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[icanthearyou 4,463]

I have never seen a country in which white men are treated with such prejudice.  The suffering and inhumanity put upon them is an abomination.  The fact that no one cares about them is a disgrace.

You poor white males be of good cheer.  In heaven, the last shall be first.

 

[SaturdayGT 719]

On 8/30/2022 at 12:54 PM, aubiefifty said:

and that right there is why racism is rampant in this country and little gets done about it.

Can you give examples?...I see it less and less...I do see racism, but it seems to be dying off with the boomer gen...even they are less likely bring up non white stuff than they would 20 years ago....

[Didba 5,256]

4 hours ago, SaturdayGT said:

Can you give examples?...I see it less and less...I do see racism, but it seems to be dying off with the boomer gen...even they are less likely bring up non white stuff than they would 20 years ago....

Strange I see it even more brazenly here in Texas than ever before. Lot of trumpers saying the quiet part out loud. 

[I_M4_AU 7,838]

10 hours ago, icanthearyou said:

I have never seen a country in which white men are treated with such prejudice.  The suffering and inhumanity put upon them is an abomination.  The fact that no one cares about them is a disgrace.

You poor white males be of good cheer.  In heaven, the last shall be first.

 

Your sarcasm is noted, but the point is missed and why do you point out just white men?  No one is saying white people are suffering and are put upon.  What is being said is if the statement like the one quoted were about POC it would not be accepted and called racist.  Why the double standard.  There should just be one standard, wouldn’t you agree?

[homersapien 11,373]

11 hours ago, SaturdayGT said:

Can you give examples?...I see it less and less...I do see racism, but it seems to be dying off with the boomer gen...even they are less likely bring up non white stuff than they would 20 years ago....

Here's a report giving the modern history, with current examples scattered throughout.

https://www.americanprogress.org/article/white-supremacy-returned-mainstream-politics/

The good news is that the politics of white supremacy is generally on the decline.  Trump revived it to a large degree, but I don't think those politics will continue to grow nationally, partly due to the generational change you mentioned.

Perhaps Trump actually did us a favor by encouraging these people to expose themselves more publicly?

 

Edited September 2, 2022 by homersapien

[homersapien 11,373]

1 hour ago, I_M4_AU said:

Your sarcasm is noted, but the point is missed and why do you point out just white men?  No one is saying white people are suffering and are put upon.  What is being said is if the statement like the one quoted were about POC it would not be accepted and called racist.  Why the double standard.  There should just be one standard, wouldn’t you agree?

Hah!

Tucker Carlson is making a living off it:

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2022/05/tucker-carlson-white-nationalism-fox-news-vdare-peter-brimelow.html

https://www.npr.org/2022/05/12/1098488908/has-tucker-carlson-created-the-most-racist-show-in-the-history-of-cable-news

https://www.wgbh.org/news/commentary/2021/04/15/tucker-carlson-is-a-white-supremacist-and-hes-giving-fox-viewers-exactly-what-they-want

 

[icanthearyou 4,463]

3 hours ago, I_M4_AU said:

Your sarcasm is noted, but the point is missed and why do you point out just white men?  No one is saying white people are suffering and are put upon.  What is being said is if the statement like the one quoted were about POC it would not be accepted and called racist.  Why the double standard.  There should just be one standard, wouldn’t you agree?

I am so sorry you have been discriminated against, persecuted, stripped of your human dignity.  Can I help you?

Indeed, the white southern male is truly a victim of racism.  I have been fortunate.  I understand some like yourself have not been so fortunate.  I would like to help you.

[I_M4_AU 7,838]

2 minutes ago, icanthearyou said:

I am so sorry you have been discriminated against, persecuted, stripped of your human dignity.  Can I help you?

Indeed, the white southern male is truly a victim of racism.  I have been fortunate.  I understand some like yourself have not been so fortunate.  I would like to help you.

Where have I said I have been discriminated against.  This is the leftist ploy.  I’m talking about double standards, keep up.  Do you believe we can reduce racism by being racist to any group?

[icanthearyou 4,463]

9 minutes ago, I_M4_AU said:

Where have I said I have been discriminated against.  This is the leftist ploy.  I’m talking about double standards, keep up.  Do you believe we can reduce racism by being racist to any group?

Are you a victim or not?

[jj3jordan 2,053]

14 hours ago, homersapien said:

Here's a report giving the modern history, with current examples scattered throughout.

https://www.americanprogress.org/article/white-supremacy-returned-mainstream-politics/

The good news is that the politics of white supremacy is generally on the decline.  Trump revived it to a large degree, but I don't think those politics will continue to grow nationally, partly due to the generational change you mentioned.

Perhaps Trump actually did us a favor by encouraging these people to expose themselves more publicly?

 

Sorry Homer wrong again. Trump did not revive it. Democrats did. Accusing Trump, the recipient of the NAACP award from JJ and AS(s) of being a racist. It was never true and is still not true. Racism will never die in this country as long as democrats have power and control of the media.

[aubiefifty 16,791]

On 9/1/2022 at 9:28 PM, SaturdayGT said:

Can you give examples?...I see it less and less...I do see racism, but it seems to be dying off with the boomer gen...even they are less likely bring up non white stuff than they would 20 years ago....

i hope you are right but people are getting angrier and angrier in this day and time. all of it seems to be race or politics. if blowing up a holy church with four little girls in it and dying from it i could not stop racism in it's tracks i fear we will never heal. well this and people are not getting the mental health they need.

[aubiefifty 16,791]

[homersapien 11,373]

12 hours ago, jj3jordan said:

Sorry Homer wrong again. Trump did not revive it. Democrats did. Accusing Trump, the recipient of the NAACP award from JJ and AS(s) of being a racist. It was never true and is still not true. Racism will never die in this country as long as democrats have power and control of the media.

Trump has most certainly energized white nationalists.

https://www.vox.com/21313021/trump-white-nationalism-supremacy-miller-bannon-immigration

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2021/09/donald-trump-white-supremacists-my-people

https://www.npr.org/2020/09/30/918483794/from-debate-stage-trump-declines-to-denounce-white-supremacy

https://www.businessinsider.com/trumps-history-of-support-from-white-supremacist-far-right-groups-2020-9

Now does that mean he is personally a racist?  Not necessarily.  But it certainly means he is willing to cynically exploit racists and racism for personal gain. 

Personally, I don't see much difference.

Edited September 3, 2022 by homersapien

[jj3jordan 2,053]

55 minutes ago, homersapien said:

Trump has most certainly energized white nationalists.

https://www.vox.com/21313021/trump-white-nationalism-supremacy-miller-bannon-immigration

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2021/09/donald-trump-white-supremacists-my-people

https://www.npr.org/2020/09/30/918483794/from-debate-stage-trump-declines-to-denounce-white-supremacy

https://www.businessinsider.com/trumps-history-of-support-from-white-supremacist-far-right-groups-2020-9

Now does that mean he is personally a racist?  Not necessarily.  But it certainly means he is willing to cynically exploit racists and racism for personal gain. 

Personally, I don't see much difference.

Trump energized a lot of people. Doesn’t mean he is a racist. Not surprised you don’t see a difference. 

[icanthearyou 4,463]

Racists have never seen racism or, any other racists. 

[homersapien 11,373]

46 minutes ago, jj3jordan said:

Trump energized a lot of people. Doesn’t mean he is a racist. Not surprised you don’t see a difference. 

Yeah, so did Hitler.

Anyone who deliberately energizes racists for support is no better than they are. Perhaps worse - assuming they know better.

You should be ashamed for not realizing that. That means you are ether a racist yourself or a complete fool with no integrity.

Edited September 3, 2022 by homersapien

[jj3jordan 2,053]

49 minutes ago, homersapien said:

Yeah, so did Hitler.

Anyone who deliberately energizes racists for support is no better than they are. Perhaps worse - assuming they know better.

You should be ashamed for not realizing that. That means you are ether a racist yourself or a complete fool with no integrity.

So we are back to Hitler now? Don’t you have any other despots you can insult half the country with? You should listen to your mother and your auntie.

[homersapien 11,373]

18 hours ago, jj3jordan said:

So we are back to Hitler now? Don’t you have any other despots you can insult half the country with? You should listen to your mother and your auntie.

Anyone who deliberately energizes racists for support is no better than they are. Perhaps worse - assuming they know better.

[jj3jordan 2,053]

1 hour ago, homersapien said:

Anyone who deliberately energizes racists for support is no better than they are. Perhaps worse - assuming they know better.

No one deliberately energized any racists for any reason. That is in your head. Seriously, you need parenting.

[homersapien 11,373]

2 hours ago, jj3jordan said:

No one deliberately energized any racists for any reason. That is in your head. Seriously, you need parenting.

Sorry you are mistaken:

https://theconversation.com/trumps-appeals-to-white-anxiety-are-not-dog-whistles-theyre-racism-146070

https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/30/opinions/trump-racism-at-first-presidential-debate-joseph/index.html

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/why-trumps-racist-appeals-might-be-less-effective-in-2020-than-they-were-in-2016/

https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2020-07-28/trumps-racist-behavior-presidential-politics-history

https://www.npr.org/2022/02/01/1077166847/trump-escalates-racist-rhetoric-plays-on-white-grievance-at-recent-rallies

 

This is only a partial sample of reporting on the matter -  I could go on.

Edited September 4, 2022 by homersapien

[aubiefifty 16,791]

15 minutes ago, homersapien said:

Sorry you are mistaken:

https://theconversation.com/trumps-appeals-to-white-anxiety-are-not-dog-whistles-theyre-racism-146070

https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/30/opinions/trump-racism-at-first-presidential-debate-joseph/index.html

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/why-trumps-racist-appeals-might-be-less-effective-in-2020-than-they-were-in-2016/

https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2020-07-28/trumps-racist-behavior-presidential-politics-history

https://www.npr.org/2022/02/01/1077166847/trump-escalates-racist-rhetoric-plays-on-white-grievance-at-recent-rallies

This is a partial sample.  I could go on.

he knows this homer. hell he heard trump say racists are good people or close to that. he called them something else but we know they are all racists.

[homersapien 11,373]

12 minutes ago, aubiefifty said:

he knows this homer. hell he heard trump say racists are good people or close to that. he called them something else but we know they are all racists.

It's obvious to any reasonable and observant person that Trump is more than willing to pander to racists to gain their votes - and perhaps even more importantly - their money.

Now does that mean he necessarily shares their beliefs on race and white supremacy? 

No.  But like I said, If you are willing to support racists and white supremacists, what's the difference? 

Likewise, I think he's willing to pander or collaborate with enemies of our country for the same reasons - money and/or a sense of personal power. 

JJ is just another great example of cultish denial.

Edited September 4, 2022 by homersapien

[aubiefifty 16,791]

1 minute ago, homersapien said:

It's obvious to any reasonable and observant person that Trump is more than willing to pander to racists to gain their votes - and perhaps even more importantly - their money in the form of donations.

Now does that mean he shares their views on race and white supremacy?  No, but like I said, I don't think there's a difference.  Likewise, I think he's willing to pander or collaborate with enemies of our country for the same reasons - money and personal power. 

JJ is just another great example of cultish denial.

trump is racist as hell. when he owned the casino in atlantic city he would make blacks leave the floor for all whites. here is an article on it they tried to cever it up so it did not get a lot of traction.

 

motherjones.com

 

Here's the disgusting way black employees were treated at Donald Trump's casino

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It was only recently that Republican presidential candidate and front-runner Donald Trump said he’d be willing to physically fight Black Lives Matter activists if they interrupted him on stage. Now, a new report from the New Yorker relays an alarming account of how black employees at one of Donald Trump’s Atlantic City properties were routinely kept from view when the real estate magnate came to town. From writer Nick Paumgarten:

I met a bus driver named Kip Brown, who worked the Port Authority route, up and back each morning, for Academy Bus Lines. He had been at Academy for fifteen years and was No. 3 in seniority, out of seventy drivers in the region. As ridership has fallen, Academy has been cutting back on its schedule. The number of visitors arriving by bus is an eighth of what it was a quarter century ago. In the spring, Brown, just forty-seven, retired.

Now he was looking for work as a livery driver. Brown also used to work in the casinos, at the Showboat, bussing tables, and at Trump’s Castle, stripping and waxing floors. “When Donald and Ivana came to the casino, the bosses would order all the black people off the floor,” he said. “It was the eighties, I was a teen-ager, but I remember it: they put us all in the back.”

For more on how Trump feels about “the blacks,” head over to Gawker’s decidedly nasty collection of quotes.

[homersapien 11,373]

20 minutes ago, aubiefifty said:

trump is racist as hell. when he owned the casino in atlantic city he would make blacks leave the floor for all whites. here is an article on it they tried to cever it up so it did not get a lot of traction.

 

motherjones.com

 

Here's the disgusting way black employees were treated at Donald Trump's casino

Russ Choma

2 minutes

---

LM Otero/AP

Fight disinformation: Sign up for the free Mother Jones Daily newsletter and follow the news that matters.

It was only recently that Republican presidential candidate and front-runner Donald Trump said he’d be willing to physically fight Black Lives Matter activists if they interrupted him on stage. Now, a new report from the New Yorker relays an alarming account of how black employees at one of Donald Trump’s Atlantic City properties were routinely kept from view when the real estate magnate came to town. From writer Nick Paumgarten:

I met a bus driver named Kip Brown, who worked the Port Authority route, up and back each morning, for Academy Bus Lines. He had been at Academy for fifteen years and was No. 3 in seniority, out of seventy drivers in the region. As ridership has fallen, Academy has been cutting back on its schedule. The number of visitors arriving by bus is an eighth of what it was a quarter century ago. In the spring, Brown, just forty-seven, retired.

Now he was looking for work as a livery driver. Brown also used to work in the casinos, at the Showboat, bussing tables, and at Trump’s Castle, stripping and waxing floors. “When Donald and Ivana came to the casino, the bosses would order all the black people off the floor,” he said. “It was the eighties, I was a teen-ager, but I remember it: they put us all in the back.”

For more on how Trump feels about “the blacks,” head over to Gawker’s decidedly nasty collection of quotes.

He learned it from his father.

 

[aubiefifty 16,791]

30 minutes ago, homersapien said:

He learned it from his father.

 

his dad did not allow black tenants and i know donald was the same way and went to court several times. and they say they have him using the N word regularly behind the scenes on his show. and i posted today when donald hit his casino he made all the folks leave the floor. there is more but i am going in search of a steak. but i wonder with all the info out there people we all know and love on this board lie their ass off and claim it is not true. jj even acts all indignant about trump and hitler but i have read in the past where donald admired him.  here is an article on that and lets watch jj come in and li calling you a liar. lol  and people blow off the russians but if you ever watched trump drool all over putin common sense would take over for most people. here is the hitler article...........

 

Trump praised Hitler to chief of staff John Kelly during Europe trip, new book claims

Published Wed, Jul 7 20211:41 PM EDTUpdated Wed, Jul 7 20213:41 PM EDT

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• Donald Trump while serving as president once praised Nazi leader Adolf Hitler during a conversation with then-White House chief of staff Gen. John Kelly, a new book claims.
• “Well, Hitler did a lot of good things,” Trump told Kelly during a 2018 visit to Europe to commemorate the 100th anniversary of the end of World War I, according to the book.
• “President Trump never said this. It is made up fake news, probably by a general who was incompetent and was fired,” Trump’s spokeswoman said.

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Donald Trump, while serving as president, once praised Nazi leader Adolf Hitler during a conversation with then-White House chief of staff Gen. John Kelly, a new book claims.

“Well, Hitler did a lot of good things,” Trump told Kelly during a 2018 official visit to Europe to commemorate the 100th anniversary of the end of World War I, according to the Michael Bender book “Frankly, We Did Win This Election.”

 

The Guardian newspaper, which obtained a copy of the book, reported that Trump made the positive comment about Hitler during an “impromptu history lesson” in which the retired Marine Corps general “reminded the president which countries were on which side during the conflict” and described how the First World War Ied to the “Second World War and all of Hitler’s atrocities.”

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Tens of millions of people died in World War II, during which the United States, the Soviet Union, Great Britain and other allied powers fought the Axis powers of Germany, Italy and Japan.

Among the dead were millions of Jews and others who were exterminated in German concentration camps.

The report comes more than 30 years after Vanity Fair magazine cited a claim by Trump’s first wife, Ivana Trump, that he kept a book of Hitler’s speeches by his bed.

Trump, in saying Hitler also “did a lot of good things,” noted to Kelly that the German economy recovered in the 1930s under the Nazi dictator, according to The Guardian report.

 

But Kelly reportedly said that even if that were true, “You cannot ever say anything supportive of Adolf Hitler. You just can’t.”

Trump’s spokeswoman Liz Harrington denied the book’s account in a statement Wednesday.

“This is totally false,” Harrington said.

“President Trump never said this. It is made up fake news, probably by a general who was incompetent and was fired,” Harrington said of Kelly.

Kelly did not immediately reply to a request for comment.

The Trump White House denied a prior report about the same trip that he skipped a scheduled visit to an American cemetery near Paris, which contains the bodies of U.S. soldiers who died during WWI, after telling staff members, “Why should I go to that cemetery? It’s filled with losers.”

Trump announced in late 2018 that Kelly, who previously served as his Homeland Security secretary, was leaving as chief of staff by the end of the year. In the months leading up to his departure, Kelly had clashed with Trump, other White House staff and then-first lady Melania Trump.

Vanity Fair magazine reported in 1990 that Ivana Trump told her lawyer that Donald Trump on occasion “reads a book of Hitler’s collected speeches, ‘My New Order,’ which he keeps in a cabinet by his bed.”

When the Vanity Fair reporter asked Trump himself if Trump’s cousin had given him that book, the magazine reported that “Trump hesitated.”

“Who told you that?” Trump asked, according to the magazine.

Trump then said: “Actually, it was my friend Marty Davis from Paramount who gave me a copy of ‘Mein Kampf,’ and he’s a Jew.”

Davis told Vanity Fair: “I did give him a book about Hitler ... But it was ‘My New Order,’ Hitler’s speeches, not ’Mein Kampf.′”

“I thought he would find it interesting,” Davis said. “I am his friend, but I’m not Jewish.”

Trump told the magazine, ″If I had these speeches, and I am not saying that I do, I would never read them.”