DeSantis' COVID policies broken down

[SLAG-91 1,486]

Vinay Prasad speaking...M.D. from the University of Chicago, master's in Public Health from Johns Hopkins.

17 minutes, but a well-reasoned take imo. He does not go down the path of "RD made decisions to own the lefties", and seems to be very much on the side of personal liberty, which (my words upcoming) pretty much became code during the pandemic for "you don't care about anyone else", which is as false an equivalency as one could make.

Cliff Notes version: DeSantis' response was about the best you could have hoped for, all things considered. Really praised the decision to keep kids in schools.

[homersapien 11,488]

Refusing the vaccine is very close to "not caring about anyone else". 

 

[jj3jordan 2,078]

2 hours ago, homersapien said:

Refusing the vaccine is very close to "not caring about anyone else". 

 

You mean the vaccine that doesn’t prevent infection or transmission?

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[Leftfield 2,684]

1 hour ago, jj3jordan said:

You mean the vaccine that doesn’t prevent infection or transmission?

 

Ignorance isn't incurable, unless one refuses to seek the cure. You've been spouting garbage about Covid and the vaccines for years now, so we know where you stand.

Congratulations on being both anti-vax and anti-knowledge. 

[icanthearyou 4,464]

I will not social distance.  I want my freedumb.

I will not wear a mask.  I want my freedumb.

I will not get the vaccine.  I want my freedumb.

It is my right as an American to be ignorant and inhumane.

[creed 1,666]

14 minutes ago, icanthearyou said:

I will not social distance.  I want my freedumb.

I will not wear a mask.  I want my freedumb.

I will not get the vaccine.  I want my freedumb.

It is my right as an American to be ignorant and inhumane.

I've always wondered who was the most ignorant and inhumane group/race.

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[jj3jordan 2,078]

2 hours ago, Leftfield said:

 

Ignorance isn't incurable, unless one refuses to seek the cure. You've been spouting garbage about Covid and the vaccines for years now, so we know where you stand.

Congratulations on being both anti-vax and anti-knowledge. 

Tell it to the CDC. That’s where this info comes from.

[Leftfield 2,684]

7 hours ago, jj3jordan said:

Tell it to the CDC. That’s where this info comes from.

You making no effort to educate yourself on general vaccine efficacy, types of diseases, what a pandemic actually is, etc. is the point. 

Trying to play "gotcha" with their statement doesn't work when you have no clue what you're talking about.

[jj3jordan 2,078]

1 hour ago, Leftfield said:

You making no effort to educate yourself on general vaccine efficacy, types of diseases, what a pandemic actually is, etc. is the point. 

Trying to play "gotcha" with their statement doesn't work when you have no clue what you're talking about.

I know what vaccines are. I have received vaccines like everybody else. I’m not anti vaccine. This one is not adequately tested/proven/reliable like the ones we took as children. Regardless of your beliefs, it is rife with politics. Call it what you wish. Reporting CDC information that you disagree with is not playing gotcha. I’m sorry we had a pandemic. Everybody is. The vaccine does not do what it was advertised to do, and was forced upon us in a strong manner. It is obvious with the strategy of degrading dismissing destroying and delegitimizing ANY and ALL professionals no matter how experienced who questioned, pushed back, or resisted the chosen government approved treatment. That’s not how science or medicine work. That’s how communist marxists work. 

[homersapien 11,488]

9 hours ago, jj3jordan said:

Tell it to the CDC. That’s where this info comes from.

High vaccination rates in a population for transmissible diseases reduces the number of infections from that disease in a population regardless if said vaccinations don't prevent transmission in every individual case.

That's epidemiology 101.

 

 

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[homersapien 11,488]

18 minutes ago, jj3jordan said:

I know what vaccines are. I have received vaccines like everybody else. I’m not anti vaccine. This one is not adequately tested/proven/reliable like the ones we took as children. Regardless of your beliefs, it is rife with politics. Call it what you wish. Reporting CDC information that you disagree with is not playing gotcha. I’m sorry we had a pandemic. Everybody is. The vaccine does not do what it was advertised to do, and was forced upon us in a strong manner. It is obvious with the strategy of degrading dismissing destroying and delegitimizing ANY and ALL professionals no matter how experienced who questioned, pushed back, or resisted the chosen government approved treatment. That’s not how science or medicine work. That’s how communist marxists work. 

Extrapolation of a particular aspect of data to make generalized conclusions on the social value of Covid vaccinations is both ignorant and dangerous. Especially when interpreting said data which is scientifically expressed in probabilities - as absolute and dichotomous.

It's the equivalent of claiming vaccines "aren't effective" because few of them are 100% effective in every case.

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[homersapien 11,488]

16 minutes ago, jj3jordan said:

Regardless of your beliefs, it is rife with politics.

What is the political aim in promoting vaccination for Covid?

[jj3jordan 2,078]

2 minutes ago, homersapien said:

What is the political aim in promoting vaccination for Covid?

$$$ and control.

[homersapien 11,488]

1 minute ago, jj3jordan said:

$$$ and control.

For and by whom?

[jj3jordan 2,078]

13 minutes ago, homersapien said:

Extrapolation of a particular bit of information to make generalized conclusions - such as a vaccination for a particular disease (Covid in this case) - has no societal benefit is both ignorant and dangerous.

Especially when interpreting said information - scientifically expressed in probabilities - as absolute and dichotomous.

It's the equivalent of claiming vaccines "aren't effective" because few of them are 100% effective in every case.

Blather on homer as usual you pick and choose snippets to parse for your argument. Basically the same thing you accuse me of. The “vaccine” is not and was never what it was advertised to be. It doesn’t prevent infection or transmission. It was forced on the population with threats (another hint that it isn’t all that great). You keep taking those boosters and I’ll choose what’s best for me medically based on doctors I know and trust not politicians and pharmaceutical executives or doctors that have never treated a patient who actually helped fund the lab and the gain of function research where the virus “escaped” from.

[jj3jordan 2,078]

28 minutes ago, homersapien said:

High vaccination rates in a population for transmissible diseases reduces the number of infections from that disease in a population regardless if said vaccinations don't prevent transmission in every individual case.

That's epidemiology 101.

 

 

It’s a little more than “don’t prevent infection in every individual case”.

[jj3jordan 2,078]

16 minutes ago, homersapien said:

For and by whom?

Hospitals big pharma big government. Hard to believe you haven’t seen this. I know you have. I understand you are just trolling. No worries keep it up it’s entertaining.

[homersapien 11,488]

16 minutes ago, jj3jordan said:

Blather on homer as usual you pick and choose snippets to parse for your argument. Basically the same thing you accuse me of. The “vaccine” is not and was never what it was advertised to be. It doesn’t prevent infection or transmission. It was forced on the population with threats (another hint that it isn’t all that great). You keep taking those boosters and I’ll choose what’s best for me medically based on doctors I know and trust not politicians and pharmaceutical executives or doctors that have never treated a patient who actually helped fund the lab and the gain of function research where the virus “escaped” from.

Ahem, you are the one interjecting factoids from the CDC as a general argument that getting a vaccine has no societal benefit.

I simply dismantled that argument.

And you're simply wrong about the vaccine not preventing infections.  For example, as "proof", I was diligent in my vaccinations and I never got infected.

(See how that works?  )

 

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[homersapien 11,488]

5 minutes ago, jj3jordan said:

It’s a little more than “don’t prevent infection in every individual case”.

How much more?

And what is the epidemiological effect?

[homersapien 11,488]

6 minutes ago, jj3jordan said:

Hospitals big pharma big government. Hard to believe you haven’t seen this. I know you have. I understand you are just trolling. No worries keep it up it’s entertaining.

That's just flat out crazy. 

Robert F. Kennedy / Q-Anon conspiracy crazy.

 

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[Leftfield 2,684]

38 minutes ago, jj3jordan said:

This one is not adequately tested/proven/reliable like the ones we took as children.

You're wrong on this. You just are. You have clearly refused to read anything posted about how extensively this was tested. This is a perfect example of your willful ignorance.

39 minutes ago, jj3jordan said:

Regardless of your beliefs, it is rife with politics...

...says the person that chooses to believe the small percentage of scientists, most of whom aren't even epidemiologists and are usually shown to be politically motivated themselves (such as the video in the OP), instead of the vast majority of specialists worldwide who actually work in the fields of relevant study.

42 minutes ago, jj3jordan said:

Reporting CDC information that you disagree with is not playing gotcha.

It is when you only point to one sentence, which ignores tons of other relevant information as to what a vaccine is actually supposed to do.

 

43 minutes ago, jj3jordan said:

The vaccine does not do what it was advertised to do, and was forced upon us in a strong manner.

I'm assuming you base this upon, as usual, the incorrect statement from Walensky. If not, then what are you referring to? It certainly isn't based on what the actual scientists were saying. The CDC actually issued a statement later the same day correcting what Walensky said. 

And the reason the vaccine was forced was because of ignorant people spreading misinformation about it, causing people to avoid it.

1 hour ago, jj3jordan said:

It is obvious with the strategy of degrading dismissing destroying and delegitimizing ANY and ALL professionals no matter how experienced who questioned, pushed back, or resisted the chosen government approved treatment. That’s not how science or medicine work. That’s how communist marxists work. 

They were dismissed because their arguments were proven to be bunk. As I said, the majority of "doctors" who came out against it didn't even work in a relevant field. Post any legitimate study done, that has been peer reviewed, that proves anything about the Covid vaccine to be unsafe, or not do what the actual scientists said it would do.

Just about every peer country did the same thing we did, so your comment about Marxists holds no water. It was a sensible decision to protect the population when a sizeable portion, whether out of ignorance or just plaid stupidity, chose not to help.  

[arein0 980]

28 minutes ago, jj3jordan said:

Hospitals 

Hospitals make money for helping patients checking in. The vaccine will keep the more of the population away from the hospital than the unvaccinatied.

[Leftfield 2,684]

27 minutes ago, jj3jordan said:

Hospitals big pharma big government. Hard to believe you haven’t seen this. I know you have. I understand you are just trolling. No worries keep it up it’s entertaining.

This is just conspiracy-theorist level bonkers. It's the same argument used to deny increasing global temperatures. Scientists and governments across the globe were doing the same thing we were. Are you seriously suggesting that every nation, every pharmaceutical company, and every scientist involved were all in on this big plot? 

Are you also suggesting the plot covered two separate administrations? As Trump supporters love to point out, he fast-tracked vaccine development. I guess he was in on it, too?

 

[icanthearyou 4,464]

13 hours ago, creed said:

I've always wondered who was the most ignorant and inhumane group/race.

I don't think it works like that.  Tribal maybe but,,, not racial.

[arein0 980]

So let's take a look at all the recent boogiemen for the radical conservatives:

Tech

Pharma

Hospitals 

Education system 

Government 

Science

Data 

Wall Street 

Media

DOJ

LGBTQ+ Coalition 

I know there are others I'm missing

 

What is left for you guys to view as a boogieman? Looks like all they trust in the world is each other and their guns. Similarly, cults also create an environment where it is us vs the world mentality.