Proud Tiger 4,261 Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 A key Dem seems to be getting desperate to prove collusion. Sue uses word like "possibility" and "believe" but offers not one FACT. http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/12/03/feinstein-senate-judiciary-now-sees-possibility-trump-obstruction-case.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homersapien 11,393 Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 I don't see the problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUDub 11,158 Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 2 hours ago, Proud Tiger said: A key Dem seems to be getting desperate to prove collusion. Sue uses word like "possibility" and "believe" but offers not one FACT. http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/12/03/feinstein-senate-judiciary-now-sees-possibility-trump-obstruction-case.html She said obstruction. Pretty funny how he sort of fessed up to it on Twitter the other day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasTiger 12,962 Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 12 hours ago, Proud Tiger said: A key Dem seems to be getting desperate to prove collusion. Sue uses word like "possibility" and "believe" but offers not one FACT. http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/12/03/feinstein-senate-judiciary-now-sees-possibility-trump-obstruction-case.html She says obstruction. You, David and Trump want to make it about collusion. A) the confidential stuff she knows, she can't share; B ) Mueller is the one that is charged with bringing forth facts. She thinks he will, based on what she's seen. If I had only seen Trump's tweets and interviews, I would believe the same thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Proud Tiger 4,261 Posted December 4, 2017 Author Share Posted December 4, 2017 8 hours ago, TexasTiger said: She says obstruction. You, David and Trump want to make it about collusion. A) the confidential stuff she knows, she can't share; B ) Mueller is the one that is charged with bringing forth facts. She thinks he will, based on what she's seen. If I had only seen Trump's tweets and interviews, I would believe the same thing. I will go with the opinion of a real unbiased expert, Alan Dershowitz on the case for obstruction. He describes you and others here perfectly......hope over reality. http://insider.foxnews.com/2017/12/04/alan-dershowitz-obstruction-justice-charges-against-trump-would-lead-constitutional Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasTiger 12,962 Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 1 minute ago, Proud Tiger said: I will go with the opinion of a real unbiased expert, Alan Dershowitz on the case for obstruction. He describes you and others here perfectly......hope over reality. http://insider.foxnews.com/2017/12/04/alan-dershowitz-obstruction-justice-charges-against-trump-would-lead-constitutional He's not unbiased and in a small minority on this issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Proud Tiger 4,261 Posted December 4, 2017 Author Share Posted December 4, 2017 Just now, TexasTiger said: He's not unbiased and in a small minority on this issue. Says you. He is an expert lawyer so I will go with him over you any day. Who is the majority? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasTiger 12,962 Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 5 minutes ago, Proud Tiger said: Says you. He is an expert lawyer so I will go with him over you any day. Who is the majority? You'll go with what you want to hear. No need to try and convince you. We'll see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Proud Tiger 4,261 Posted December 4, 2017 Author Share Posted December 4, 2017 8 minutes ago, TexasTiger said: You'll go with what you want to hear. No need to try and convince you. We'll see. Nice dodge but not true. I just offered the opinion of a well known legal expert rather than mine. And there are many more who agree. You said he in in the minority but didn't answer my question who the majority is. Do you have some comparable legal experts who believe there is collusion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasTiger 12,962 Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 2 minutes ago, Proud Tiger said: Nice dodge but not true. I just offered the opinion of a well known legal expert rather than mine. And there are many more who agree. You said he in in the majority but didn't answer my question who they are. Do you have a comparable some expert who believes there is collusion. Obstruction. Public experts aren't privy to all the facts that may demonstrate collusion-- which isn't necessarily a crime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Proud Tiger 4,261 Posted December 4, 2017 Author Share Posted December 4, 2017 10 minutes ago, TexasTiger said: Obstruction. Public experts aren't privy to all the facts that may demonstrate collusion-- which isn't necessarily a crime. More dodging my question. Nothing was said about collusion. Dershowitz's opinion was about obstruction. You can dodge all day (your usual MO) but can't answer my question or simply accept that I posted an expert opinion FWIW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasTiger 12,962 Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 5 minutes ago, Proud Tiger said: More dodging my question. Nothing was said about collusion. Dershowitz's opinion was about obstruction. You can dodge all day (your usual MO) but can't answer my question or simply accept that I posted an expert opinion FWIW. Not a dodge. Your MO is to ignore and not seek any info that conflicts with what you want to belief. I'm not making some arcane point that needs backup-- what I'm stating is commonly out there. Your belief would mean Mueller and his team of experts are all wrong about basic legal concepts and you cite a washed up retired professor and think you've won the day. Go with that if you wish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Proud Tiger 4,261 Posted December 4, 2017 Author Share Posted December 4, 2017 1 hour ago, TexasTiger said: Not a dodge. Your MO is to ignore and not seek any info that conflicts with what you want to belief. I'm not making some arcane point that needs backup-- what I'm stating is commonly out there. Your belief would mean Mueller and his team of experts are all wrong about basic legal concepts and you cite a washed up retired professor and think you've won the day. Go with that if you wish. Still can't answer my simple question to back up your original claim so you go on and on with rationalizatiion. You apparently can't comprehend that I posted the opinion of a respected expert and you have nothing except to criticize me. pitiful even for you. But if it makes you happy have it your way Burger King. Bye Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasTiger 12,962 Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 32 minutes ago, Proud Tiger said: Still can't answer my simple question to back up your original claim so you go on and on with rationalizatiion. You apparently can't comprehend that I posted the opinion of a respected expert and you have nothing except to criticize me. pitiful even for you. But if it makes you happy have it your way Burger King. Bye You start by claiming Feinstein said something she didn't and then cite a guy to prove the whole investigation into obstruction is baseless. For years when I do the legwork you're too lazy to do, you ignore it. Believe what you will. Donald's never lied to you. Hillary should be in jail with 17 consecutive life sentences without parole. Jared will bring on peace in the Middle East. Mexico will pay for the wall. Donald never said "grab 'Em by the ..." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Proud Tiger 4,261 Posted December 4, 2017 Author Share Posted December 4, 2017 3 minutes ago, TexasTiger said: You start by claiming Feinstein said something she didn't and then cite a guy to prove the whole investigation into obstruction is baseless. For years when I do the legwork you're too lazy to do, you ignore it. Believe what you will. Donald's never lied to you. Hillary should be in jail with 17 consecutive life sentences without parole. Jared will bring on peace in the Middle East. Mexico will pay for the wall. Donald never said "grab 'Em by the ..." More yada yada but you still can't answer a simple question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasTiger 12,962 Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 43 minutes ago, Proud Tiger said: More yada yada but you still can't answer a simple question. You still can't google. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homersapien 11,393 Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 6 hours ago, Proud Tiger said: Says you. He is an expert lawyer so I will go with him over you any day. Who is the majority? More than 60 percent of Americans think President Donald Trump "has tried to impede or obstruct the investigation" into Russia’s meddling in the 2016 election, according to a new Associated Press/NORC poll out Thursday. https://www.politico.com/story/2017/06/15/poll-trump-obstruction-russia-239586 Legal experts: Trump's tweet could lead to obstruction of justice charges http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/362964-ethics-experts-trumps-tweet-could-lead-to-obstruction-of-justice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasTiger 12,962 Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 3 hours ago, Proud Tiger said: More yada yada but you still can't answer a simple question. Here's a liberal rag: http://amp.nationalreview.com/corner/454324/donald-trump-not-constitutionally-immune-obstruction-justice-charge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Proud Tiger 4,261 Posted December 4, 2017 Author Share Posted December 4, 2017 17 minutes ago, TexasTiger said: Here's a liberal rag: http://amp.nationalreview.com/corner/454324/donald-trump-not-constitutionally-immune-obstruction-justice-charge One man's opinion, just as is Dershowitz's is. But your link just addresses the constitutional issue by a guy who is no constitution expert. Only the SCOTUS would ultimately do that. But I'm still waiting for ANY expert to give evidence supporting collusion or obstruction. You made the claim, back it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasTiger 12,962 Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 1 minute ago, Proud Tiger said: One man's opinion, just as is Dershowitz's in the OP. But your link just addresses the constitutional issue by a guy who is no constitution expert. Only the SCOTUS would ultimately do that. But I'm still waiting for ANY expert to give evidence supporting collusion or obstruction. You made the claim, back it up. You claimed Feinstein was wrong. I'm content to wait on Mueller. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Proud Tiger 4,261 Posted December 4, 2017 Author Share Posted December 4, 2017 2 minutes ago, TexasTiger said: You claimed Feinstein was wrong. I'm content to wait on Mueller. I didn't say Feinstein was wrong. I said she offered no facts just "I think" and "I believe." I hope Mueller has more than that if he is foolish enough to bring an accusation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasTiger 12,962 Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 1 minute ago, Proud Tiger said: I didn't say Feinstein was wrong. I said she offered no facts just "I think" and "I believe." I hope Mueller has more than that if he is foolish enough to bring an accusation. What was she asked? BTW, more experts disagreeing with Trump's attorney: https://www.vox.com/2017/12/4/16733422/fbi-deal-trump-flynn-russia-comey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Proud Tiger 4,261 Posted December 4, 2017 Author Share Posted December 4, 2017 1 minute ago, TexasTiger said: What was she asked? BTW, more experts disagreeing with Trump's attorney: https://www.vox.com/2017/12/4/16733422/fbi-deal-trump-flynn-russia-comey Whether he can or can't is another dodge. The question on the table is HAS he. I say no. Do you have evidence he has. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUDub 11,158 Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 10 minutes ago, TexasTiger said: Here's a liberal rag: http://amp.nationalreview.com/corner/454324/donald-trump-not-constitutionally-immune-obstruction-justice-charge David French is a lawyer. I've taken a liking to him lately. Does some good stuff with Popehat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUDub 11,158 Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 Dershowitz is not the hill I would choose to die on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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