VA school system brs parents..

[Grumps 3,704]

5 hours ago, homersapien said:

I think he was trying to make the point that the subject rape - including the administration malfeasance issues - should be addressed as a rape and malfeasance issue instead of a "gender" issue. 

At least that's the way I took it.

Naturally, it backfired. 

I am not sure what you are trying to say. I don't think that conservatives or anyone else thinks that this alleged rape was worse because the guy was wearing a skirt.

[SaturdayGT 719]

1 hour ago, Grumps said:

I am not sure what you are trying to say. I don't think that conservatives or anyone else thinks that this alleged rape was worse because the guy was wearing a skirt.

Exactly, I think the issue is that many, including me and so many other conservatives, as well as moderates and maybe even  a few other factions of the left....we all could see this coming with the gender fluid bathrooms.....We were horrible people in the eyes if some for merely being concerned. 

[homersapien 11,393]

3 hours ago, Grumps said:

I am not sure what you are trying to say. I don't think that conservatives or anyone else thinks that this alleged rape was worse because the guy was wearing a skirt.

No, not worse. 

But it certainly seemed the point was rape was the natural outcome from accommodating transexuals. 

Just look at every single response prior to Coffee's post.  Hope that helps.

Edited October 15, 2021 by homersapien

[Shoney'sPonyBoy 350]

6 hours ago, homersapien said:

No, not worse. 

But it certainly seemed the point was rape was the natural outcome from accommodating transexuals. 

Just look at every single response prior to Coffee's post.  Hope that helps.

This is the same (IMO deliberately disingenuous) liberal response about this issue parroted from the beginning.  I don't know anyone who objected to this bathroom/locker room nonsense because they were afraid of what would happen with transexuals/transgenders.  I'm sure there were some, but IME those were the fringe.

The obvious, self-evident consequence of doing this is that you now cannot stop sexual predators from stalking girls and women in bathrooms and showers.  All they have to do is put on a skirt and they must be given access, which is obviously what happened in this case.

So this is not about accommodating transsexuals/transgenders, it's about accommodating sexual predators.

And it's done upon the basis of catering to .058% of the population when other solutions are possible.  That's what people object to.

[homersapien 11,393]

2 hours ago, Shoney'sPonyBoy said:

This is the same (IMO deliberately disingenuous) liberal response about this issue parroted from the beginning.  I don't know anyone who objected to this bathroom/locker room nonsense because they were afraid of what would happen with transexuals/transgenders.  I'm sure there were some, but IME those were the fringe.

The obvious, self-evident consequence of doing this is that you now cannot stop sexual predators from stalking girls and women in bathrooms and showers.  All they have to do is put on a skirt and they must be given access, which is obviously what happened in this case.

So this is not about accommodating transsexuals/transgenders, it's about accommodating sexual predators.

And it's done upon the basis of catering to .058% of the population when other solutions are possible.  That's what people object to.

My post was factually correct. 

Grumps said he didn't understand my post and I was helping him out. The fact it triggered you is totally irrelevant to what I posted.

In fact, I said nothing that was provocative. You - on the other hand - just characterized transexuals as sexual predators, or at least providing cover for them, which only confirms my point.

What happened to that "honest debate" you have mentioned? 

Edited October 15, 2021 by homersapien

[I_M4_AU 7,874]

Democrats in the Virginia General Assembly voted for — and Governor Ralph Northam signed — a law allowing schools to refrain from reporting instances of sexual battery, stalking, violation of a protective order, and violent threats occurring on school property in 2020.

§ 22.1-279.3:1 of Virginia code had required that these, among a number of other major crimes, be reported to law enforcement if they occurred on campus. Democrats insisted that misdemeanors be extirpated from reporting requirements in House Bill 257, replacing the word “criminal” with “felony” in the code.

In a stunning exchange between legislators in the House of Delegates last year, Todd Gilbert, the Republican Leader in the body, asked Delegate Mike Mullen “did I hear correctly that you would not have to report sexual battery to law enforcement any longer if we accept these amendments?”

“I would answer the minority leader that he is not hard of hearing, and that he is asking me to repeat this over again even though he heard it the first time,” responded Mullen, the bill’s sponsor.

“Forgive me, Madam Speaker, ladies and gentlemen, for being shocked that the patron, a career prosecutor, would want to accept these amendments, and frankly would want to put you all in the position of voting to accept these amendments,” shot back Gilbert.

“So I apologize for my hard of hearing, but frankly I couldn’t believe my ears,” he added.

The contentious back-and-forth has taken on new relevance a year and a half later, after a bombshell story from the Daily Wire alleged that Loudoun County Public Schools sought to conceal the rape of a 15-year-old female student by a male student wearing a skirt in the girls’ bathroom. The facts of what happened next are disputed somewhat.

While the father of the victim claims that he was told upon his arrival at the school that everything pertaining to the incident would be handled “in house,” Loudoun County Public Schools released a statement that alleges that the “Loudoun County Sheriff’s Office was contacted within minute of receiving the initial report” on the day of the attack. For its part, the Sheriff’s Office says that “an LCSO School Resource Officer was notified by Stone Bridge High School staff of a possible sexual assault. A thorough investigation and evidentiary analysis was conducted over the course of several weeks by the Loudoun County Sheriff’s Office Special Victims Unit.”

Regardless of the facts of the immediate aftermath, though, school officials would have been legally bound to report the incident to law enforcement since it crossed over the line from the misdemeanor of sexual battery and into the felony of sexual assault. Battery involves forcible sexual touching through coercive means. Sexual battery turns into sexual assault legally in Virginia when it involves rape, sodomy, or another form of aggravated sexual battery.

That said, the school’s attempt to push through the scandal without alerting — and in fact while actively misinforming the public — in an effort to change school policy to allow biological males into female restrooms and locker rooms would have been made even easier had the culprit’s behavior not crossed the arbitrary line into sexual assault. At a school board meeting on transgender guidance held less than a month after the attack, Loudoun County Public Schools superintendent Scott Ziegler announced that “to my knowledge, we don’t have any record of assaults occurring in our restrooms.”

Had the crime been able to have been categorized as sexual battery, the school would still have needed to alert the parents of the victim and district administration, but not any outside authorities.

After the bill passed the General Assembly last year, Gilbert urged Governor Ralph Northam to veto it, arguing that “House Democrats today adopted a policy that will make our students, teachers, and school personnel significantly less safe.”

“Administrators should have some leeway over when to involve law enforcement in disciplinary problems — but instances of sexual battery, stalking, and threats and against teachers and staff are not ‘discipline problems.’ They are serious crimes with real problems that need to be investigated and prosecuted,” he asserted.

Jim Livingston, the president of the largest teachers’ union in the state, the Virginia Education Association, supported the legislation, holding that “it’s time we move away from a one-size-fits-all approach to reporting and tap into the experience and expertise of our front-line school principals.”

https://www.yahoo.com/news/virginia-democrats-voted-allow-schools-125752632.html

WTH are the Democrats in Virginia doing?  To the bolded part, this issue is NOT about transgender students using their new found access to bathrooms that do not align with their birth sex.  It is all about the school board covering up this incident so it would not affect their liberal agenda.  Basically, the end justifies the means.  This is disgusting considering the school should be a safe haven for our children.

The teachers’ union president, in 2020, supported the legislation because he thought a principal of a school knows enough about his/her students that they should be the determining expert on what a is crime?  This is why parents (domestic terrorists) are pushing back at school board meetings across the country.

It will be interesting to see the results of the Virginia Gubernatorial race.

[wdefromtx 3,159]

I think this thread just highlights one of the planks about the democrat platform. I was they would quit spending so much effort trying to cover up their pedophile ways cloaked under the guise of inclusion............

[Shoney'sPonyBoy 350]

3 hours ago, homersapien said:

My post was factually correct. 

Grumps said he didn't understand my post and I was helping him out. The fact it triggered you is totally irrelevant to what I posted.

In fact, I said nothing that was provocative. You - on the other hand - just characterized transexuals as sexual predators, or at least providing cover for them, which only confirms my point.

What happened to that "honest debate" you have mentioned? 

Honest debate has never been possible with someone who posts things like this:  "You - on the other hand - just characterized transexuals as sexual predators."

It takes two to have that sort of discussion.

Edited October 15, 2021 by Shoney'sPonyBoy

[DKW 86 7,431]

17 hours ago, Shoney'sPonyBoy said:

Honest debate has never been possible with someone who posts things like this:  "You - on the other hand - just characterized transexuals as sexual predators."

It takes two to have that sort of discussion.

Just SSDD around here...

[Shoney'sPonyBoy 350]

Just now, DKW 86 said:

Just SSDD around here...

With that guy, for sure.

[I_M4_AU 7,874]

An official elected to Loudoun County’s public school board announced Friday that she will resign. Board member Beth Barts faced a heated recall attempt by parent groups. 

Barts said in a post to Facebook Friday afternoon that she will resign effective Nov. 2. 

https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/northern-virginia/loudoun-school-board-member-to-resign-amid-recall-attempt/2832599/

If you don’t recall, Barts is the school board member that asked the Superintendent the loaded question about bathroom sex assaults.

Superintendent Scott Ziegler has apologized for “misinterpreting” the question.

Lastly, I want to speak to my comments at the June 22nd board meeting related to bathrooms.  Board Member Barts asked a question about discipline incidents in the bathrooms that I wrongly interpreted as incidents involving transgender and gender-fluid students. I did this because I was viewing the question in light of the general questions and debate around policy 8040 that was occurring at the time. Multiple board members asked questions about the process, the experiences of students, and plans for transgender students and bathroom use during that discussion. My mindset was in line with that subject. At another point in that conversation, Chair Sheridan asked a question specifically about incidents involving transgender students, and I responded in the same manner.  I regret that my comments were misleading and I apologize for the distress that error caused families.  I should have asked Board Member Barts clarifying questions to get to the root of her question, rather than assuming what she meant.  I will do better in the future.

https://www.lcps.org/site/default.aspx?PageType=3&DomainID=1&ModuleInstanceID=274904&ViewID=6446EE88-D30C-497E-9316-3F8874B3E108&RenderLoc=0&FlexDataID=416164&PageID=1

Barts seems to have fallen on her sword.  I hope the parents of Loudoun country follow through and get all the school board members replaced.

[homersapien 11,393]

On 10/15/2021 at 8:30 AM, Shoney'sPonyBoy said:

This is the same (IMO deliberately disingenuous) liberal response about this issue parroted from the beginning.....

 

You accusing someone of being deliberately disingenuous??!! 

Hell, that's your M.O.  And I am giving you the benefit of doubt.  The more generous interpretation is that you truly don't understand what is being clearly written.  I think you are smarter than that.  You are deliberately trying to lie about meaning and intent, aka being disingenuous. 

It's becoming increasingly tiresome.

 

[TitanTiger 20,499]

On 10/13/2021 at 8:57 AM, AU9377 said:

I don't see the validity in the term "gender fluid."  Someone can be sexually attracted to either gender, but they themselves are one gender or the other by default at birth.  Yes, I know there are extremely rare circumstances and all that...........

Gender fluid is cutesy new terminology to say, "We're just making this s*** up by the second now."