our guidance when the First Patient won’t? Instead, we are once again forced to clarify misinformation from the president. No, there isn’t a cure for covid-19. No, we don’t know whether he’s immune. No, herd immunity through natural infection isn’t a solution; it’s an extremely dangerous proposition that could result in millions of deaths every year. It’s good that the president, having received extraordinary care measures not available to others, appears to be recovered, but many hundreds of Americans are dying every day because of the coronavirus, and many more will be living with its long-term consequences. And just when I thought it couldn’t get any worse, Trump announced plans for campaign rallies across the country, in coronavirus hotspots. On Monday, he held one in Florida, where the test positivity rate is 12 percent. On Tuesday, he was in Pennsylvania, where the rate of new infections has climbed to its highest level since April. Another state on his list, Wisconsin, is setting records in hospitalizations and deaths, and has just opened a field hospital on the state fairgrounds in anticipation of patient overflow. By now, we all know the danger of mass gatherings where thousands of maskless people are packed closely together. With high levels of infection in the areas where Trump is holding rallies, there will be attendees who are asymptomatic carriers capable of transmitting the coronavirus to many others. Then there are activities around the event: Attendees are likely to go to other high-risk settings such as indoor bars and then back to their families and workplaces to further spread the infection. Any of Trump’s rallies could be a major superspreader, further taxing a strained public health system that already cannot keep up with testing and contact tracing. The rallies will worsen the burden on hospitals that are already on the way to becoming overwhelmed. They will make it even harder for businesses and schools to stay open safely. And they will continue to make it hard for us to ask the American people to take precautions their president is openly flouting. During Trump’s illness, I was sympathetic. I wanted him to get better. I hoped that he would come out of his recovery with a new message for the American people that embraced some element of public health guidance. That hasn’t happened. In the aftermath of his illness, Trump is leading dangerous, potentially lethal events all over the country. This is the opposite of a public health strategy. It’s a worst-case scenario that will cause much more devastation to Americans’ health and our economy. https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/10/15/i-thought-trump-couldnt-handle-virus-any-worse-than-he-already-had-i-was-wrong/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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