i might have to eat my words but..........

[aubiefifty 16,822]

i wish us dems could rise above all the crap and fallout of the last four years and try to set a better example than what trumps folks have thrown our way. i understand the anger and i understand the need to put the shoe on the other foot so to speak. all the lies and all the ridicule we have endured was not fun and trust me no one dislikes trump more than me. so i will be trying to take the high road. i certainly have not gloated. but my heart is only so big so do not expect me to bite my tongue long if the right keeps up the same ol crap. i am sure some will laugh but i am serious. i am sick of the hate so i will be trying to do better.

 

[CleCoTiger 1,957]

I think Biden is trying to lead the way in uniting. But I have Trumper friends I've known since grade school talking violence. We live in interesting times. I long for a return to boring.

[McLoofus 35,182]

I feel the exact same way.

(Language warning.)

[aubiefifty 16,822]

people on both sides are still angry. i get it. but there comes a time when someone needs to take the high road. to be honest i am surprised no one laughed. and yes i made a lot of people mad on here but at the same time i have taken personal shots from folks on here that would rather their pastor not hear about. i knew this would go over like a turd in a punch bowl but i tried.

[McLoofus 35,182]

16 minutes ago, aubiefifty said:

people on both sides are still angry. i get it. but there comes a time when someone needs to take the high road. to be honest i am surprised no one laughed. and yes i made a lot of people mad on here but at the same time i have taken personal shots from folks on here that would rather their pastor not hear about. i knew this would go over like a turd in a punch bowl but i tried.

Nah dude, of course you're right. And I am generally very quiet everywhere else. 

[creed 1,641]

14 hours ago, aubiefifty said:

i wish us dems could rise above all the crap and fallout of the last four years and try to set a better example than what trumps folks have thrown our way. i understand the anger and i understand the need to put the shoe on the other foot so to speak. all the lies and all the ridicule we have endured was not fun and trust me no one dislikes trump more than me. so i will be trying to take the high road. i certainly have not gloated. but my heart is only so big so do not expect me to bite my tongue long if the right keeps up the same ol crap. i am sure some will laugh but i am serious. i am sick of the hate so i will be trying to do better.

 

Your history precedes you so I'm not sure this means a lot. But, I hope you succeed in your new found approach/mentality to posting. Sounds positive so far.

[aubiefifty 16,822]

4 minutes ago, creed said:

Your history precedes you so I'm not sure this means a lot. But, I hope you succeed in your new found approach/mentality to posting. Sounds positive so far.

of course my history precedes me and i have always owned it .always. but all i did was treat people on here like trump treats people especially the other side. my findings? trump can do it but i cannot. but for the record i took several shots before i upped my game. but it will take both sides willing to come together and i am trying. i have yet to gloat about the election. and i also think this is a lost cause on this board. i have friends on the right that have known nothing but respect from me. i was raised right but if someone comes at me with complete bull on here i gave it back in spades because some of it was and still is so stupid.

[creed 1,641]

2 minutes ago, aubiefifty said:

of course my history precedes me and i have always owned it .always. but all i did was treat people on here like trump treats people especially the other side. my findings? trump can do it but i cannot. but for the record i took several shots before i upped my game. but it will take both sides willing to come together and i am trying. i have yet to gloat about the election. and i also think this is a lost cause on this board. i have friends on the right that have known nothing but respect from me. i was raised right but if someone comes at me with complete bull on here i gave it back in spades because some of it was and still is so stupid.

That's cool. Again, Hope you succeed.

[homersapien 11,393]

On 11/9/2020 at 5:31 PM, aubiefifty said:

i wish us dems could rise above all the crap and fallout of the last four years and try to set a better example than what trumps folks have thrown our way. i understand the anger and i understand the need to put the shoe on the other foot so to speak. all the lies and all the ridicule we have endured was not fun and trust me no one dislikes trump more than me. so i will be trying to take the high road. i certainly have not gloated. but my heart is only so big so do not expect me to bite my tongue long if the right keeps up the same ol crap. i am sure some will laugh but i am serious. i am sick of the hate so i will be trying to do better.

 

I think Biden is trying to do exactly that.

But reconciliation starts at the top, and Trump is in this - as always - only for himself.  At this point, no one actually believes he will change.

I don't expect to see anything like an attempt at reconciliation from Republicans as long as Trump is around. Just like Lindsey Graham, they have made a pact with the devil and there's no getting out of it even if they wanted to, which apparently, they don't.

[jj3jordan 2,056]

Anybody see any high road traffic or reconciliation or acceptance or moving on or setting a good example after 2016? All I saw was the opposite. Four years of Russia Ukraine urination attacks by fbi cia special counsels impeachment blah blah blah.   It’s laughable for you to suggest or demand pleasant treatment after your performance the last four years.

[CleCoTiger 1,957]

2 hours ago, jj3jordan said:

Anybody see any high road traffic or reconciliation or acceptance or moving on or setting a good example after 2016? All I saw was the opposite. Four years of Russia Ukraine urination attacks by fbi cia special counsels impeachment blah blah blah.   It’s laughable for you to suggest or demand pleasant treatment after your performance the last four years.

You're not being honest with yourself. Acceptance? Yup. Hillary conceded. And four years ago yesterday Obama met with Trump in the White House to congratulate him. Same for Biden meeting with Pence. As far as Russia, I suggest you actually look into what the Republican chaired Intelligence Committee in the Senate found and stop listening to partisan sources and Trump.

[DKW 86 7,431]

9 hours ago, CleCoTiger said:

 As far as Russia, I suggest you actually look into what the Republican chaired Intelligence Committee in the Senate found and stop listening to partisan sources and Trump.

Did they find meddling? Why yes, about $1.3m worth. BTW, HRC out spent Trump by...roughly $500M. So $1.3M Versus $500M, do you really think that the "Russian Meddling" amounted to a more than a hill of beans? Every govt for the last 300 years has done this. The CIA lives for this crap, was designed for this crap. The "Russians!!!!!!" amounted to spit in the ocean and nothing more. Did they meddle? Sure thing. But at such a miniscule level Ich Machts Nicht! (it mattered not.)

[I_M4_AU 7,865]

10 hours ago, CleCoTiger said:

You're not being honest with yourself. Acceptance? Yup. Hillary conceded. And four years ago yesterday Obama met with Trump in the White House to congratulate him. Same for Biden meeting with Pence. As far as Russia, I suggest you actually look into what the Republican chaired Intelligence Committee in the Senate found and stop listening to partisan sources and Trump.

Your media truth filters have been clogged and they are now in bypass mode, it seems like about 4 years now.  You might want to have the replaced.

[homersapien 11,393]

Of course Republicans are doing this. It’s who they are.

Opinion by

E.J. Dionne Jr.

Columnist

November 11, 2020

 

No. Not this time. Not again.

We knew that President Trump had no respect for democracy or the Constitution. So we’re not surprised that he’s lying, and lying, and lying again to claim he prevailed in the election that President-elect Joe Biden won decisively, fair and square.

What we did not know for certain was whether the Republican Party would once again bow before Trump’s corruption and his indifference to the fate of our republican institutions.

Well, the GOP has turned out to be as despicably ready to validate Trump’s falsehoods and authoritarian behavior as its worst critics feared. With precious few exceptions, Republican leaders are quite happy to be complicit in Trump’s subversion.Some innocent souls still want to see the GOP as a normal party ready to work with Biden to solve the nation’s problems.

Sorry, but that party disappeared long ago, and we should not, in retrospect, have expected anything else. After all, this is not the first time that Republicans moved immediately to discredit a Democrat who won the presidency. It’s not even the second time. The practice of hamstringing a new Democratic president by suggesting that his victory wasn’t genuine goes all the way back to Bill Clinton.

Recall that in 1992, Clinton won an overwhelming 370-to-168 electoral college majority over then-President George H.W. Bush. Clinton beat Bush in the popular vote by 5.8 million. But the businessman Ross Perot ran a serious campaign as an independent and won 18.9 percent of the popular vote. As a result, Clinton’s share was 43 percent.

That was all the Republicans needed to assert that even though Clinton won, he was actually a loser. Then-Republican Senate leader Bob Dole declared the day after the election that Clinton had no “mandate” because “57 percent of the Americans who voted in the presidential election voted against Bill Clinton.”

Dole added: “I intend to represent that majority on the floor of the U.S. Senate.” Presto: A drubbing becomes a triumph.

To this day, many Republicans believe, because they have said it so often, that Perot was the reason Bush lost. But the data showed conclusively that this was not true.

The Voter Research & Surveys exit poll that year found that 38 percent of Perot voters listed Clinton as their second choice, and 38 percent listed Bush. The rest said they wouldn’t have voted if Perot hadn’t run.

Thus, a reallocation of Perot’s second choices showed that even if Perot hadn’t run, Clinton would have led Bush by roughly the same popular vote margin. And, at most, only Ohio would have flipped to Bush, leaving Clinton with a still-robust 349 electoral vote haul.

But the truth never caught up. Clinton was hobbled right out of the gate.

In 2008, Barack Obama defeated John McCain by such an overwhelming margin (9.5 million popular votes, 365 to 173 in the electoral college) that even the most creative Republicans couldn’t spin that outcome into a defeat. But along came “birtherism,” the false charge (touted most notably by a guy named Trump) that Obama was ineligible to be president because he had not been born in the United States.

We forget how powerful a hold birtherism had on Republicans and how long it has hung around. The lie was ridiculous, outrageous and racist all at once. Obama kept hoping that the claim’s self-evident absurdity would discredit it. When that didn’t happen, he finally — more than two years after he was inaugurated — released his long-form birth certificate proving he had been born in Hawaii.

Even then, Trump wouldn’t give it up. For example, he tweeted on Aug. 6, 2012: “An extremely credible source has called my office and told me that @Barack-Obama’s birth certificate is a fraud.”

This is the man Republicans are backing up as he makes equally ludicrous claims about our election. They are doing it to make sure Trump voters in Georgia turn out for two Republican senators in a January runoff election. They are doing it because they fear Trump. But they are also doing it to weaken Biden and make it harder for him to govern.

And notice how Republicans have escalated their level of irresponsibility over the years. They started with a phony election analysis in 1992; by 2008, they were allowing a wild lie to poison the consciousness of their base. Now, they are willing to do something even worse. As Daniel Ziblatt, co-author of “How Democracies Die,” said in an interview, the GOP could “damage the legitimacy not just of Biden but of our democracy as a whole.”

Biden keeps telling us: “We are not enemies. We are Americans.”

That’s decent and honorable. But enemies or not, the Republican Party’s leaders are behaving like a nest of vipers. Be wary, Mr. President-elect.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/of-course-republicans-are-doing-this-its-who-they-are/2020/11/11/ba57f780-2455-11eb-8672-c281c7a2c96e_story.html

[homersapien 11,393]

6 minutes ago, I_M4_AU said:

Your media truth filters have been clogged and they are now in bypass mode, it seems like about 4 years now.  You might want to have the replaced.

Wrong forum.  Go back to smack talk and stay there if you can't do better.

[McLoofus 35,182]

12 hours ago, CleCoTiger said:

You're not being honest with yourself. Acceptance? Yup. Hillary conceded. And four years ago yesterday Obama met with Trump in the White House to congratulate him. Same for Biden meeting with Pence. As far as Russia, I suggest you actually look into what the Republican chaired Intelligence Committee in the Senate found and stop listening to partisan sources and Trump.

People like that, you're asking them to completely rewire their entire psyche. Normal folks like yourself follow facts and logic wherever they lead. People like that start at the desired conclusion- in this case, dictated to them by the dick tater- and then just roll with whatever story gets them there. The more exciting the ride, the better. They genuinely do believe that "facts" matter most. They just don't actually understand what facts are or how they come to be. 

[homersapien 11,393]

8 minutes ago, McLoofus said:

People like that, you're asking them to completely rewire their entire psyche. Normal folks like yourself follow facts and logic wherever they lead. People like that start at the desired conclusion- in this case, dictated to them by the dick tater- and then just roll with whatever story gets them there. The more exciting the ride, the better. They genuinely do believe that "facts" matter most. They just don't actually understand what facts are or how they come to be. 

And it's getting worse, thanks to modern "technology".   We are on a hell bound train.

 

[aubiefifty 16,822]

14 hours ago, jj3jordan said:

Anybody see any high road traffic or reconciliation or acceptance or moving on or setting a good example after 2016? All I saw was the opposite. Four years of Russia Ukraine urination attacks by fbi cia special counsels impeachment blah blah blah.   It’s laughable for you to suggest or demand pleasant treatment after your performance the last four years.

dude can you read? i said" i " was going to try and take the high road. how do you screw that up jj? serious?

[jj3jordan 2,056]

3 hours ago, aubiefifty said:

dude can you read? i said" i " was going to try and take the high road. how do you screw that up jj? serious?

Not addressed to you fidy. Just a general question aimed at those on the left who are now urging all of us on the right to move on accept the results. Some people are so used to hypocrisy they can't see it. Admirations for you trying to not gloat but giving yourself an out.  It will take more than that to rectify the nasty, filthy, obscene insults you hurled at Trump, me, and all other supporters.  But thanks.

[aubiefifty 16,822]

1 hour ago, jj3jordan said:

Not addressed to you fidy. Just a general question aimed at those on the left who are now urging all of us on the right to move on accept the results. Some people are so used to hypocrisy they can't see it. Admirations for you trying to not gloat but giving yourself an out.  It will take more than that to rectify the nasty, filthy, obscene insults you hurled at Trump, me, and all other supporters.  But thanks.

fine. words matter and character matters and most of you guys did not care. i took the gloves off when youo guys took up for trump with the handicapped guy on national television. i am still pissed for the record at some of the stuff trump has done. and i am pissed the way you guys treated the omg it is a black guy for president thing. as for giving myself an out i have little faith in most of you trumpers doing the right thing. you do what you gotta do. i do hope most of you are still here when they start looking close at trump and barr and a few others. but again, you guys will not care how bad him and his folks break the law. he is damaging our country right not being stupid and you guys are fine with it. you claim fake news and i say yes it is. trump and his stupid lawsuits are getting thrown out of court pretty quick. anyway i just wanted you to know i really do not care if you like my stuff on here. trump did way worse than i ever thought about doing but that was ok because you guys were pretty much lying every single time you opened your mouth.

[jj3jordan 2,056]

5 hours ago, aubiefifty said:

fine. words matter and character matters and most of you guys did not care. i took the gloves off when youo guys took up for trump with the handicapped guy on national television. i am still pissed for the record at some of the stuff trump has done. and i am pissed the way you guys treated the omg it is a black guy for president thing. as for giving myself an out i have little faith in most of you trumpers doing the right thing. you do what you gotta do. i do hope most of you are still here when they start looking close at trump and barr and a few others. but again, you guys will not care how bad him and his folks break the law. he is damaging our country right not being stupid and you guys are fine with it. you claim fake news and i say yes it is. trump and his stupid lawsuits are getting thrown out of court pretty quick. anyway i just wanted you to know i really do not care if you like my stuff on here. trump did way worse than i ever thought about doing but that was ok because you guys were pretty much lying every single time you opened your mouth.

It's laughable for you to speak of Trump breaking the law.  Biden, Hillary, Holder, Obama, Comey, Brennen, Clapper, McCabe, Rosenstein, Lynch, Strzok, Page.  Nobody here treated Obama any worse because he is black (half black). If anything, less so. 

[aubiefifty 16,822]

10 hours ago, jj3jordan said:

It's laughable for you to speak of Trump breaking the law.  Biden, Hillary, Holder, Obama, Comey, Brennen, Clapper, McCabe, Rosenstein, Lynch, Strzok, Page.  Nobody here treated Obama any worse because he is black (half black). If anything, less so. 

what is going to be laughable is hearing you trumpers crying when the law starts coming down on trump and barr and the other thugs. i will start a go fund me for a large shipment of tissue for you guys.

[homersapien 11,393]

11 hours ago, jj3jordan said:

It's laughable for you to speak of Trump breaking the law.  Biden, Hillary, Holder, Obama, Comey, Brennen, Clapper, McCabe, Rosenstein, Lynch, Strzok, Page.  Nobody here treated Obama any worse because he is black (half black). If anything, less so. 

 

23 hours ago, McLoofus said:

People like that, you're asking them to completely rewire their entire psyche. Normal folks like yourself follow facts and logic wherever they lead. People like that start at the desired conclusion- in this case, dictated to them by the dick tater- and then just roll with whatever story gets them there. The more exciting the ride, the better. They genuinely do believe that "facts" matter most. They just don't actually understand what facts are or how they come to be.