Georgia Republicans rebuke Trump in landslide.

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I predicted a Kemp win, but even I was stunned that Trump's endorsement was more of a weight around the neck of candidates than a life raft. David Perdue would still be a U.S. Senator had he not hitched himself to Trump.  He didn't learn the first time, but I would be willing to bet he learned yesterday.

 

https://apnews.com/article/2022-midterms-results-6abc8a67a708c9c90d32022eb08fe544

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I think it’s more of a rebuke of the candidate.  There are a lot of candidates that Trump supported that won, and some that lost.  His endorsement certainly means something, but isn’t (and shouldn’t be) the deciding factor.  

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Trump exposes the Republican party but, does not define the Republican party. 

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5 hours ago, GoAU said:

I think it’s more of a rebuke of the candidate.  There are a lot of candidates that Trump supported that won, and some that lost.  His endorsement certainly means something, but isn’t (and shouldn’t be) the deciding factor.  

Trump's problem in Georgia is his refusal to admit the truth about the 2020 election.  He came after Kemp with everything he had because Kemp refused to play ball and help him change the outcome of a valid election.  When people see you lie about something that important, they begin to ask what else you are willing to do to put self before country?  A large number or Republican voters work in the precincts.  Many of them realized just how insulting to Georgians that Trump's accusations really were. Kemp's popularity soared when Trump came after him. Kemp ended up with around 76% of the vote.

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23 minutes ago, AU9377 said:

Trump's problem in Georgia is his refusal to admit the truth about the 2020 election.  He came after Kemp with everything he had because Kemp refused to play ball and help him change the outcome of a valid election.  When people see you lie about something that important, they begin to ask what else you are willing to do to put self before country?  A large number or Republican voters work in the precincts.  Many of them realized just how insulting to Georgians that Trump's accusations really were. Kemp's popularity soared when Trump came after him. Kemp ended up with around 76% of the vote.

I'm just not sure it is that easy to dissect.  Other candidates who support the "stolen" election lie won. 

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11 minutes ago, icanthearyou said:

I'm just not sure it is that easy to dissect.  Other candidates who support the "stolen" election lie won. 

Yes, but in Georgia that only happened in the Georgia 14th Congressional primary. Good ole crazy lady MTG won her primary.  Around the South, I would agree with you.  As long as Fox and other media outlets push lies like the election steal etc, many will never change their minds.  That kind of media is a danger to this country's very existence and I don't know who to blame more, the media outlets themselves, or the eagerness to be as ignorant as possible and believe it all without questioning the facts.

Herschel Walker didn't need Trump's endorsement to win the race, but it certainly helped him at the start of his campaign.  The clock is on now to see if Walker will actually agree to a debate.  He cannot hold his own with Warnock and, for that reason, I will be shocked if he agrees to debate him.

Edited May 26, 2022 by AU9377

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6 minutes ago, AU9377 said:

As long as Fox and other media outlets push lies like the election steal etc, many will never change their minds.  That kind of media is a danger to this country's very existence and I don't know who to blame more, the media outlets themselves, or the eagerness to be as ignorant as possible and believe it all without questioning the facts.

I completely agree. 

It's not democracy that is messy.  Freedom itself is messy.  I have to wonder if the destruction of our government is actually the goal.  In other words, when freedom becomes too messy, will we welcome for the authoritarian takeover.

 

 

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10 hours ago, AU9377 said:

As long as Fox and other media outlets push lies like the election steal etc, many will never change their minds.  That kind of media is a danger to this country's very existence and I don't know who to blame more, the media outlets themselves, or the eagerness to be as ignorant as possible and believe it all without questioning the facts.

You mention Fox, but I assume you also recognize the bias and misrepresentation on the other side of the spectrum?

10 hours ago, icanthearyou said:

I completely agree. 

It's not democracy that is messy.  Freedom itself is messy.  I have to wonder if the destruction of our government is actually the goal.  In other words, when freedom becomes too messy, will we welcome for the authoritarian takeover.

What’s ironic is many on the right feel the exact same was about the left.  
 

it makes me wonder about the future of our nation.  Clearly there are significant differences between left and right, and one side trying to drive the other side into submission (either way) won’t have good outcomes.  I’ve advocated for more state (vs Federal) control to give more autonomy to the different regional cultures we have.  Obviously that meets resistance.   
 

Not sure what the answer is, but I sure hope we get something figured out because this path doesn’t seem tenable.  

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4 minutes ago, GoAU said:

You mention Fox, but I assume you also recognize the bias and misrepresentation on the other side of the spectrum?

What’s ironic is many on the right feel the exact same was about the left.  
 

it makes me wonder about the future of our nation.  Clearly there are significant differences between left and right, and one side trying to drive the other side into submission (either way) won’t have good outcomes.  I’ve advocated for more state (vs Federal) control to give more autonomy to the different regional cultures we have.  Obviously that meets resistance.   
 

Not sure what the answer is, but I sure hope we get something figured out because this path doesn’t seem tenable.  

The difference between what Fox does in its prime time lineup and what all the others do is stark at best.  I am tired of equating what Fox does with what MSNBC does because they are growing less and less comparable.  MSNBC has a left leaning slant, but Fox, thru its allegiance to Tucker Carlson and Hannity, among others, has become a detriment to society.  Fox appeals to the worst impulses people have and they exploit them.  The worst part is that they exploit them for profit.

The Murdochs were literally run out of the U.K. because of their actions.  We should be so lucky.  When the old man dies, the United States of America will be a little better the next day.

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10 hours ago, icanthearyou said:

I completely agree. 

It's not democracy that is messy.  Freedom itself is messy.  I have to wonder if the destruction of our government is actually the goal.  In other words, when freedom becomes too messy, will we welcome for the authoritarian takeover.

 

 

I won’t (personally). 

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1 hour ago, AU9377 said:

The difference between what Fox does in its prime time lineup and what all the others do is stark at best.  I am tired of equating what Fox does with what MSNBC does because they are growing less and less comparable.  MSNBC has a left leaning slant, but Fox, thru its allegiance to Tucker Carlson and Hannity, among others, has become a detriment to society.  Fox appeals to the worst impulses people have and they exploit them.  The worst part is that they exploit them for profit.

The Murdochs were literally run out of the U.K. because of their actions.  We should be so lucky.  When the old man dies, the United States of America will be a little better the next day.

I won’t even begin to deny a hard right lean to the right, but to say the equal, but opposite lean doesn’t happen on CNN and MSNBC isn’t being honest.  
 

The reason you say Fox is a detriment to society is based on your personal beliefs and biases.  People in the right feel the same about CNN and MSNBC. 

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17 minutes ago, GoAU said:

I won’t even begin to deny a hard right lean to the right, but to say the equal, but opposite lean doesn’t happen on CNN and MSNBC isn’t being honest.  
 

The reason you say Fox is a detriment to society is based on your personal beliefs and biases.  People in the right feel the same about CNN and MSNBC. 

Disagree.  Fox is more than biased, less than honest.

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5 hours ago, GoAU said:

You mention Fox, but I assume you also recognize the bias and misrepresentation on the other side of the spectrum?

What’s ironic is many on the right feel the exact same was about the left.  
 

it makes me wonder about the future of our nation.  Clearly there are significant differences between left and right, and one side trying to drive the other side into submission (either way) won’t have good outcomes.  I’ve advocated for more state (vs Federal) control to give more autonomy to the different regional cultures we have.  Obviously that meets resistance.   
 

Not sure what the answer is, but I sure hope we get something figured out because this path doesn’t seem tenable.  

The reality is that I am not someone that people consider to be "on the left" on many issues.  Unfortunately, what used to be the center is now considered left and being right of center for some means being a right wing extremist.  I get angry if CNN makes something all about race.  I don't watch anything related to Don Lemon because of that.  I never watch MSNBC.  I only tune into Fox to see what the latest angle is going to be.  It is so unbelievably predictable that half the time I sit and laugh and the other half I turn off the tv. 

For example, if someone watches only Fox, they know little to nothing about the impeachment trial and evidence that was presented.  That makes it impossible to reason with them.  They simply don't have the information to discuss it honestly.  One friend of mine had no idea that any recordings even existed.

Fox profits from the partisan divide.  As a business model, I admire their ability to focus on a way to hold their audience.  Unfortunately, they will cultivate that divide regardless of whether it is good for the country or not.  They drive a wedge so deep that agreement is impossible.

Edited May 26, 2022 by AU9377

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Agree, and I also use multiple sources and encourage everyone to do the same. However, if you only look at CNN lately you would have missed the testimony of Clinton’s attorney where he stated she approved to initiate the Russian collusion campaign, creating the “Resistance”, and bogging down the government for years.  
 

you may have also missed most of the fact that the Hunter Biden laptop story was real, and is still being swept under the rug.  
 

Don’t kid yourself that CNN isn’t biased too, it’s just that you agree with it more. 

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1 hour ago, GoAU said:

However, if you only look at CNN lately you would have missed the testimony of Clinton’s attorney where he stated she approved to initiate the Russian collusion campaign, creating the “Resistance”, and bogging down the government for years.

That is not entirely true.  Meetings with Russians, lying about meetings with Russians, claims of Russian financing, directly asking for Russian involvement, the Russians themselves aiding the Trump campaign are also big factors in the FBI's investigation.  And don't forget, the AAG limited the scope of the investigation.

You know, just to be fair.

 

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22 hours ago, GoAU said:

Agree, and I also use multiple sources and encourage everyone to do the same. However, if you only look at CNN lately you would have missed the testimony of Clinton’s attorney where he stated she approved to initiate the Russian collusion campaign, creating the “Resistance”, and bogging down the government for years.  
 

you may have also missed most of the fact that the Hunter Biden laptop story was real, and is still being swept under the rug.  
 

Don’t kid yourself that CNN isn’t biased too, it’s just that you agree with it more. 

CNN has bias.  What they don't have is an entertainment division that some people confuse as being news.  I can't stand watching CNN if some racially motivated tragedy has occurred.  They milk it and exploit it.  What they don't do is change the facts surrounding it.

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8 minutes ago, AU9377 said:

What they don't do is change the facts surrounding it.

Fiery, but mostly peaceful.

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2 hours ago, AU9377 said:

What they don't do is change the facts surrounding it.

This is the most ludicrous statement I’ve read all day.  Lying by omission is rampant as is peddling false narratives.  

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The media is not the problem.  Those who only consume, believe devoutly in, "their" preferred media are the problem.

I don't expect the media to not be biased.  I do expect educated people to have the ability to honestly appraise that bias, and their own.  It would help if we taught honest history rather than romanticized history.

When you remove the noise,  the choice is actually quite clear.

Party A:  government gets out of the way of the capitalists and effectively gives them control over the economy and society, trickle down theory.

Party B:  government takes an active role in the effort to balance the interests of capital and society, democratic socialism.

And, you cannot intelligently answer that question with your "ideology".  You have to honestly appraise the current conditions. 

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18 hours ago, GoAU said:

This is the most ludicrous statement I’ve read all day.  Lying by omission is rampant as is peddling false narratives.  

I'll be more specific.  CNN, who I can't believe that I am actually defending, has no lineup of primetime shock jocks (for lack of a better phrase).  Hannity and Tucker Carlson deliberately cater to some of the worst instincts in American culture. "Judge Jeanine" was cancelled for being too crazy and then put on a show with 4 other similar creatures.  I was sitting in a waiting room one morning a couple of years ago and had to just burst out laughing when Jeanine Pirro came on in the middle of the afternoon and began her segment with "Today is a great day to be an American.... we have a real American President that cares for you and deserves our loyalty and support.  We should begin every day with the pledge of allegiance to both America and the leader of the free world, the man respected around the world, President Donald J Trump."  

I wouldn't have been surprised if someone had demanded that all stand and give the good ole Heil Hitler.

I understand that Fox classifies these people as not part of their news division, but the average American doesn't know that.  The average American understands that they come on a channel called Fox NEWS.  The Murdoch family did this same thing in the U.K.  They went as far as to tap the phones of members of parliament and the royal family.  They held hearings and forced Murdoch to testify before parliament about his motives.  U.K. regulators did everything they could to prevent Fox from buying a controlling interest in Sky News, clearly concluding that it was not in the public interest for Fox to control media coverage due to their established pattern of cultivating news coverage to push division withing society.

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1 hour ago, AU9377 said:

I'll be more specific.  CNN, who I can't believe that I am actually defending, has no lineup of primetime shock jocks (for lack of a better phrase).  Hannity and Tucker Carlson deliberately cater to some of the worst instincts in American culture. "Judge Jeanine" was cancelled for being too crazy and then put on a show with 4 other similar creatures.  I was sitting in a waiting room one morning a couple of years ago and had to just burst out laughing when Jeanine Pirro came on in the middle of the afternoon and began her segment with "Today is a great day to be an American.... we have a real American President that cares for you and deserves our loyalty and support.  We should begin every day with the pledge of allegiance to both America and the leader of the free world, the man respected around the world, President Donald J Trump."  

I wouldn't have been surprised if someone had demanded that all stand and give the good ole Heil Hitler.

I understand that Fox classifies these people as not part of their news division, but the average American doesn't know that.  The average American understands that they come on a channel called Fox NEWS.  The Murdoch family did this same thing in the U.K.  They went as far as to tap the phones of members of parliament and the royal family.  They held hearings and forced Murdoch to testify before parliament about his motives.  U.K. regulators did everything they could to prevent Fox from buying a controlling interest in Sky News, clearly concluding that it was not in the public interest for Fox to control media coverage due to their established pattern of cultivating news coverage to push division withing society.

Thought we were done with the Trump is Hitler push, but here is 77 resurrecting it. Thats progress.

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Fox is in a class by themselves in terms of influence (viewership) or propaganda style. There is no equivalent anywhere else on the political spectrum. 

Presumably, Rupert Murdoch is very proud of what he's created.  It's unique. Uniquely evil, but unique.

Edited May 28, 2022 by homersapien

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Here's a suggestion. Don't consume political programming. Go outside, breath in the fresh air, work in the yard, visit a friend, read a book, learn a new skill, spend more time with your kids, meditate, pray......anything but clutter your mind with crap. 

Try this for one week and I promise you'll be better for it.

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On 5/26/2022 at 11:02 AM, icanthearyou said:

Disagree.  Fox is more than biased, less than honest.

Edited May 30, 2022 by DKW 86

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11 hours ago, creed said:

Here's a suggestion. Don't consume political programming. Go outside, breath in the fresh air, work in the yard, visit a friend, read a book, learn a new skill, spend more time with your kids, meditate, pray......anything but clutter your mind with crap. 

Try this for one week and I promise you'll be better for it.

Love this post, and try to do it as much as possible.  Unfortunately, if you don’t pay enough attention there’s a lot of damage that can be done in a very short time in Washington.  Kind of a balancing act.