homersapien 11,373 Posted July 1, 2022 Share Posted July 1, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, TexasTiger said: It’s hard to ally with folks one thinks are too evil to coexist with. That’s the view driving this divide. Don’t assume we would get along as neighbors in this scenario, especially with the pending water crisis. It would be interesting to see how the different regions would compete for population (young people). Obama said the arc of history bends toward justice. One could just as easily say the arc of history bends toward liberalism (small L). But you are right concerning water and resources. Fodder for conflict. Edited July 1, 2022 by homersapien 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wdefromtx 3,159 Posted July 1, 2022 Share Posted July 1, 2022 3 hours ago, homersapien said: BS. You've got it exactly backwards. The left prefers individual authority (choice, gay marriage, etc.) while the right prefers authoritarian/institutional authority. Just look at what's happening. The right is is trying to reign in personal freedoms and restrict rights. I’d say this is partly correct. The left wants individual rights on a small handful of things which include choice, gay marriage, etc. The right on the other hand wants more individual freedoms except for a handful of things. Mostly tied back to some religious belief that they hid behind. Also, I find it funny that people fall for the thinking that overturning RvW was about less government involvement and states rights. All they did is put it where they could interfere with individual freedom from a state level. I do lean conservative on most things, but I feel like you don’t get to pick and choose where you want the government to intervene based on some religious value that not everyone has. To be honest I think some of Governor Abbot’s actions in the past year are going to haunt him. I know mainly conservatives that think he’s gone too far with some of his policies. But he might get re-elected if Beto is the challenger…he’s too extreme in the other direction. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoAU 1,600 Posted July 1, 2022 Share Posted July 1, 2022 5 hours ago, homersapien said: BS. You've got it exactly backwards. The left prefers individual authority (choice, gay marriage, etc.) while the right prefers authoritarian/institutional authority. Just look at what's happening. The right is is trying to reign in personal freedoms and restrict rights. I will absolutely credit the broader acceptance of homosexuality and gay marriage to the left. It’s something that should have happened long ago. Other than that, we’ll agree to disagree I guess. Take the SCOTUS decisions this week for example - almost all of them remove power from an overreaching federal government that attempts to rule through EOs, judicial activism and other end arounds as opposed to following the constitution and legislating as needed. Being authoritative usually doesn’t mean decentralizing power. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoAU 1,600 Posted July 1, 2022 Share Posted July 1, 2022 2 hours ago, wdefromtx said: I’d say this is partly correct. The left wants individual rights on a small handful of things which include choice, gay marriage, etc. The right on the other hand wants more individual freedoms except for a handful of things. Mostly tied back to some religious belief that they hid behind. Also, I find it funny that people fall for the thinking that overturning RvW was about less government involvement and states rights. All they did is put it where they could interfere with individual freedom from a state level. I do lean conservative on most things, but I feel like you don’t get to pick and choose where you want the government to intervene based on some religious value that not everyone has. To be honest I think some of Governor Abbot’s actions in the past year are going to haunt him. I know mainly conservatives that think he’s gone too far with some of his policies. But he might get re-elected if Beto is the challenger…he’s too extreme in the other direction. Interesting take, and I agree with most of your sentiments. I also see some areas where the far right is going too far, but forced to choose, the right is by far the lessor of 2 evils. I think Abbot is in an interesting spot with regards to the border, but that’s where I see him mostly involved. Are these the policies you are referring to, or is it other places? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wdefromtx 3,159 Posted July 1, 2022 Share Posted July 1, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, GoAU said: Interesting take, and I agree with most of your sentiments. I also see some areas where the far right is going too far, but forced to choose, the right is by far the lessor of 2 evils. I think Abbot is in an interesting spot with regards to the border, but that’s where I see him mostly involved. Are these the policies you are referring to, or is it other places? With Abbott it is mostly stuff that has involved schools, regarding the border...he's in a bad spot with how the federal government is leaving states out to dry. I don't think non border states realize how bad things are. But, I concur the right is by far the lessor of the two evils. Edited July 1, 2022 by wdefromtx 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitanTiger 20,482 Posted July 1, 2022 Share Posted July 1, 2022 Probably not. My family is all in Alabama so it wouldn’t make sense to move away unless things got really nuts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasTiger 12,865 Posted July 2, 2022 Share Posted July 2, 2022 5 hours ago, wdefromtx said: With Abbott it is mostly stuff that has involved schools, regarding the border...he's in a bad spot with how the federal government is leaving states out to dry. I don't think non border states realize how bad things are. But, I concur the right is by far the lessor of the two evils. And I think nonborder states tend to exaggerate the issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homersapien 11,373 Posted July 2, 2022 Share Posted July 2, 2022 5 hours ago, wdefromtx said: But, I concur the right is by far the lessor of the two evils. I could conceivably agree with that, but it depends on how you define the "right". The current "right" is on the high road to fascism. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DKW 86 7,423 Posted July 2, 2022 Author Share Posted July 2, 2022 11 hours ago, TitanTiger said: Probably not. My family is all in Alabama so it wouldn’t make sense to move away unless things got really nuts. I am afraid that it has already gone nutz. We just cant see it all at once from here. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DKW 86 7,423 Posted July 2, 2022 Author Share Posted July 2, 2022 (edited) RvW, 15 Weeks, Nationally and Democratically made law by Congress, not imposed by the Judiciary is what should have happened 50 years ago or more. Constitutionally, the Courts can only review law, they cannot create it. Alito and Ginsburg both said loudly that RvW was a Valid Decision that used bad logic. There is always a way to make things happen in DC. Make a deal, a political deal for these things. Act like Congress and the Senate and ******* legislate something. It is utterly hilarious that the people that have screamed about "Democracy and the Constitution" really act when we talk about all this. 1) trump and the magats assaulted "Democracy and the Constitution" on 06-JAN-21, AND THEY DID. And we are actually putting them behind bars at a too slow for me rate. 2) People want to physically nullify SCOTUS by trampling "Democracy and the Constitution" by packing SCOTUS. If you agree with this YAASF. The Red guys would just rush in and pack it back to their liking next time they are in power. And then there we go circling the drain, back and forth with never ending packing of the court....MONSTROUSLY BAD IDEA 3) End the filibuster, This is not Constitutional, but Senate Rules since 1806. Just remember that it has served the Democratic Party very well over the last 216 years. Ending it means that, AGAIN, when the Red Guys get in power you cant stop the stupid then. If you want to amend the Constitution, then AMEND THE CONSTITUTION. I can already tell you that any convention called to amend will be instantly declared "fake, bogus, rigged" by one side. OR, we could just hire some sane people to go into the legislature and DO THEIR ******* JOBS. Edited July 2, 2022 by DKW 86 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoAU 1,600 Posted July 2, 2022 Share Posted July 2, 2022 21 hours ago, TexasTiger said: And I think nonborder states tend to exaggerate the issue. Are you saying you think the “undocumented people” streaming across our border at record levels every single day is exaggerated??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasTiger 12,865 Posted July 2, 2022 Share Posted July 2, 2022 3 minutes ago, GoAU said: Are you saying you think the “undocumented people” streaming across our border at record levels every single day is exaggerated??? I’m saying the frantic behavior and tactics to address it are over the top. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoAU 1,600 Posted July 2, 2022 Share Posted July 2, 2022 19 minutes ago, TexasTiger said: I’m saying the frantic behavior and tactics to address it are over the top. Some of it might be, but do you agree that the federal government is completely disregarding their obligation to secure the border? I really believe the current administration’s approach is negligent at best and criminal at worst. Hopefully the mid term elections will drive some accountability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasTiger 12,865 Posted July 2, 2022 Share Posted July 2, 2022 4 minutes ago, GoAU said: Some of it might be, but do you agree that the federal government is completely disregarding their obligation to secure the border? I really believe the current administration’s approach is negligent at best and criminal at worst. Hopefully the mid term elections will drive some accountability. “Completing disregarding?” What would you like to see them do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoAU 1,600 Posted July 3, 2022 Share Posted July 3, 2022 1 hour ago, TexasTiger said: “Completing disregarding?” What would you like to see them do? Enforce the law. Secure the border. Deport those that cross illegally. Incentivize Mexico to keep the convoys out and do their part. Basically everything that was working the last administration, and then some. Having a “border czar” that actually visit is the border for more than a cursory photo op would be a start…. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasTiger 12,865 Posted July 3, 2022 Share Posted July 3, 2022 6 minutes ago, GoAU said: Enforce the law. Secure the border. Deport those that cross illegally. Incentivize Mexico to keep the convoys out and do their part. Basically everything that was working the last administration, and then some. Having a “border czar” that actually visit is the border for more than a cursory photo op would be a start…. Right. 🤣 https://www.cato.org/blog/trumps-border-policies-let-more-immigrants-sneak Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaturdayGT 719 Posted July 3, 2022 Share Posted July 3, 2022 On 7/1/2022 at 9:56 PM, homersapien said: I could conceivably agree with that, but it depends on how you define the "right". The current "right" is on the high road to fascism. I have ro wonder...If you had your way...complete power...or maybe not you, but somebody who could be in power who could reflect your views and disdain for those who disagree with you.....I dont think it would be a democracy you would favor really....I mean I dont see you reaching across the aisle much...lol.. So so what form of government would you have if it was all up to you?...how would you take care of the crazy conservatives? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoAU 1,600 Posted July 3, 2022 Share Posted July 3, 2022 12 hours ago, TexasTiger said: Right. 🤣 https://www.cato.org/blog/trumps-border-policies-let-more-immigrants-sneak OK, so I assume you're saying Biden is doing a swell job of enforcing the border then? Data disagrees with you. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-56255613 https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/southwest-land-border-encounters https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2021/11/09/whats-happening-at-the-u-s-mexico-border-in-7-charts/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
icanthearyou 4,462 Posted July 3, 2022 Share Posted July 3, 2022 1 hour ago, GoAU said: OK, so I assume you're saying Biden is doing a swell job of enforcing the border then? Data disagrees with you. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-56255613 https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/southwest-land-border-encounters https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2021/11/09/whats-happening-at-the-u-s-mexico-border-in-7-charts/ Information is meaningless and useless for those incapable of understanding it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasTiger 12,865 Posted July 3, 2022 Share Posted July 3, 2022 1 hour ago, GoAU said: OK, so I assume you're saying Biden is doing a swell job of enforcing the border then? Data disagrees with you. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-56255613 https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/southwest-land-border-encounters https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2021/11/09/whats-happening-at-the-u-s-mexico-border-in-7-charts/ Poor logic. I didn’t say that. I’m saying you’re wrong to say Trump did a swell job you want Biden to emulate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
icanthearyou 4,462 Posted July 3, 2022 Share Posted July 3, 2022 5 minutes ago, TexasTiger said: Poor logic. I didn’t say that. I’m saying you’re wrong to say Trump did a swell job you want Biden to emulate. No. It is not poor logic. It is just stupid. If you look at the definition of "encountrers", you could make the case that the Biden administration is doing a much better job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasTiger 12,865 Posted July 3, 2022 Share Posted July 3, 2022 1 minute ago, icanthearyou said: No. It is not poor logic. It is just stupid. If you look at the definition of "encountrers", you could make the case that the Biden administration is doing a much better job. Poor logic for him to deduce that’s what I’m saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DKW 86 7,423 Posted July 3, 2022 Author Share Posted July 3, 2022 Are yall saying that the BBC has bad numbers? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
icanthearyou 4,462 Posted July 3, 2022 Share Posted July 3, 2022 2 minutes ago, TexasTiger said: Poor logic for him to deduce that’s what I’m saying. 14 minutes ago, TexasTiger said: Data disagrees with you. Okay. But for this,,, stupid. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasTiger 12,865 Posted July 3, 2022 Share Posted July 3, 2022 13 minutes ago, DKW 86 said: Are yall saying that the BBC has bad numbers? Saying y’all ain’t reading it right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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