AUBwins 10,075 Posted November 24, 2018 Share Posted November 24, 2018 I don't think we will jump Tennessee. If Kansas won by a healthy margin then maybe. Tenn basically lost to the #2 about the same difference we lost to #1. Tenn actually led in their game and took them to overtime. The top 5-8 teams may just stay status quo with maybe the exception of UNC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Loblaw 636 Posted November 24, 2018 Share Posted November 24, 2018 2 minutes ago, AUBwins said: I don't think we will jump Tennessee. If Kansas won by a healthy margin then maybe. Tenn basically lost to the #2 about the same difference we lost to #1. Tenn actually led in their game and took them to overtime. The top 5-8 teams may just stay status quo with maybe the exception of UNC. Yeah. I don’t think we will either but AU does have way more quality wins than UT right now so it’s possible Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ellitor 33,093 Posted November 25, 2018 Share Posted November 25, 2018 22 hours ago, Gene Loblaw said: Doubt it. Imagine AU will stay the same. No chance MSU or FSU jump us especially since MSU already has a loss and AU still has 3 quality wins. Pollsters basically look at current week only. Spaty's loss was in the season opener against a team as respected as our loss in Kansas. Sparty won a tourney this week going 2-0 vs a ranked & soon to be ranked team. We went 2-1 playing only 1 ranked team albeit an elite team. FSU could go 4-0 this week including beating a ranked LSU & still very respected Nova if they win that tourney today. 23 hours ago, Gene Loblaw said: What will be interesting is to see if AU jumps Tennessee in the polls after their loss to Kansas Nope. Pollsters will see our respective losses as a wash. Louisville still has enough respect for a win I think it keeps them above us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ellitor 33,093 Posted November 25, 2018 Share Posted November 25, 2018 22 hours ago, Gene Loblaw said: AU does have way more quality wins than UT right now. That's how selection committee looks at things. Pollsters just typically look at what did you do this week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUDub 11,148 Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ellitor 33,093 Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 Good call @Gene Loblaw. I was wrong & pleasantly surprised with the pollsters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ellitor 33,093 Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 AU is #16 in the first ever NET rankings. It has replaced the RPI & is now the standard the NCAA committee looks at for selections. https://www.ncaa.com/rankings/basketball-men/d1/ncaa-mens-basketball-net-rankings Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUDub 11,148 Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 2 minutes ago, ellitor said: AU is #16 in the first ever NET rankings. It has replaced the RPI & is now the standard the NCAA committee looks at for selections. https://www.ncaa.com/rankings/basketball-men/d1/ncaa-mens-basketball-net-rankings Actually about where we are on RPI so that's probably a fair ranking. NET overall looks a bit wonky early on, but it's early and doesn't have a good sample yet. Let's see how it looks after a few more weeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ellitor 33,093 Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 2 hours ago, AUDub said: Actually about where we are on RPI We are 9th on the RPI because RPI doesn't count non D1 games like the NET apparently does... http://warrennolan.com/basketball/2019/rpi-live Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUDub 11,148 Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 Just now, ellitor said: We are 9th on the RPI because RPI doesn't count non D1 games like the NET apparently does... http://warrennolan.com/basketball/2019/rpi-live We've climbed since I last looked, I guess. I checked that this past weekend (Warren Nolan is also my go to) and it had us parked at 16th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ellitor 33,093 Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 Just noticed in the coaches poll they apparently felt UK did something last week to jump us. I don't see it myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ellitor 33,093 Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 34 minutes ago, AUDub said: We've climbed since I last looked, I guess. I checked that this past weekend (Warren Nolan is also my go to) and it had us parked at 16th. Me too. U-Dub & Arizona moved a lot since I had looked Friday night. 50s to 28 & 94 to 60 respectively. That helped us in the RPI. U-Dub specifically gave us a Group 1 win for now in the RPI. Group breakdowns in RPI vs NET FWIW RPI Group 1: 1-1 Group 2: 1-0 Group : 1-0 Group4: 1-0 NET Group 1: 1-1 Group 2: 1-0 Group 3: 1-0 Group 4: 1-0 In the RPI U-Dub is a G1 win as stated above where it's a mid level G2 win on the NET. Zona is a low G2 win on the RPI but a G1 win on the NET. Xavier is a mid level G3 win in the RPI but a near G2 win on the NET. Yes I'm a numbers nerd & damn proud of it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ellitor 33,093 Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 Looking at NC State shows something interesting. NC State has mostly pounded on weak teams so far & have been rewarded on the NET with a #31 ranking whereas they are 210 on the RPI. We get that one on the road & it will be a nice NET boost. Also noticed the NET likes the SEC overall better than the RPI. SEC is an average 16 spots higher per team in the NET than the RPI right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUDub 11,148 Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 1 hour ago, ellitor said: Looking at NC State shows something interesting. NC State has mostly pounded on weak teams so far & have been rewarded on the NET with a #31 ranking whereas they are 210 on the RPI. We get that one on the road & it will be a nice NET boost. Also noticed the NET likes the SEC overall better than the RPI. SEC is an average 16 spots higher per team in the NET than the RPI right now. We'd better hope we don't drop either Dayton or NC State. One of those would sting us badly if we want a high seed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ellitor 33,093 Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 18 minutes ago, AUDub said: We'd better hope we don't drop either Dayton or NC State. One of those would sting us badly if we want a high seed. Potentially agree on Dayton because it's at home. On NC State it depends how they play out the season. The NET likes them a lot right now so that would be a quality road loss unless they tank in the ACC. FWIW the committee no longer uses the RPI in selection assessment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUDub 11,148 Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 17 hours ago, ellitor said: Potentially agree on Dayton because it's at home. On NC State it depends how they play out the season. The NET likes them a lot right now so that would be a quality road loss unless they tank in the ACC. FWIW the committee no longer uses the RPI in selection assessment. Nate Silver is being pretty vocal about how much he dislikes NET. It may end up being a damn mess come selection Sunday. At least RPI, for all its faults, had a tendency to self correct from the wonkiness of the early rankings as the season wore on. Silver doesn't believe NET will. One wonders if they took the time to hindcast the model against prior seasons. Would be pretty laughable if it spat out something like Loyola Marymount as a 1 seed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Loblaw 636 Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 we’re number 5 according to this nerd’s calculations Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ellitor 33,093 Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 37 minutes ago, AUDub said: Nate Silver Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUDub 11,148 Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 14 minutes ago, ellitor said: The guy that runs FiveThirtyEight. Basically ESPN's numbers/stats wonk before he moved to ABC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homersapien 11,373 Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/the-ncaa-ending-the-rpi-in-favor-of-the-net-is-a-long-overdue-overhaul-on-an-outdated-process/ Well, to this novice, NET sounds pretty good - as least qualitatively. (Of course, that's what they want you to think.) But to be honest, my only takeaway from this discussion is the elation that comes from it being actually relevant for our BB program. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ellitor 33,093 Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 OP updated 12/3 Update: AU is #8 in both polls & #7 in the newest NET rankings. Also worth noting AU is #5 in the RPI & #8 in the KenPom rankings which many people in the basketball world think is the best rankings system out there. Looks like the NET is starting to normalize some. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lost 452 Posted December 3, 2018 Author Share Posted December 3, 2018 On the NET rankings--- I am like Bruce, as i am down on the counting the amount of points you win by as a reference. I think this really clouds the issue somewhat and puts undue pressure on every team . It takes away the opportunity to award your scout team and hard workers a chance to play as now you will need to win by the biggest margin to insure Your NET ranking. I know for the upper echelon it will not matter that much because the victories will be there, but even Bruce was saying he thought maybe this was not the best thing..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Loblaw 636 Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 Net only factors point difference up to 10 points I believe. Anything higher than that doesn’t matter. The system isn’t set up to encourage blow outs. It’s just one more minor piece of data Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ellitor 33,093 Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 32 minutes ago, Gene Loblaw said: Net only factors point difference up to 10 points I believe. Anything higher than that doesn’t matter. The system isn’t set up to encourage blow outs. It’s just one more minor piece of data I believe this is correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUJedi 243 Posted December 6, 2018 Share Posted December 6, 2018 I’ve not been keeping up with basketball lately as much as I should. But how is Kentucky ranked ahead of us in coaches poll. A team that lost by 30+ to Duke??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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