keesler 5,924 Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 Isn't Alabama a NIKE School? Just sayin'. Over 95% of NCAA programs are Nike schools, so what? What does Alabama's Nike contract have to do with Auburn's UA contract? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cole256 17,050 Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 Alabama signed most of the state's top talent as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cole256 17,050 Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 I'm still waiting on who is the nation's top under armour recruiting school? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keesler 5,924 Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 Auburn Basketball has two options from this point forward. Saddle another coach with Under Armour and see if he can produce better results than the last two coaches under the same brand. Or pull the contract, flip to Nike and see if the new coach can make some in-roads and build relationships with the Nike AAU coaches and their elite players. AU has spent well over $100 million on AU basketball recently and the return on their investment is pathetic today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitanTiger 20,472 Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 Alabama signed most of the state's top talent as well. That isn't saying much. Not like Alabama's been kickin' ass lately either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUB1974 2 Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 Someone recently posted the records of UA BB teams by conference. It was pretty pathetic with AU and SC being on 2 SEC BB schools with UA. Can someone repost that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitanTiger 20,472 Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 I'm still waiting on who is the nation's top under armour recruiting school? There isn't one. Here's your Under Armour basketball school line up: Auburn Texas Tech South Carolina Boston College South Florida Temple Maryland The only one in that group with a shot at making the NCAA tourney, barring a miracle run through their conference tournament is Maryland. And Maryland is a school with some history of basketball success in the fairly recent past. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weegle777 78 Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 Alabama signed most of the state's top talent as well. That isn't saying much. Not like Alabama's been kickin' ass lately either. Don't tell the resident basketball expert that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sully to Beasley 643 Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 @AllenPayne2_: I can say this now... We'll struggle as long as we are under Under Armour. Interesting that a player (former now) would say this. Do shoes and jerseys preclude a team from getting any better over the course of a season? As far as I know, a pair of shoes never made a free throw or missed a wide open shot. Just sayin'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metafour 4,969 Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 Over 95% of NCAA programs are Nike schools, so what? So why would any elite "Nike Kid" sign with Auburn over one of those MANY other schools which make up the 95% if we were to switch? Because we have a shiny new arena? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JwgreDeux 1,279 Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 Just for what it is worth, the national championship game last year was between Michigan and Louisville, neither is a nike school. They are adidas though, and adidas is on par with Nike as the two major players in AAU sponsorship land. You guys can be stubborn. Under Armour = no clout in AAU recruiting = huge obstacle in getting best players. Our Basketball program can be under a different sponsorship than football. To me it's a no brainier to switch. If your argument is shoes don't matter and it's not the reason we aren't good, then I'm sorry but you are wrong. +1When a program is willing to spend millions upon millions on a sport why not remove a huge obsticle that puts your program at an immediate disadvantage from recruiting the best players and getting access to their AAU coaches? Adidas is no where near Nike's level of sponsorship or market share. Like I said earlier, the AAU connections do have an effect on recruiting, but it is NOT the CAUSE of AU's current struggle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitanTiger 20,472 Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 Over 95% of NCAA programs are Nike schools, so what? So why would any elite "Nike Kid" sign with Auburn over one of those MANY other schools which make up the 95% if we were to switch? Because we have a shiny new arena? We don't necessarily need elite kids. We need to get our share of the next tier down. We aren't going to be in the running for one of the top 50 players, but we can be in the running for kids in the top 300 or top 500. We aren't even getting those kids right now. And it's not that a kid is considering us vs a Nike school and chooses them over the brand issue. It's that the kids in that pool largely don't even consider non-Nike schools at all. I mean, right now, we're being regularly outrecruited by UAB. UAB by coincidence (or not) is a Nike school. But UAB is not a place that's all that impressive a place to go play and they're not in a desirable conference. Moving to Nike by itself is not a panacea. But it is a huge obstacle to success at Auburn, which has it's own inherent obstacles to basketball success without continuing to embrace artificial ones like this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metafour 4,969 Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 If Under Armour can't get you access to the AAU coaches and his players, then your program is at a recruiting disadvantage. Nike is the King of AAU basketball - why have a contract with an inferior product that also puts you in an immediate recruiting disadvantage? We have a contract with Under Armour because Auburn is and always will be a football school. Under Armour pays us an extremely competitive amount of money to secure our apparel deal. We make a lot of money off Under Armour. If the money made sense we'd be with Nike, but that isn't the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keesler 5,924 Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 Over 95% of NCAA programs are Nike schools, so what? So why would any elite "Nike Kid" sign with Auburn over one of those MANY other schools which make up the 95% if we were to switch? Because we have a shiny new arena? Because with a Nike brand, AU gets access to the AAU coaches and can sell AU basketball and the school to those recruits. The AAU coaches make big bucks from Nike - they also hold the keys to the kids and can allow or deny access to those players if they choose. The shiny new Arena is a great selling point, the AU fan support (when it exists) is a great selling point, the campus, the town, the quality of academics are all great selling points. But the coach has to get the ear of the player and to do that you gotta go through his AAU (Nike paid) coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitanTiger 20,472 Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 If Under Armour can't get you access to the AAU coaches and his players, then your program is at a recruiting disadvantage. Nike is the King of AAU basketball - why have a contract with an inferior product that also puts you in an immediate recruiting disadvantage? We have a contract with Under Armour because Auburn is and always will be a football school. Under Armour pays us an extremely competitive amount of money to secure our apparel deal. We make a lot of money off Under Armour. If the money made sense we'd be with Nike, but that isn't the case. From what I understand, we do have the ability to modify the contract at this juncture to pull basketball out of the deal and remain UA for all other sports. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUIH1 1,515 Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 We need a coach that is able to recruit less talented players, retain them and develop them over the course of 3-4 years. Barbee clearly could not do that. It is a FACT that us not being a Nike school hurts us in recruiting in terms of basketball. It is also a FACT that a if a smart hire is made (understanding our limitations in terms of basketball) we can be much more competitive on the court than we have under Lebo and Barbee. We have NEVER been close to being a consistent NCAA Tourney team so the odds of us becoming that with this next hire are low. Billy Donovans (a great coach building a basketball powerhouse at a football factory) are very, very rare. Hopefully, Jay Jacobs will use a colorblind committee that will help him make a solid hire. wde Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUIH1 1,515 Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 If Under Armour can't get you access to the AAU coaches and his players, then your program is at a recruiting disadvantage. Nike is the King of AAU basketball - why have a contract with an inferior product that also puts you in an immediate recruiting disadvantage? We have a contract with Under Armour because Auburn is and always will be a football school. Under Armour pays us an extremely competitive amount of money to secure our apparel deal. We make a lot of money off Under Armour. If the money made sense we'd be with Nike, but that isn't the case. From what I understand, we do have the ability to modify the contract at this juncture to pull basketball out of the deal and remain UA for all other sports. If that is truly the case, then it is no brainer that we should go Nike in terms of basketball. wde Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keesler 5,924 Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 Over 95% of NCAA programs are Nike schools, so what? So why would any elite "Nike Kid" sign with Auburn over one of those MANY other schools which make up the 95% if we were to switch? Because we have a shiny new arena? We don't necessarily need elite kids. We need to get our share of the next tier down. We aren't going to be in the running for one of the top 50 players, but we can be in the running for kids in the top 300 or top 500. We aren't even getting those kids right now. And it's not that a kid is considering us vs a Nike school and chooses them over the brand issue. It's that the kids in that pool largely don't even consider non-Nike schools at all. I mean, right now, we're being regularly outrecruited by UAB. UAB by coincidence (or not) is a Nike school. But UAB is not a place that's all that impressive a place to go play and they're not in a desirable conference. Moving to Nike by itself is not a panacea. But it is a huge obstacle to success at Auburn, which has it's own inherent obstacles to basketball success without continuing to embrace artificial ones like this. I believe when people come to the realization that the decision is not up to the kids in this case. These AAU coaches have huge and far reaching control of what programs are allowed to get access to their players. This 2nd tier of athletes are controlled just as much by these coaches as the top 50 athletes that are going to the big basketball schools.It's an obstacle and if the next AU coach comes in and thinks (like Barbee) that he can take AU to championships with that obstacle in place, then more power to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
au_bsci_04 407 Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 Alabama signed most of the state's top talent as well. That isn't saying much. Not like Alabama's been kickin' ass lately either. But they have the ability to. Bama biggest hurdle is style of play. Grant plays too slow for the talent he has. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dual-Threat Rigby 8,662 Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 Hire CBP AND Coach Person Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AubTiger14 0 Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 Somebody give one good reason why our basketball program should be Under Armour over Nike? Saying that we can still recruit enough players to win with good coaching is not a reason. That's still acknowledging that being Under Armour is, in some degree, an obstacle that our basketball team has to overcome, and our program has to be near perfect in all other aspect to be a winner. Why have that obstacle there when it doesn't have to be? We can stick with Under Armour in other sports and Basketball can do its own thing, i.e. switch to Nike. And even if Under Armour brings in more sponsorship money than Nike would, Nike would give us a better chance of improving our team. An improved team that's competitive = more tickets sold and so on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUIH1 1,515 Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 Hire CBP AND Coach Person A much better option would be Bruce Pearl and keep Ryan Miller. Not likely going to happen mainly because it is highly unlikely that Bruce Pearl is even offered much less accepts. wde Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
au_bsci_04 407 Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 Hire CBP AND Coach Person A much better option would be Bruce Pearl and keep Ryan Miller. Not likely going to happen mainly because it is highly unlikely that Bruce Pearl is even offered much less accepts. wde Keep Ryan and hire Mike, he's retiring soon:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmjiv 0 Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 Does someone have a list of who the Non-Nike schools are? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoALtiger 3,851 Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 Does someone have a list of who the Non-Nike schools are? UnderArmor list is posted in this thread, not sure about Adidas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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