Mo Brooks

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2 minutes ago, jj3jordan said:

He was kind of creepy. Turned it around though. Not that it makes it okay back then. 

Did he though?

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14 minutes ago, TitanTiger said:

Did he though?

According to him. Hasn't he been happily married to one of them for a long time?  I will admit I don't keep up with him so my info is old.

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1 hour ago, AU9377 said:

The culture war lines are really tired.  I'm no fan of the far left, but I am also not afraid of any one group of people that happen to be different. 

There is a lot to unpack here.  This one first.  There is no *one group* anymore to the left’s way of thinking.  It’s a coalition of separate identities that are seeking power over what has been the norm.  If this was just a way of getting equal treatment, well that would be ok, but it isn’t. It’s not equality this coalition wants, its pay back for perceived wrong doings.  I’m not saying this coalition has not been wronged, its just they haven't been wronged by every person they feel that are responsible for their plight.  

1 hour ago, AU9377 said:

What solutions to problems have you heard from the far right lately? 

The solutions are getting back to a truthful curriculum being taught in schools, a more secure boarder, resistance to allowing men is women sports, trying to let children grow up before being forced to make a life changing decision about what gender they are, among others too numerous to mention.

1 hour ago, AU9377 said:

Now we hear that Russia's build up on the border of Ukraine is an example of Biden's soft approach to foreign policy.  Really?  Did I miss where Biden met with Putin and kissed his ass like a servant to his master?

Do you think the way Biden withdrew from Afghanistan had any effect on Putin’s decision?  Do you think lifting sanctions on Nord Stream 2 within 5 days of Biden taking office gave Putin confidence to take Ukraine?   Russia isn’t even that big of a threat.  China is watching and will act with regard to Taiwan no matter what Joe does with Ukraine.  The world is watching.

As for Trump kissing Putin’s a$$, there were absolutely no threats of war during Trumps administration.  Every President is faced with a crisis in the first year of their administration.  Most of Joe’s problems are self inflicted.

1 hour ago, AU9377 said:

I have never claimed that men are or can be women or the opposite.  I have also never seen a topic elevated in importance like that one by one group seeking to stoke some cultural divide.  I will credit the far right for their ability to find people and issues thru which they can funnel all of their incessant need to have some sort of public stoning.  They find groups that literally can't fight back.  Is that what courage looks like?

You have never claimed that men can be women, I would think, because they can’t.  They can only think that way and have surgeries to achieve their fantasies.  The issue most people have is when schools allow boys in the girls bathrooms it causes problems.  See Loudoun County schools. Youngkin beat out a Democrat just based on this and that is because the majority of parents don’t go along with what the school system has implemented.  Leave the kids out of grown up’s problems.

The parents protesting school boards over this type of thing is what courage looks like.

As to can’t fight back; the SCOTUS has determined that LGBQT+ people come under the protection of the 1964 Civil Rights act as sex discrimination. I believe they can fight back.

 

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1 hour ago, jj3jordan said:

According to him. Hasn't he been happily married to one of them for a long time?  I will admit I don't keep up with him so my info is old.

I mean, he did manage to stop mackin' on teenagers when he decided to marry a woman 14 years his junior.  Or did was he just a little more patient this time?

Moore first saw his future wife, Kayla Kisor, when she was in her mid-teens performing at a dance recital. Moore was 31 at the time. In his 2005 autobiography, Moore described his reaction, writing: "I knew Kayla was going to be a special person in my life."^[238] In 1984, Moore and Kayla Kisor Heald met again at a Christmas party, but she was then a married mother. She filed for divorce from her first husband on December 28, 1984, and was divorced on April 19, 1985. Roy Moore married Kayla on December 14, 1985. He was 38; she was 24.^[239]They have four adult children.^[240]

^{https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_Moore#Sexual_misconduct_allegations}

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1 hour ago, I_M4_AU said:

There is a lot to unpack here.  This one first.  There is no *one group* anymore to the left’s way of thinking.  It’s a coalition of separate identities that are seeking power over what has been the norm.  If this was just a way of getting equal treatment, well that would be ok, but it isn’t. It’s not equality this coalition wants, its pay back for perceived wrong doings.  I’m not saying this coalition has not been wronged, its just they haven't been wronged by every person they feel that are responsible for their plight.

 

You totally missed 9377s point.

And there certainly is not a "coalition" of 'one groups' trying to "seeking power" over what has been the norm.

The "lefts" way of thinking is inclusive of people who may not exist in the norm, largely through no conscience decision of their own (as in sexual orientation or identity).  The liberal/progressive mind tolerates such people as long as they aren't harming anyone else, especially if they have talent or thoughts to contribute.

This tolerance of the non-conformist as individuals extends to a concern that such people are not persecuted for simply being different.

This is one of the fundamental differences between conservative and liberal mindsets/worldviews.  Conservatives are not as accepting of people who violate what (they consider) to be the norm.  Liberals for better (or possibly worse) are naturally more tolerant and accepting of such people.

As for this idea they want more than simple acceptance ("payback") for being different, that sounds to me nothing more than weaponizing your conservative prejudice. 

Sure, there may be the odd individual who might think that way, but to characterize a group as such borders on evil paranoia.

What would Jesus do?

Edited January 31, 2022 by homersapien

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1 hour ago, I_M4_AU said:

You have never claimed that men can be women, I would think, because they can’t.  They can only think that way and have surgeries to achieve their fantasies.  The issue most people have is when schools allow boys in the girls bathrooms it causes problems. 

This sounds like a statement from someone who doesn't understand the role of the brain in one's sense of self identity.

Have you ever considered that surgically altering a newborn male born without male genitalia to resemble a female (and vice versa) doesn't actually make them a female or male respectively?

The meme "I think therefore I am" is literally true, both philosophically and literally.

 

Edited January 31, 2022 by homersapien

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1 hour ago, I_M4_AU said:

The parents protesting school boards over this type of thing is what courage looks like.

 

Yeah, the exact same way that burning witches was what courage looked like a few hundred years ago.

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7 hours ago, AU9377 said:

The culture war lines are really tired.  I'm no fan of the far left, but I am also not afraid of any one group of people that happen to be different.  What solutions to problems have you heard from the far right lately?  I have heard none.  All I hear are dog whistles.  The blacks want to take what is yours.  The gays want to convert your children.  Men wanting to be women are taking over women's sports.  Immigrants are all drug smugglers and criminals.  Of course, my favorite is calling people socialists or communists without knowing what the words mean.

You are 100% correct that there are many in the republican party saying exactly what is in the bold print. That is reprehensible.

But remember that many in the democrat party are saying that all whites are racist and want to keep blacks in their place and that religious people want to deprogram gays against their will and that formerly biologically male people who feel like women are now actually women and that the immigrants coming in through the southern border or all oppressed and deserve asylum. And what about the liberals frequently comparing Trump to Hitler without knowing anything about Hitler's beliefs or programs.

My point is, the republican party sux. Absolutely! But the democrat party is not the answer either.

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4 hours ago, homersapien said:

You totally missed 9377s point.

And there certainly is not a "coalition" of 'one groups' trying to "seeking power" over what has been the norm.

The "lefts" way of thinking is inclusive of people who may not exist in the norm, largely through no conscience decision of their own (as in sexual orientation or identity).  The liberal/progressive mind tolerates such people as long as they aren't harming anyone else, especially if they have talent or thoughts to contribute.

This tolerance of the non-conformist as individuals extends to a concern that such people are not persecuted for simply being different.

This is one of the fundamental differences between conservative and liberal mindsets/worldviews.  Conservatives are not as accepting of people who violate what (they consider) to be the norm.  Liberals for better (or possibly worse) are naturally more tolerant and accepting of such people.

As for this idea they want more than simple acceptance ("payback") for being different, that sounds to me nothing more than weaponizing your conservative prejudice. 

Sure, there may be the odd individual who might think that way, but to characterize a group as such borders on evil paranoia.

What would Jesus do?

Hilarious! The dems include anyone who they think will vote for them. So will the repubs.

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4 hours ago, homersapien said:

This sounds like a statement from someone who doesn't understand the role of the brain in one's sense of self identity.

Have you ever considered that surgically altering a newborn male born without male genitalia to resemble a female (and vice versa) doesn't actually make them a female or male respectively?

The meme "I think therefore I am" is literally true, both philosophically and literally.

 

Do "literally" and "scientifically" mean the same thing?

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20 hours ago, Grumps said:

You are 100% correct that there are many in the republican party saying exactly what is in the bold print. That is reprehensible.

But remember that many in the democrat party are saying that all whites are racist and want to keep blacks in their place and that religious people want to deprogram gays against their will and that formerly biologically male people who feel like women are now actually women and that the immigrants coming in through the southern border or all oppressed and deserve asylum. And what about the liberals frequently comparing Trump to Hitler without knowing anything about Hitler's beliefs or programs.

My point is, the republican party sux. Absolutely! But the democrat party is not the answer either.

We can't afford to wait for "the answer", what we need immediately is an alternative to Trump and MAGA Republicans.

Edited February 1, 2022 by homersapien

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19 hours ago, Grumps said:

Do "literally" and "scientifically" mean the same thing?

Nature is literally true, by definition.  Science's purpose is to reveal nature.

So you figure it out.

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On 1/31/2022 at 7:38 PM, Grumps said:

Hilarious! The dems include anyone who they think will vote for them. So will the repubs.

No it's not "hilarious".

I was explaining in general the difference between how progressives and conservatives typically view people with different sexualities . 

It really has nothing to do with politics.  I am referring to personal proclivities based on human nature. As you might expect, conservatives see such people as a threat to themselves and their families as well as the traditional order, progressives do not. (Such research on liberal and conservative psychologies is not rare.  I can provide you some links if you want.)

Anyway, the difference is clearly evident on this forum.  Some posters have ascribed some sort of power politics to these groups (thus a threat to the status quo), whereas people like myself simply see such groups looking for equality or respect. In short, IMO, it's simply about "live and let live" not gaining leverage over others.

Obviously, what you said holds true if you are just considering political parties, but I am talking about the different psychologies of conservative and liberal mindsets.

 

Edited February 2, 2022 by homersapien

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3 hours ago, homersapien said:

No it's not "hilarious".

I was explaining in general the difference between how progressives and conservatives typically view people with different sexualities . 

It really has nothing to do with politics.  I am referring to personal proclivities based on human nature. As you might expect, conservatives see such people as a threat to themselves and their families as well as the traditional order, progressives do not. (Such research on liberal and conservative psychologies is not rare.  I can provide you some links if you want.)

Anyway, the difference is clearly evident on this forum.  Some posters have ascribed some sort of power politics to these groups (thus a threat to the status quo), whereas people like myself simply see such groups looking for equality or respect. In short, IMO it's simply about "live and let live" not gaining leverage over others.

Obviously, what you said holds true if you are just considering political parties, but I am talking about the different psychologies of conservative and liberal mindsets.

 

Ok. I'd love to see the links.

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3 hours ago, homersapien said:

Nature is literally true, by definition.  Science's purpose is to reveal nature.

So you figure it out.

I will just assume that I misunderstood what you meant by the quote, "I think, therefore I am" in the context in which you used it.

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On 1/31/2022 at 1:52 PM, I_M4_AU said:

There is a lot to unpack here.  This one first.  There is no *one group* anymore to the left’s way of thinking.  It’s a coalition of separate identities that are seeking power over what has been the norm.  If this was just a way of getting equal treatment, well that would be ok, but it isn’t. It’s not equality this coalition wants, its pay back for perceived wrong doings.  I’m not saying this coalition has not been wronged, its just they haven't been wronged by every person they feel that are responsible for their plight.  

The solutions are getting back to a truthful curriculum being taught in schools, a more secure boarder, resistance to allowing men is women sports, trying to let children grow up before being forced to make a life changing decision about what gender they are, among others too numerous to mention.

Do you think the way Biden withdrew from Afghanistan had any effect on Putin’s decision?  Do you think lifting sanctions on Nord Stream 2 within 5 days of Biden taking office gave Putin confidence to take Ukraine?   Russia isn’t even that big of a threat.  China is watching and will act with regard to Taiwan no matter what Joe does with Ukraine.  The world is watching.

As for Trump kissing Putin’s a$$, there were absolutely no threats of war during Trumps administration.  Every President is faced with a crisis in the first year of their administration.  Most of Joe’s problems are self inflicted.

You have never claimed that men can be women, I would think, because they can’t.  They can only think that way and have surgeries to achieve their fantasies.  The issue most people have is when schools allow boys in the girls bathrooms it causes problems.  See Loudoun County schools. Youngkin beat out a Democrat just based on this and that is because the majority of parents don’t go along with what the school system has implemented.  Leave the kids out of grown up’s problems.

The parents protesting school boards over this type of thing is what courage looks like.

As to can’t fight back; the SCOTUS has determined that LGBQT+ people come under the protection of the 1964 Civil Rights act as sex discrimination. I believe they can fight back.

 

Protecting people from being fired simply due to who they are sexually attracted to (certainly not a choice) has nothing to do with the transexual conversation or men participating in women's sports. 

Trump is now running an ad in Georgia endorsing the former Senator in his run for governor against Brian Kemp, Georgia's current Republican governor, because he refused to help Trump alter the results of the last election.  The fact that some people think that is acceptable is pathetic.

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13 hours ago, AU9377 said:

Protecting people from being fired simply due to who they are sexually attracted to (certainly not a choice) has nothing to do with the transexual conversation or men participating in women's sports. 

Trump is now running an ad in Georgia endorsing the former Senator in his run for governor against Brian Kemp, Georgia's current Republican governor, because he refused to help Trump alter the results of the last election.  The fact that some people think that is acceptable is pathetic.

Yes it does have something to do with Transexuals.  The NCAA is treating trans women as women solely based on the recent SCOTUS decision.  That’s the reason to put the T in the LGBQTI+ Coalition is all about.

The people of Georgia will have the chance to decide who will represent the Republican’s for their Governor. 

Edited February 2, 2022 by I_M4_AU

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18 hours ago, Grumps said:

I will just assume that I misunderstood what you meant by the quote, "I think, therefore I am" in the context in which you used it.

Assuming you misunderstood is never a bad bet.

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18 hours ago, Grumps said:

Ok. I'd love to see the links.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/conservative-and-liberal-brains-might-have-some-real-differences/

https://www.thescienceofpsychotherapy.com/conservative-brains-vs-liberal-brains/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3092984/

https://bigthink.com/videos/gail-saltz-the-brain-differences-of-liberals-versus-conservatives/

https://neuro.psychiatryonline.org/doi/10.1176/appi.neuropsych.16030051

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-020-72980-x

https://www.nyu.edu/about/news-publications/news/2020/november/conservatives-and-liberals-motivated-by-different-psychological-.html

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2019/03/the-yuck-factor/580465/

https://www.brown.edu/news/2021-05-13/polarization

https://www.discovermagazine.com/mind/your-brain-on-politics-the-cognitive-neuroscience-of-liberals-and-conservatives

 

There are many more, including entire books which I didn't try to include.

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21 hours ago, Grumps said:

conservatives see such people as a threat to themselves and their families as well as the traditional order, progressives do not.

Thanks for the links! I have only been through two so far. I still have not seen anything to support this statement, but I will continue to look for it.

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20 hours ago, Grumps said:

Thanks for the links! I have only been through two so far. I still have not seen anything to support this statement, but I will continue to look for it.

That statement is the very basis of the conservative mindset.  Pretty much everything else flows from it. 

Not saying that it's a generally bad mindset, after all it's a good and proven strategy for survival for both individuals and societies. (Undoubtedly, that's why conservatives typically outnumber liberals.)

Why else would anyone object to another person's sexual aberration?