Possible position change for JFIII

[lionheartkc 6,150]

30 minutes ago, Strychnine said:

 

I could live with its very infrequent use as a trick play when you happen to have the right situation.  It should not be a staple of an offense.

At the same time. KJ scored with it quite a bit last year. Its really his bread and butter play when we are within 10 yards of the end zone.

[Strychnine 1,802]

Just now, lionheartkc said:

At the same time. KJ scored with it quite a bit last year. Its really his bread and butter play when we are within 10 yards of the end zone.

 

I would say that when your bread and butter play inside the 10 involves a RB taking direct snaps, you should re-evaluate your red zone offense.  By the time we get to the red zone, we should be capitalizing on a confused and tired defense, instead of stopping play to substitute a running QB.  I am definitely hoping Lindsey's work makes an impact in red zone production.

[AUld fAUx@ 2,584]

3 hours ago, aubiefifty said:

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You do good work, of which I seriously and selfishly take advantage.

Keep it up as long as you can manage.

WDE

[lionheartkc 6,150]

1 minute ago, Strychnine said:

I would say that when your bread and butter play inside the 10 involves a RB taking direct snaps, you should re-evaluate your red zone offense.  By the time we get to the red zone, we should be capitalizing on a confused and tired defense, instead of stopping play to substitute a running QB.  I am definitely hoping Lindsey's work makes an impact in red zone production.

I did say "his" bread and butter play, not "our" bread and butter play, but I get you. KJ just seems to excel when he's taking a direct snap, vs getting the hand-off.

[McLoofus 35,182]

28 minutes ago, Strychnine said:

 

I would say that when your bread and butter play inside the 10 involves a RB taking direct snaps, you should re-evaluate your red zone offense.  By the time we get to the red zone, we should be capitalizing on a confused and tired defense, instead of stopping play to substitute a running QB.  I am definitely hoping Lindsey's work makes an impact in red zone production.

 

26 minutes ago, lionheartkc said:

I did say "his" bread and butter play, not "our" bread and butter play, but I get you. KJ just seems to excel when he's taking a direct snap, vs getting the hand-off.

I agree with both of you. I wish I knew the average yards per play with KJ in the WC, but I personally feel like it was a pretty good play for us. That said, @Strychnine is right, we were 52nd in the country in red zone offense. Mitigating factors aside, we can't necessarily build on much we did on that part of the field. 

Edit: And I'm correcting myself somewhat when I say that, as I made the same point as you about KJ/WC/RZ, Lion.

[Strychnine 1,802]

2 minutes ago, McLoofus said:

 

I agree with both of you. I wish I knew the average yards per play with KJ in the WC, but I personally feel like it was a pretty good play for us. That said, @Strychnine is right, we were 52nd in the country in red zone offense. Mitigating factors aside, we can't necessarily build on much we did on that part of the field. 

Edit: And I'm correcting myself somewhat when I say that, as I made the same point as you about KJ/WC/RZ, Lion.

 

I also think it was a good play for us in 2016, but I suspect that says more about our multi-year red zone struggles than it serves as a wildcat endorsement.  That said, anything that requires substitution is counter-productive for a HUNH team.  Of course, that assumes the HUNH team is going to utilize the "hurry up" part.

[meh130 1,043]

1 hour ago, Strychnine said:

 

I like tempo, so I hate the substitutions for the wildcat.

Agree. Originally the Wildcat formation was based on a 21 personnel group and did not require substitution if your jet sweep WR and Wildcat RB were already on the field. That made it compatible with HUNH offenses.

[lionheartkc 6,150]

20 minutes ago, Strychnine said:

I also think it was a good play for us in 2016, but I suspect that says more about our multi-year red zone struggles than it serves as a wildcat endorsement.  That said, anything that requires substitution is counter-productive for a HUNH team.  Of course, that assumes the HUNH team is going to utilize the "hurry up" part.

No doubt there. I see absolutely no reason to run the wildcat unless whoever is getting the snap is already on the field in their standard position and just shifts over. 

[McLoofus 35,182]

13 minutes ago, meh130 said:

Agree. Originally the Wildcat formation was based on a 21 personnel group and did not require substitution if your jet sweep WR and Wildcat RB were already on the field. That made it compatible with HUNH offenses.

And that should be doable for us. We have the personnel.

I'm guessing that the way we used the wildcat the last couple of seasons was a reaction to our personnel situations, most notably at QB. It was a safe play that put the ball in our most dependable guy's hands and usually at least got us positive yards. We weren't capable of running temp with what we had no matter what. 

As for the red zone, we sucked, for sure. But I'm pretty sure any team would be happy to have at least one play that gets that 2-4 yd touchdown more often than not. 

Anyway, between KJ, Martin, Stove, R. Davis and maybe another guy or two, and with Stidham at QB, we should be able to run the WC without substituting if we want. 

[Strychnine 1,802]

9 minutes ago, lionheartkc said:

No doubt there. I see absolutely no reason to run the wildcat unless whoever is getting the snap is already on the field in their standard position and just shifts over. 

 

Indeed.  I do not necessarily have a problem with the wildcat itself, just the substitution.  It does open up some misdirection opportunities, especially with tempo.  My main issue is with stopping play to sub in an extra blocker in place of the QB.

[johnnyAU 3,630]

If we never ran the wildcat formation again in my lifetime, I wouldn't at all be saddened. 

[DAG 33,980]

16 minutes ago, johnnyAU said:

If we never ran the wildcat formation again in my lifetime, I wouldn't at all be saddened. 

It should go the way of the flea flicker. Used very, very sparingly.

[lionheartkc 6,150]

24 minutes ago, Strychnine said:

Indeed.  I do not necessarily have a problem with the wildcat itself, just the substitution.  It does open up some misdirection opportunities, especially with tempo.  My main issue is with stopping play to sub in an extra blocker in place of the QB.

I'm with you... you have to be able to shift the QB to receiver.

You had to appreciate the wildcat wrinkles that Oklahoma threw at us... sandlot as they might have been. They were quite adept at the misdirection aspects of it.

[Strychnine 1,802]

Just now, lionheartkc said:

I'm with you... you have to be able to shift the QB to receiver.

You had to appreciate the wildcat wrinkles that Oklahoma threw at us... sandlot as they might have been. They were quite adept at the misdirection aspects of it.

 

When you crank up the tempo, sandlot can often suddenly turn into first downs and impact plays.

[lionheartkc 6,150]

2 minutes ago, Strychnine said:

 

When you crank up the tempo, sandlot can often suddenly turn into first downs and impact plays.

Sure did against us.

[doc4aday 1,887]

6 hours ago, aubiefifty said:

ledger-enquirer.com

 

Gus Malzahn hints at possible position change for John Franklin III

By Michael Niziolekmniziolek@ledger-enquirer.com

Auburn coach Gus Malzahn isn’t committed to keeping John Franklin III at quarterback for the duration of spring practice.

Malzahn previously shot the scenario down, but that’s not what happened when he was asked about it again Tuesday.

“He’s going to start out at quarterback, and he’ll get reps today and tomorrow at quarterback along with the other four guys,” Malzahn said.

Malzahn stressed the importance of quickly narrowing the field in Auburn’s quarterback competition to consolidate the reps to a “handful of guys.”

What happens if Franklin isn’t part of that group?

“John is open to helping the team with whatever, but we just felt strong that he should start out and try to win the job at quarterback, and so that’s what we’ll do,” Malzahn said.

Franklin worked as a gunner on special teams Tuesday during the portion of practice open to the media, but Malzahn didn’t discuss what Franklin’s role might be if he falls out of the quarterback race.

The former junior college transfer was 27 of 47 for 312 yards last year with a touchdown and two interceptions. He was more effective running the ball with 46 carries for 430 yards with two touchdowns.

Franklin only made one start, but played in all 13 games, seeing the field mostly as a wildcat quarterback and helping close out blowout wins.

When Franklin’s number was called in the Sugar Bowl, he had high hopes of leading Auburn to victory, but cramping in his throwing arm cut the opportunity short.

“I was real angry,” Franklin said after the game. “I was mad because my opportunity was here and I couldn’t do anything with it. I was feeling real good coming in here at halftime, ready to go (back) in and that made me real frustrated.”

Franklin has publicly committed to staying at Auburn for his final year of eligibility twice, but he’s qualified those comments in each case adding his plans “as of now” and “for now” playing his last season on the Plains.

This is good information that I did not know about JFIII. I wish he could become a WR or maybe a cornerback. He still should be the best choice for the wildcat position. I have grown to respect JFIII and feel that he wants to do his absolute best wherever he is placed on the field.

[Strychnine 1,802]

1 minute ago, doc4aday said:

This is good information that I did not know about JFIII. I wish he could become a WR or maybe a cornerback. He still should be the best choice for the wildcat position. I have grown to respect JFIII and feel that he wants to do his absolute best wherever he is placed on the field.

 

That is ultimately why I would be convinced that someone in the decision-making process is criminally stupid if he is on the depth chart at QB in the fall.  It has been clearly demonstrated that he is not an SEC QB, but he has athleticism that begs you to find him a role as a playmaker.

[doc4aday 1,887]

3 minutes ago, Strychnine said:

 

That is ultimately why I would be convinced that someone in the decision-making process is criminally stupid if he is on the depth chart at QB in the fall.  It has been clearly demonstrated that he is not an SEC QB, but he has athleticism that begs you to find him a role as a playmaker.

This happens event with the best 4-5 star players that do not perform on the field like we think they should. I know JFIII is not RGIII and will never be. All it would take would be for JFIII to go in as a wildcat back and win a huge game for us, of which he would have earned his scholarship in one quick play. I know he will very unlikely win the QB position unless a revelation from the Lord is passed on to  JFIII that makes him the best QB at Auburn and wins a NC and the Heisman. I am an older guy who has followed, loved, respected, and blown a few fuses over the past 48 seasons. I agree with your assessment, but want to make sure that credit is given when earned and respected of which I am sure you would agree with.

[jAUSon 2,836]

He's the fastest guy on the field. I say call a spade a spade, find a way to get him (and Jason Smith) significant touches. This offense might have the most weapons I've ever seen. Need to use them. 

[lionheartkc 6,150]

11 hours ago, jAUSon said:

He's the fastest guy on the field. I say call a spade a spade, find a way to get him (and Jason Smith) significant touches. This offense might have the most weapons I've ever seen. Need to use them. 

Couple of points... First, he's actually not the fastest guy on the field.  At least 2 of the Davis boys, Dean, and I believe one or two others clocked as fast or faster 40s than he did. There's a good chance that true Freshman, Iggy, will smoke them all.  

Second, because we have SO much talent out there, especially at receiver, we don't need to use them unless they bring something to the field that the others don't.  Otherwise, we just need to consider ourselves fortunate that we have some serious quality depth. 

[McLoofus 35,182]

13 minutes ago, lionheartkc said:

Couple of points... First, he's actually not the fastest guy on the field.  At least 2 of the Davis boys, Dean, and I believe one or two others clocked as fast or faster 40s than he did. There's a good chance that true Freshman, Iggy, will smoke them all.  

Second, because we have SO much talent out there, especially at receiver, we don't need to use them unless they bring something to the field that the others don't.  Otherwise, we just need to consider ourselves fortunate that we have some serious quality depth. 

I keep forgetting about Iggy. No clue who's fastest, especially when you start talking about real football speed vs 40 times, but that dude will be in the conversation for most effectively athletic for sure. 

[DAG 33,980]

46 minutes ago, lionheartkc said:

Couple of points... First, he's actually not the fastest guy on the field.  At least 2 of the Davis boys, Dean, and I believe one or two others clocked as fast or faster 40s than he did. There's a good chance that true Freshman, Iggy, will smoke them all.  

Second, because we have SO much talent out there, especially at receiver, we don't need to use them unless they bring something to the field that the others don't.  Otherwise, we just need to consider ourselves fortunate that we have some serious quality depth. 

 

 

 

John Franklin-4.28
Carlton Davis-4.28
Jamel Dean-4.28
Rudy Ford-4.20
Javaris Davis-4.18

We are splitting hairs here. If Iggy can run a sub 4.2 40 as a true freshman than shut it down. I want to see Ted Ginn numbers.

[metafour 4,969]

12 hours ago, jAUSon said:

He's the fastest guy on the field. I say call a spade a spade, find a way to get him (and Jason Smith) significant touches. This offense might have the most weapons I've ever seen. Need to use them. 

These types of posts always kill me.

"Just get 'X' role player significant touches because he's fast".

How many footballs are we playing with? Where are all these touches coming from? Look at the roster: you've got Pettway, Johnson, and other backs who will get "touches".  Then you've got about ~4+ receivers who are easily better players than Franklin.  Franklin is like a poor-man's version of Eli Stove, the fact that he may be "slightly faster" means virtually nothing as I can virtually guarantee that Stove is: a better receiver, more agile, and more physical.

The way some of you talk, you'd need to run 150 plays a game just to get everyone touches.

[McLoofus 35,182]

5 minutes ago, metafour said:

These types of posts always kill me.

"Just get 'X' role player significant touches because he's fast".

How many footballs are we playing with? Where are all these touches coming from? Look at the roster: you've got Pettway, Johnson, and other backs who will get "touches".  Then you've got about ~4+ receivers who are easily better players than Franklin.  Franklin is like a poor-man's version of Eli Stove, the fact that he may be "slightly faster" means virtually nothing as I can virtually guarantee that Stove is: a better receiver, more agile, and more physical.

The way some of you talk, you'd need to run 150 plays a game just to get everyone touches.

Despite my suggestion that we try moving him to WR as a deep threat specialist, I agree with this. I don't think that he'd "probably" contribute there, I just think that it's the lowest risk with the highest potential yield. 

[LKEEL75 2,566]

23 minutes ago, DAG said:

John Franklin-4.28
Carlton Davis-4.28
Jamel Dean-4.28
Rudy Ford-4.20
Javaris Davis-4.18

We are splitting hairs here. If Iggy can run a sub 4.2 40 as a true freshman than shut it down. I want to see Ted Ginn numbers.

If these numbers are true and not "AU accurate" then Rudy Ford should win an island:  link