What Does It Matter Whether Obama or Clinton Wins

[LegalEagle 22]

finish their first term. We had better have some great security if either of them is elected. The Radical Conservatives would seek to kill Clinton. Conservative radical white hate groups would seek to kill Obama.

Hey. I hope nothing like this happens, but I really think it will.

Your thoughts?

[bigsixfive 328]

Wow. That's a discriminatory, judgemental remark if I've ever heard one.

[RunInRed 16,438]

One of the more ridiculous comments on this board in a while. For any President it's "dangerous" - there will always be some sect of people that dislike you and all it takes is one nut. You don't think there is people who don't like the current President? Any one in public life is putting themselves at risk to some extent - we live in a dangerous world and always have. But to suggest because Clinton is a woman or because Obama is an African American.....

Might want to rethink your premise and rethink spewing that kind of nonsense.

[DKW 86 7,431]

LE, in reading the results for Super Tuesday's exit poll data, it seems Southern White Males gave their support to Obama. I know it isnt ALL Southerners and Democrats at that, but I find that the "radical white" element tend to be almost all Yellow Dogs. (BTW, that idea comes via a long time successful Democratic candidate I developed a website for recently.) I mean, if you are going to be ignorant, why not be ignorant all the way?

I truly think alot of the country may be like myself. We arent for the Black, White, Male, Female, Conservative, Liberal, Democratic, or Repulican candidate anymore. I have had a real cathartic-view changing revelation in the last 2-3 years.

While being a real live Pro-Life, Social Liberal, Fiscal Conservative I cant find one candidate that comes close to being what I want. I tell you that I grew up in a Democrat household though. Jimmy Carter and his rampant incompetence made me a Republican. Bush 43 and his incompetence in dealing with spending and other issues (think Immigration) have made me an Independent.

Who will I vote for this November? Not a clue as yet. But I will tell you this, I will not vote for "More Inside the Beltway Insanity." If Barack Obama is the Dem candidate, he might just win in a landside because there are a lot like me that are fed completely up with the GOP. They dont do what they promise. They dont deliver on Conservative Ideals. If the Country Club wing wants to run things, then fine, let them have at it. But I, like many many more can still vote FOR Change in Washington even if we dont have anyone truly supporting our ideas.

And Change means someone outside the Beltway. At present that would mean Obama, Romney, and maybe Huckabee. In think that Huckabee wants the VP slot with McCain. So that effectively means Obama or Romney. Romney is trailing in the delegate count and is likely not going to win the nomination.

Therefore, you may see Obama get more and more of the disaffected Conservative vote. We, failing all else, may be voting for a general flushing of the Washington Elite this year. We do not like Clinton. The whole nation still has a Clinton Fatigue Hangover. Do we really need two families (Bushs and Clintons) in control of the White House for a possible cumulative 28 years? I dont think so.

So, my point is this, since McCain is the de facto Republican Choice, watch and see if there isnt a significant crossover going Obama's way for the rest of the campaign, including the General Election. The Disaffected Right are united on one thing, ABC: Anyone But Clinton.

[BamaGrad03 0]

This is nothing but a shot at Republicans. Democrats hate GWB more than they hate Osama Bin Laden, but no one has killed him. But OF COURSE the ignorant republicans in all their hate couldn't hold back an assasination attempt...it's a forgone conclusion

[AUTiger1 0]

One of the more ridiculous comments on this board in a while. For any President it's "dangerous" - there will always be some sect of people that dislike you and all it takes is one nut. You don't think there is people who don't like the current President? Any one in public life is putting themselves at risk to some extent - we live in a dangerous world and always have. But to suggest because Clinton is a woman or because Obama is an African American.....

Might want to rethink your premise and rethink spewing that kind of nonsense.

I agree, being President would be an extremely dangerous job. And to think it would be any more dangerous b/c you are a woman or b/c you are an African American is crazy.

Now to answer why does it matter if one of them win. When the first Clinton was in office he loathed the military and didn't respect it. He also cut military spending in half and gutted it. Since I for one and I am sure there are others on this board who work in military and NASA rich Huntsville, I don't want Clinton in office to cut the budget in half and put me out of a job. I also don't want someone in office that will cut the budget in half and leave my friends and family that happen to serve this great country of ours without the proper protection they need in the battlefield. She is also in mind a socialist who would love to tax the rich to death and give that money to gov't give away programs to the poor. Now the poor do need help. But when I say poor I mean those who are actually working a couple of jobs just to make ends meet and sometimes can't even do that, not the ones who are living on my dime b/c they are too sorry to work. But always remember this "A poor man never gave a rich man a job". I am not rich by any means. My wife is a teacher and I am a Systems Administrator (UNIX Geek) for an army contract so I am not knocking down the big bucks either. Oh and free health care, give me a break, 21 million or how many ever illegals there are get free health care as it is and no walk in clinic or hospital can refuse to give you service weather you can pay or not. So it pretty much seems to me that you can get free health care to an extent. And yes once again all this is on my dime. But that is why it matter to me that she not get elected.

Obama is not very fond of the military either, I don't know of a liberal that does. He also wants to tax the upper crust. But the upper crust according to the IRS, (don't have the link in front of me) I saw it on a news show and didn't write it down....anywho, the upper crust are those house holds that make $120K or more a year. Now that is a good salary, and if you break it down between two people that is $60K a piece per year. Not bad money in Alabama, that would be terrible money in NY or CA, but the upper crust pays a little over 60% (63%, I think)of the entire tax burden of this country. So I would say they pay their fair share, but people want believe that b/c of what people like Obama and the media say. They would have you to believe that the "working man" pays the tax burden. Plus Obama has the most liberal voting record between him and Clinton in the Senate. So no, I will not vote for him either.

I don't really like McCain and I think that he is way to liberal to be called a conservative and if I would have had to vote for him in primary b/c he was the best choice, I would have puked at the polls. But given the choice between him and one of the other two, I will vote him. Just my two cents worth, and you asked me why it mattered and I told you my opinion, take it how you want it.

[Tigermike 3,039]

finish their first term. We had better have some great security if either of them is elected. The Radical Conservatives would seek to kill Clinton. Conservative radical white hate groups would seek to kill Obama.

Hey. I hope nothing like this happens, but I really think it will.

Your thoughts?

The far left has been floating this fear mongering question for some time now. Like they did the "draft" not long after 9/11. Our long time members on this board remember the imminent draft don't they?

But to answer your question.

Sorry, Lefty, but there will be no assassinations and no martyrs.

The American left has several irrational beliefs - well, irrational today - that are grounded in their cultural memories of the 1960s. There is of course the notion that the real enemy of America is White Militias (never mind that it was a committed communist who murdered their Saint John of Hyannisport, and a committed Palestinian savage who murdered Saint John’s brother), and then there is the notion that all their heros - from MLK to JFK to Che - will be murdered by “the man.” Finally, there is their deepseated conviction that America is racist to the bone, that there has been no improvement in the nearly fifty years since Dr. King began his crusade for the sort of equality that bears no resemblance to the affirmative action swamp we actually ended up in.

But the reality of today is far different than half-century old New Left fantasies. America is a far less racist place than it was then. An entire generation - the Greatest Generation - that was in charge when the New Left first rose is today dead and buried. The old anti-black passions simply aren’t there any more. Nor are the “white militias” (always overblown, today non-existent in any sense of real power) that were supposed to express this racism in acts of violence. And finally, in today’s threat-rich environment, the capabilities of those who protect a President are by an order of magnitude, at least, more effective.

So, the somewhat longer answer: Neither the sort of virulent racism America once knew, nor those capable of expressing it effectively in violent acts still exist, and even if they did, it wouldn’t be able to crack a president’s protective shield.

No, Obama won’t be assassinated.

Will Barack Obama Be Assassinated?

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Barack Obama, RFK, and Blackwater

Joseph A. Palermo

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Would Barack Obama be at a greater risk of an assination attempt if elected President?

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Who's Afraid for Obama?

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[TitanTiger 20,499]

You know, I had the same feeling when Clinton was first elected back in 1992, and despite my disagreements with him and his positions, I prayed for his safety.

I think it's not out of the realm of thought, but to pin this on radical conservative groups is disingenuous. I don't think anyone could be more hated than Bush is right now by his enemies, including radical Islamicists. If they haven't gotten him by now, I think Obama or Clinton will likely be just fine.

[RunInRed 16,438]

One of the more ridiculous comments on this board in a while. For any President it's "dangerous" - there will always be some sect of people that dislike you and all it takes is one nut. You don't think there is people who don't like the current President? Any one in public life is putting themselves at risk to some extent - we live in a dangerous world and always have. But to suggest because Clinton is a woman or because Obama is an African American.....

Might want to rethink your premise and rethink spewing that kind of nonsense.

Obama is not very fond of the military either, I don't know of a liberal that does. He also wants to tax the upper crust. But the upper crust according to the IRS, (don't have the link in front of me) I saw it on a news show and didn't write it down....anywho, the upper crust are those house holds that make $120K or more a year. Now that is a good salary, and if you break it down between two people that is $60K a piece per year. Not bad money in Alabama, that would be terrible money in NY or CA, but the upper crust pays a little over 60% (63%, I think)of the entire tax burden of this country. So I would say they pay their fair share, but people want believe that b/c of what people like Obama and the media say. They would have you to believe that the "working man" pays the tax burden. Plus Obama has the most liberal voting record between him and Clinton in the Senate. So no, I will not vote for him either.

What's with dumb commments on this thread today? Obama doesn't like the military now? Come on guys...I know some of you hate any Democrat but please stop this kind of crap.

http://www.barackobama.com/issues/foreignp...entury-military

Building a 21st Century Military

The Problem: The excellence of our military is unmatched. But as a result of a misguided war in Iraq, our forces are under pressure as never before. Obama will make the investments we need so that the finest military in the world is best-prepared to meet 21st-century threats.

Rebuild Trust: Obama will rebuild trust with those who serve by ensuring that soldiers and Marines have sufficient training time before they are sent into battle.

Expand the Military: We have learned from Iraq that our military needs more men and women in uniform to reduce the strain on our active force. Obama will increase the size of ground forces, adding 65,000 soldiers to the Army and 27,000 Marines.

New Capabilities: Obama will give our troops new equipment, armor, training, and skills like language training. He will also strengthen our civilian capacity, so that our civilian agencies have the critical skills and equipment they need to integrate their efforts with our military.

Strengthen Guard and Reserve: Obama will restore the readiness of the National Guard and Reserves. He will permit them adequate time to train and rest between deployments, and provide the National Guard with the equipment they need for foreign and domestic emergencies. He will also give the Guard a seat at the table by making the Chief of the National Guard a member of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.

Now I know I'm a little biased when it comes to Obama but this hardly sounds like he is "not fond" and wants to decrease the military to me.

[LegalEagle 22]

I guess you guys don't deal with as many nut cases as I do. I believe my post is completely rational, and it was not intended for or against any party. In fact, I believe you would have to be naive to think that somewhere in this country, someone has not already considered assassination of both Obama and Clinton.

I hope and pray such does not happen.

[otterinbham 0]

I guess you guys don't deal with as many nut cases as I do. I believe my post is completely rational, and it was not intended for or against any party. In fact, I believe you would have to be naive to think that somewhere in this country, someone has not already considered assassination of both Obama and Clinton.

I hope and pray such does not happen.

Well, since you work with words and their meaning on a daily basis, you should really go back and reconsider how you worded the first post. I have heard as much extremist insanity directed at George W. Bush as I have seen seen slung at Hillary Clinton. To be perfectly frank, I've been rather gratified at how little nonsensical quasi-racist stuff has been chunked at Obama by conservatives. The Democrats are the ones who have played that game so far. Remember that the last three assassination attempts in this country have been those with liberal tendencies taking pot shots at Republican presidents. So it's not exactly as if the GOP has the lock on crazies.

[AUloggerhead 2,241]

finish their first term. We had better have some great security if either of them is elected. The Radical Conservatives would seek to kill Clinton. Conservative radical white hate groups would seek to kill Obama.

Hey. I hope nothing like this happens, but I really think it will.

Your thoughts?

Just for clarification ... can you name any "conservative radical" white hate groups, and do they differ from the liberal radical ones? Or, are they in the same league as the mainstream radical white hate groups?

[jw 4 au 526]

I guess you guys don't deal with as many nut cases as I do. I believe my post is completely rational, and it was not intended for or against any party. In fact, I believe you would have to be naive to think that somewhere in this country, someone has not already considered assassination of both Obama and Clinton.

I hope and pray such does not happen.

That's why we have the Secret Service. They will prepare the same for the next president (McCain, Billary or Obama) as they have for every past president and the current one.

[BamaGrad03 0]

I guess you guys don't deal with as many nut cases as I do. I believe my post is completely rational, and it was not intended for or against any party. In fact, I believe you would have to be naive to think that somewhere in this country, someone has not already considered assassination of both Obama and Clinton.

I hope and pray such does not happen.

So why is it more likely that a radical conservative group would assisinate Obama/Clinton than a radical liberal group would assasinate Bush? Again, I think this is a passive aggressive stab at conservatives.

When Bush was re-elected amidst the greatest amount of hatred I've ever seen towards a president in my lifetime, why where you not giving your prayers on this board for the safety of GWB?

[LegalEagle 22]

I guess you guys don't deal with as many nut cases as I do. I believe my post is completely rational, and it was not intended for or against any party. In fact, I believe you would have to be naive to think that somewhere in this country, someone has not already considered assassination of both Obama and Clinton.

I hope and pray such does not happen.

So why is it more likely that a radical conservative group would assisinate Obama/Clinton than a radical liberal group would assasinate Bush? Again, I think this is a passive aggressive stab at conservatives.

When Bush was re-elected amidst the greatest amount of hatred I've ever seen towards a president in my lifetime, why where you not giving your prayers on this board for the safety of GWB?

He's not black or Hillary. Besides, who would think he's worth the price of a bullet?

And in response to one query above - mainstream radical conservative hate groups.

Example in another context:

Conservative - build a double wall and stop illegal immigration

Radical Conservative - while we are building a wall, gun 'em down and make a wall out of their stinkin' beaner bodies! [Note - I apologize to all the good "beaners" out there. I'm just making an example.]

I'm just telling you what I think will happen. Please don't refuse to vote for Hillary or Barack because you want to protect their health.

The only way to know whether I'm right is to elect one of them. VOTE!

[CCTAU 3,334]

Example in another context:

Conservative - build a double wall and stop illegal immigration

Radical Conservative - while we are building a wall, gun 'em down and make a wall out of their stinkin' beaner bodies! [Note - I apologize to all the good "beaners" out there. I'm just making an example.]

They are not beaners. They are invaders. And any time a group of people from another country invades yours, shouldn't you shoo to kill? People like you never want to take a hard stance against anything worthwhile. Killing invaders form the south is not the same as assassinating a sitting president.

And anyone who calls themselves a conservative and votes for any DAMN dimocrat, should have their hearts cut out for letting your feelings for "change" put my family and country in danger from terrorism. Because either dim candidate will just propose to "TALK" with the terrorist. Who will in turn see that as a weakness and continue to use it as an opportunity to attack my country. Not only that, but WE KNOW dims will raise taxes. Can we not at least give McCain a chance to prove that he's able to be fiscally responsible? I'm not a super huge fan of his either, but he's has shown a propensity to change on issues if the American people want it and its the right thing to do. Look at this stance on the Bush tax cuts and the beaner situation. He realizes that the American people want something different than what he thought they did. But now he sees differently. But to vote for a dim just for change. Hell, just call yourself a dimocrat and quit fooling everybody. Because osama Obama preaches NOTHING but change. Only problem is, we have no idea what he wants to change.

[TexasTiger 12,961]

And anyone who calls themselves a conservative and votes for any DAMN dimocrat, should have their hearts cut out for letting your feelings for "change" put my family and country in danger from terrorism.

I hope you're on an FBI watch list.

[TexasTiger 12,961]

Actually, the way Rush, Laura and Glenn Beck are talking, I worry about McCain if he's elected--- from the wacky Right!

[MDM4AU 332]

Actually, the way Rush, Laura and Glenn Beck are talking, I worry about McCain if he's elected--- from the wacky Right!

I honestly haven't been listening... Beck's had guest hosts the last couple of times I tuned in. What has he said?

[autigeremt 6,652]

Actually, the way Rush, Laura and Glenn Beck are talking, I worry about McCain if he's elected--- from the wacky Right!

I know.....I can't understand why it's so wrong for someone to think on his own instead of lock-step mindsets.

[TexasTiger 12,961]

Actually, the way Rush, Laura and Glenn Beck are talking, I worry about McCain if he's elected--- from the wacky Right!

I honestly haven't been listening... Beck's had guest hosts the last couple of times I tuned in. What has he said?

Both Threshold and Regnery have published books by McCain critics. Beck has called him "more dangerous even than Hillary Clinton."

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5jHurc83...uR8CQgD8ULMALO0

Which brings us back to John McCain. Even though the nomination is McCain’s to lose, that doesn’t mean he’s out of the woods yet. His biggest problem right now is the right-wing nutjobs with radio shows who despise him. These ultra-conservatives say McCain is not conservative enough. Some, such as Ann Coulter, Sean Hannity and Laura Ingraham, claim that they will actively support Hillary Clinton over McCain. CNN’s Glenn Beck said that he’d vote for Hillary over McCain. Rush Limbaugh himself has been helping to lead the crusade against McCain.

http://www.emorywheel.com/detail.php?n=25012

[DKW 86 7,431]

Example in another context:

Conservative - build a double wall and stop illegal immigration

Radical Conservative - while we are building a wall, gun 'em down and make a wall out of their stinkin' beaner bodies! [Note - I apologize to all the good "beaners" out there. I'm just making an example.]

They are not beaners. They are invaders. And any time a group of people from another country invades yours, shouldn't you shoo to kill? People like you never want to take a hard stance against anything worthwhile. Killing invaders form the south is not the same as assassinating a sitting president.

And anyone who calls themselves a conservative and votes for any DAMN dimocrat, should have their hearts cut out for letting your feelings for "change" put my family and country in danger from terrorism. Because either dim candidate will just propose to "TALK" with the terrorist. Who will in turn see that as a weakness and continue to use it as an opportunity to attack my country. Not only that, but WE KNOW dims will raise taxes. Can we not at least give McCain a chance to prove that he's able to be fiscally responsible? I'm not a super huge fan of his either, but he's has shown a propensity to change on issues if the American people want it and its the right thing to do. Look at this stance on the Bush tax cuts and the beaner situation. He realizes that the American people want something different than what he thought they did. But now he sees differently. But to vote for a dim just for change. Hell, just call yourself a dimocrat and quit fooling everybody. Because osama Obama preaches NOTHING but change. Only problem is, we have no idea what he wants to change.

Bro, McCain has been in the Senate for 22+ years, we know what he is. He is getting more like the Dems everyday. He has proposed raising taxes and opposed Bush's tax cuts. He gets in, they are gone. He gave away free speech with McCain-Feingold. He is totally against enforcing immigration laws, forget the wall. He does beat Hillary in credibility, no doubt.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_McCain

[MDM4AU 332]

Actually, the way Rush, Laura and Glenn Beck are talking, I worry about McCain if he's elected--- from the wacky Right!

I honestly haven't been listening... Beck's had guest hosts the last couple of times I tuned in. What has he said?

Both Threshold and Regnery have published books by McCain critics. Beck has called him "more dangerous even than Hillary Clinton."

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5jHurc83...uR8CQgD8ULMALO0

Which brings us back to John McCain. Even though the nomination is McCain’s to lose, that doesn’t mean he’s out of the woods yet. His biggest problem right now is the right-wing nutjobs with radio shows who despise him. These ultra-conservatives say McCain is not conservative enough. Some, such as Ann Coulter, Sean Hannity and Laura Ingraham, claim that they will actively support Hillary Clinton over McCain. CNN’s Glenn Beck said that he’d vote for Hillary over McCain. Rush Limbaugh himself has been helping to lead the crusade against McCain.

http://www.emorywheel.com/detail.php?n=25012

Wow. Scarry stuff.

BTW, how does someone stumble across Emory's Student Newspaper?

[TexasTiger 12,961]

Actually, the way Rush, Laura and Glenn Beck are talking, I worry about McCain if he's elected--- from the wacky Right!

I honestly haven't been listening... Beck's had guest hosts the last couple of times I tuned in. What has he said?

Both Threshold and Regnery have published books by McCain critics. Beck has called him "more dangerous even than Hillary Clinton."

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5jHurc83...uR8CQgD8ULMALO0

Which brings us back to John McCain. Even though the nomination is McCain’s to lose, that doesn’t mean he’s out of the woods yet. His biggest problem right now is the right-wing nutjobs with radio shows who despise him. These ultra-conservatives say McCain is not conservative enough. Some, such as Ann Coulter, Sean Hannity and Laura Ingraham, claim that they will actively support Hillary Clinton over McCain. CNN’s Glenn Beck said that he’d vote for Hillary over McCain. Rush Limbaugh himself has been helping to lead the crusade against McCain.

http://www.emorywheel.com/detail.php?n=25012

Wow. Scarry stuff.

BTW, how does someone stumble across Emory's Student Newspaper?

Google. I had seen Beck on some other show talking about it.

[MDM4AU 332]

Actually, the way Rush, Laura and Glenn Beck are talking, I worry about McCain if he's elected--- from the wacky Right!

I honestly haven't been listening... Beck's had guest hosts the last couple of times I tuned in. What has he said?

Both Threshold and Regnery have published books by McCain critics. Beck has called him "more dangerous even than Hillary Clinton."

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5jHurc83...uR8CQgD8ULMALO0

Which brings us back to John McCain. Even though the nomination is McCain’s to lose, that doesn’t mean he’s out of the woods yet. His biggest problem right now is the right-wing nutjobs with radio shows who despise him. These ultra-conservatives say McCain is not conservative enough. Some, such as Ann Coulter, Sean Hannity and Laura Ingraham, claim that they will actively support Hillary Clinton over McCain. CNN’s Glenn Beck said that he’d vote for Hillary over McCain. Rush Limbaugh himself has been helping to lead the crusade against McCain.

http://www.emorywheel.com/detail.php?n=25012

Wow. Scarry stuff.

BTW, how does someone stumble across Emory's Student Newspaper?

Google. I had seen Beck on some other show talking about it.

I know he is not a big fan of McCain. McCain-Feingold, McCain-Kennedy, his flopping on the tax cuts (something Beck is obvious a fan of) and I think maybe his stance on the border are issues that Beck and McCain are at odds about among others. I don't understand voting for Hillary over McCain, though.