Dems don't like the draft for the military but

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Does this bother anyone else?

Forced servitude in America?

The U.S. already has high rates of volunteerism, but that's apparently not good enough for our presidential candidates.

July 8, 2008

There's a weird irony at work when Sen. Barack Obama, the black presidential candidate who will allegedly scrub the stain of racism from the nation, vows to run afoul of the constitutional amendment that abolished slavery.

For those who don't remember, the 13th Amendment says: "Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime ... shall exist within the United States."

I guess in Obama's mind it must be a crime to be born or to go to college.

In his speech on national service Wednesday at the University of Colorado, Obama promised that as president he would "set a goal for all American middle and high school students to perform 50 hours of service a year, and for all college students to perform 100 hours of service a year."

He would see that these goals are met by, among other things, attaching strings to federal education dollars. If you don't make the kids report for duty, he's essentially telling schools and college kids, you'll lose money you can't afford to lose. In short, he'll make service compulsory by merely compelling schools to make it compulsory.

It's funny that, when the right seeks to use the government to impose its values, the left screams about brainwashing and propaganda. When the left tries it, the right thunders about social engineering. But when left and right agree -- as seems to be the case on national service -- who's left to complain? As ever, the slipperiest slopes are greased with the snake oil of "bipartisanship."

After all, Obama's hardly alone. Sen. John McCain is a passionate supporter of Washington-led (and paid-for) "volunteerism," as is President Bush. Sen. Christopher J. Dodd (D-Conn.) and John Edwards both campaigned for the presidency on compulsory national service.

Perhaps thanks to the JFK cult, which sees the refrain "Ask not what your country can do for you ..." as an all-purpose writ for social meddling, even the idealistic hipster crowd is on board. Devotees of Rolling Stone and MTV, who normally preen like cats in a pool of sunshine over their alleged libertarianism when the issue is sex, drugs and rock 'n' roll, see nothing wrong, and everything right, with involuntary servitude -- as long as we just call it "voluntary."

Volunteerism is good. But why does every good thing need to be orchestrated by government? Most people think that churchgoing is a good thing. Does that mean the government should fund churches? That's what they do in Europe and -- surprise! -- most pews sit empty.

Americans are vastly more generous with their time and their money than Europeans. According to social demographer Arthur C. Brooks, in 1995 (the last year international comparative data on giving was available), Americans gave 3 1/2 times as much money to charities and causes as the French, seven times more than the Germans and 14 times more than the Italians.

In 1998, Americans also volunteered 21% more than the Swiss and 32% more than Germans -- two countries with compulsory national service. And yet we're continually told we should emulate them so that America too can have a "culture of service."

But we already have a healthier culture of service without -- as Obama would do -- doubling the size of the Peace Corps or pushing another 250,000 into AmeriCorps.

Indeed, there's ample evidence that countries with intrusive and expensive welfare states stifle their citizens' spirit of charity and volunteerism precisely because people conclude that every problem should be solved by government. Merely paying your taxes substitutes for charity, and cleaning up roadside litter for two years absolves you from doing anything more.

Time magazine's Richard Stengel speaks for many who insist that American government must consecrate everything. "The reason private volunteerism is so high is precisely that confidence in our public institutions is so low," he wrote last year in praise of universal national service. "People see volunteering not as a form of public service but as an antidote for it."

Really? I would have thought that the world's most charitable and voluntaristic nation -- one with a tradition of service that predates the decline of confidence in public institutions by generations -- might see volunteering as a good in and of itself.

This is the real problem with national service mania: It seeks to fix what ain't broke. No, national service isn't slavery. But it contributes to a slave mentality, at odds with American tradition. It assumes that work not done for the government isn't really for the "common good."

"The central conservative truth is that it is culture, not politics, that determines the success of a society," Daniel Patrick Moynihan famously observed. "The central liberal truth is that politics can change a culture and save it from itself."

Moynihan was right, of course. But politics can change a culture for the worse too. Indoctrinating an entire generation with the idea that public service is something you do at the government's behest would not only steamroll the culture, it would help fewer people in the process.

http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-...0,368008.column

It is one thing to encourage service. It is quite another to make it "compulsory". When it becomes compulsory, it is no longer service, it is a form of servitude. No matter how benign, when participation is mandated and rewards are withheld if requirements of the mandate aren't fulfilled, it becomes a form of tyranny.

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Apparently, the guy missed this part of the speech. This is even more outrageous.

"We cannot continue to rely only on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives that we've set," he said Wednesday. "We've got to have a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well funded."

So what can a civilian national security force with a half-trillion dollar budget do? I can't even fathom what in the heck he's thinking. Wouldn't this be the local police department, or the FBI? What about the border militias? Or is he going to force people to join an unorganized, makeshift National Guard? Whatever the case, the one thing I'm certain of is I'm a non-progressive, redneck, racist, God-fearing, gun toting Republican, and the blame is all on me for thinking this is a beyond stupid statement and idea.

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Maybe this guy will head it up.

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And I thought it was Bush that was eroding all of our freedoms and turning us into a police state?

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What the hell? It's not his place to MAKE people do community service. This is insane.

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We've already got a million criminals sitting in jail watching cable TV that could be doing my part. I do help out with charities and civic organizations, but I do them at my own personal time.

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Doesn't Israel have manditory military service?

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Doesn't Israel have manditory military service?

And that has what to do with the article again?

[arnaldoabru 11]

Doesn't Israel have manditory military service?

And that has what to do with the article again?

"Ask not what your country can do for you...."

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Doesn't Israel have manditory military service?

And that has what to do with the article again?

"Ask not what your country can do for you...."

"Don't even ask, we will tell you all you need to know." "We will tell you where, when and how, your job is to obey." Obama