Biden in 88

[LPTiger 5,164]

20 hours ago, TexasTiger said:

And yet despite his flaws, he finally found a pool of candidates he bested. 😉

As they say, the third time is the charm.   He said today that all his grandchildren have secret service protection.   I suspect that is news to Navy.

[TexasTiger 12,876]

1 minute ago, LPTiger said:

As they say, the third time is the charm.   He said today that all his grandchildren have secret service protection.   I suspect that is news to Navy.

She has nuclear subs. Can’t see ‘em, but they pack a punch.

[SaltyTiger 7,808]

On 8/9/2023 at 4:42 PM, LPTiger said:

I guess age has a way of making you forget things.   I read an article today about Biden's 1988 presidential campaign.    I did not recall that he dropped out of the race after a series of errors.  First there was an issue about him plagiarizing a paper in law school.  He claimed it was an issue related to citations.   He then started claiming on the campaign trail that he marched during the civil rights movement when in fact he had not marched.   His aides claimed to have told him several times that he had not marched, yet he continued making the claim.   Then, at a debate he claimed that his "ancestors" were "coal miners" and they would work underground for 12 hours and then come up and play football for four hours.  The problem was he had a great grandfather and a great great grandfather who were mine engineers but not coal miners.  It got worse for him when it was discovered that he stole the line from a British politician.   There was some discrepancy about his academic record and at a public appearance a gentleman asked him about it and Biden responded "I bet my I.Q. is a lot higher than yours."   This was all taking place while he chaired the Bork confirmation hearings.   It became such a distraction that his colleagues asked him to end his campaign which he did.   Obviously the guy is and always has been a gaffe machine (yesterday he claimed that "the Grand Canyon was one of the Nine Great Wonders of the World, literally."   The fact he threw in "literally" at the end makes it all the more hysterical).   But, I didn't know he had a 35 year history of just making things up.    Why isn't this brought up today by the media (even Fox) when there are real questions about his credibility?   Maybe the past has been reported on recently, and I missed it.   

No the past has not been reported and thanks for the reminder. 1988 year my first son was born. Biden was a joke. Had forgotten all about the plagiarism, etc.. 

In 1987 Jeff Burger was suspended for plagiarism. Think some fans and teammates had a bit fun with comparisons in 88.

[DKW 86 7,424]

On 8/9/2023 at 5:09 PM, CoffeeTiger said:

I mean Biden was elected because he's always been a fairly Moderate Democrat

I know conservatives constantly make Biden out to be a full blown socialist, but the Democrats had MUCH better, but more socially and politically left wing primary candidates in 2020, but Biden was "chosen" because he wasn't as offensive to moderate and conservative Dems as people like Sanders or Warren were. 

No, he wasnt. At all...

He was chosen because he alone had name recognition close to trump and showed in polling that he could win. He was never the best of the field etc. He was simply the next in line, like Harris will be if he falls.

[DKW 86 7,424]

On 8/9/2023 at 5:45 PM, TexasTiger said:

In fairness to Biden, although he largely copied Neil Kinnock’s speech in 1988, he delivered the line pretty well. 😉

Missed the point completely...I know you were doing it on purpose... 😉

 

[DKW 86 7,424]

18 hours ago, aubaseball said:

The Trump brand was built on exaggeration and hyperbole over the years prior to running for office.    This exaggeration continued while he became President.   The media honed in on this and called him a liar or making false claims.    The guy is a bullsh$t professional. 

The guy that’s currently in Office is a career politician that is “supposedly “ above reproach and honest.    When in fact, he is a perpetual liar and makes sh$t up all the time.    Again, one guy was a TV personality and the other a career politician.   

One correction or add if you will:

Trump was a darling of the media while he was writing checks to the Democrats. He self-identified as a Dem for decades. 

In 2015 he swapped parties and all hell broke lose. He was perfectly acceptable as the ***** grabbing Democrat donor for decades. But once he swapped parties, he was a pariah, a Demonically Evil person. 

I say he was always exactly as we see him now, a misogynistic racist all along. But when he was giving to the Dems he was THEIR misogynistic racist and no one gave a ****.

The Racist Democrat former-Governor of Virginia says hi...

Edited August 11, 2023 by DKW 86

[CoffeeTiger 5,108]

2 hours ago, DKW 86 said:

One correction or add if you will:

Trump was a darling of the media while he was writing checks to the Democrats. He self-identified as a Dem for decades. 

In 2015 he swapped parties and all hell broke lose. He was perfectly acceptable as the ***** grabbing Democrat donor for decades. But once he swapped parties, he was a pariah, a Demonically Evil person. 

I say he was always exactly as we see him now, a misogynistic racist all along. But when he was giving to the Dems he was THEIR misogynistic racist and no one gave a ****.

The Racist Democrat former-Governor of Virginia says hi...

That's just simply not correct. 

Trump has been anything but a Democrat for most of his life, in fact the opposite is true.  Here is Trump's history of political affiliations.

Republican (1987-1999)

Reform Party (1999-2000)

Democratic (2001-2009)

Republican (2009-2011)

Independent (2011-2012)

Republican (2012-Current)

 

In 2011 Trump thought about entering the Race against Barack Obama and spoke at the CPAC(Conservative Political Action Committee), and in 2012 he officially endorsed Mitt Romney for President. 

In 1990 he identified as a Conservative. 

He donated to both parties. 

From 1989-2011 he donated $175,860 more to Democratic campaigns than to Republican ones. Mostly to NY state Dems who  his businesses dealt with more, but not a significant amount. From 2011-2015 He mostly donated to Republicans donating $630,000 to Republican and $8,500. 

A majority of his lifetime political donations have gone to Republicans. 

 

If Trump was loved by Dems and the media before 2015 then they loved him while also knowing he was Conservative, donated more to Republicans, and identified as a Republican for most of his life. 

 

 

Edited August 11, 2023 by CoffeeTiger

[DKW 86 7,424]

32 minutes ago, CoffeeTiger said:

That's just simply not correct. 

Trump has been anything but a Democrat for most of his life, in fact the opposite is true.  Here is Trump's history of political affiliations.

Republican (1987-1999)

Reform Party (1999-2000)

Democratic (2001-2009)

Republican (2009-2011)

Independent (2011-2012)

Republican (2012-Current)

 

In 2011 Trump thought about entering the Race against Barack Obama and spoke at the CPAC(Conservative Political Action Committee), and in 2012 he officially endorsed Mitt Romney for President. 

In 1990 he identified as a Conservative. 

He donated to both parties. 

From 1989-2011 he donated $175,860 more to Democratic campaigns than to Republican ones. Mostly to NY state Dems who  his businesses dealt with more, but not a significant amount. From 2011-2015 He mostly donated to Republicans donating $630,000 to Republican and $8,500. 

A majority of his lifetime political donations have gone to Republicans. 

 

If Trump was loved by Dems and the media before 2015 then they loved him while also knowing he was Conservative, donated more to Republicans, and identified as a Republican for most of his life. 

 

 

LMAO. Straight from the horses’ ass himself. 
https://www.cnn.com/2015/07/21/politics/donald-trump-election-democrat/index.html

[CoffeeTiger 5,108]

6 minutes ago, DKW 86 said:

LMAO. Straight from the horses’ ass himself. 
https://www.cnn.com/2015/07/21/politics/donald-trump-election-democrat/index.html

Yes...in 2004 one of the 9 years of his life he identified as a Democrat. In the decades he didn't identify as a Democrat he said the opposite and that he identified as Conservative. And in this quote he simply says Democrats do better with the economy (which is historically correct), not that he agreed with Dems on anything other than economic performance. 

The reality is that if anyone tells you that Trump was a "Democrat" for most of his life or was a massive doner of money to Democrats before 2015 then they are lying to you and trying to spread a false narrative. 

 

 

Edited August 11, 2023 by CoffeeTiger

[DKW 86 7,424]

20 hours ago, CoffeeTiger said:

Yes...in 2004 one of the 9 years of his life he identified as a Democrat. In the decades he didn't identify as a Democrat he said the opposite and that he identified as Conservative. And in this quote he simply says Democrats do better with the economy (which is historically correct), not that he agreed with Dems on anything other than economic performance. 

The reality is that if anyone tells you that Trump was a "Democrat" for most of his life or was a massive doner of money to Democrats before 2015 then they are lying to you and trying to spread a false narrative. 

https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4552572/user-clip-donald-trump-rainbowpush-coalition-revitalizing-cities

https://www.facebook.com/CUREpolicy/videos/in-1999-jesse-jackson-praised-president-trump-for-his-lifetime-of-helping-black-/194237161722833/

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2016/03/donald-trumps-rainbow-coalition-of-bigots.html

https://www.npr.org/sections/itsallpolitics/2015/07/28/426888268/donald-trumps-flipping-political-donations

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It's All Politics

POLITICAL NEWS FROM NPR

 

IT'S ALL POLITICS

Most of Donald Trump's Political Money Went To Democrats — Until 5 Years Ago

July 28, 201512:16 PM ET

 

Danielle Kurtzleben

 

 

As of 2004, Trump told CNN he was more Democrat than Republican. So why doesn't this upset potential GOP primary voters?

Scott Olson/Getty Images

"Well, if I ever ran for office, I'd do better as a Democrat than as a Republican," Donald Trump told Playboy in 1990. "And that's not because I'd be more liberal, because I'm conservative. But the working guy would elect me. He likes me."

It turns out that even The Donald can't predict the future — after all, 25 years after that comment, he's mounting a strong early push for the Republican presidential nomination. And while he framed himself as a conservative back then, his sympathies and political views have been all over the map during the last 25 years. Only in the last few years has he seemed to find some cohesive ground in what he thinks and whom he supports.

His political donations provide an objective look at just how big this change has been: Since 1989, donations in Donald Trump's name have totaled around $1.4 million (adjusted for inflation) to national-level parties, candidates, and other committees. Around two-thirds of that has gone to Republican groups and candidates, according to an NPR analysis of data from the Center for Responsive Politics. However, Trump's decisive tilt toward giving to Republicans has only come in the last few years.

(That grey bar in 1999 comes from when Trump donated $50,000 to the "Donald Trump New York Delegate Committee — a committee to which he was the sole listed donor, per CRP.)

It's true that this data might not even reflect all of his donations to super PACs, to which donations can be anonymous. But it does indicate a sharp pivot toward supporting Republicans. That's perhaps even more pronounced when you consider the share of his total giving by party. Between 2010 and 2015, 97 percent of all of his donations have gone to Republicans. Prior to that, Democrats had been the primary beneficiaries, taking more than half of Trump's donations between 1989 and 2009.

There are a couple of narratives you could draw from these numbers. One is that Trump had a conservative conversion moment of sorts and immediately changed his views (and donation patterns) accordingly.

As a businessman, you wanna be friendly with everybody.

Donald Trump

Or, perhaps, he was simply seeking to grow (or, more accurately, buy) influence among Republicans. In 2011, campaign finance watchdog Center for Responsive Politics conducted a similar breakdown of his donation numbers. But since then, the numbers have grown even more telling, as his donations have exploded — more than 40 percent of his nearly $1.4 million in donations have come since 2010. The breadth of those donations is huge, too — in 2014 alone, for example, Trump gave to 34 Republican politicians.

The turnaround in Trump's donation habits has come alongside a few rapid turnarounds in political views, as Politico's Timothy Noah wrote in a Monday analysis. He at various times has voiced support of single-payer health care, a 14.25 percent wealth tax, and an assault weapons ban — all positions that he has reversed. In addition, in 1999, he proclaimed Republicans "too crazy right."

Aside from those prominent flipflops, he has also held views that would likely anger many of today's orthodox conservative voters. For example, he told the Miami Herald in 1990 that drug legalization was the way to deal with drug violence.

"We're losing badly the war on drugs," Trump told reporter Gus Carlson. "You have to legalize drugs to win that war. You have to take the profit away from these drug czars."

Likewise, in that 1990 Playboy article, he demurred on the topic of abortion: "When I asked for his stand on abortion, he frowned, pouted and asked me to turn the recorder off," wrote Glenn Paskin. "He didn't really have an opinion — what the hell was mine? It was a very human moment."

And in 2004, he told CNN that he simply didn't see himself as a Republican.

"In many cases, I probably identify more as Democrat," Trump told Wolf Blitzer at the time. "It just seems that the economy does better under the Democrats than the Republicans."

To be clear, people's opinions on any number of political topics can and do change over time. But being branded a "flip-flopper" can be politically toxic — just ask John Kerry, the 2004 Democratic nominee who suffered when Republicans gave him that title. And Trump's changes of heart have been manifold and well-documented.

So why haven't voters punished Trump for this? How is the man leading in several GOP polls also among the least consistent conservatives in the race?

Part of it might be that voters are in a state of information overload — particularly on the subject of Donald Trump.

"They're getting overwhelmed with a bunch of statements about him, and if it's true or not true, they're not sure. They're just hearing a lot," said Republican strategist David Winston.

In Winston's view, the first stage of the Trump campaign came when he burst onto the scene with a volley of outrageous and provocative statements. This current part, when voters are trying to sort out just what's what, is the second stage, in his view. The third stage, he said, will come when voters figure out what's fact and fiction and synthesize their view of who Trump is as a candidate.

But for now, that's tough to do, because Trump's strategy is to spit out provocative statements, rapid-fire, whipping his supporters into a frenzy, said another GOP strategist.

"What he does is he takes page six tabloid tactics to presidential politics and not only do his opponents not know what to do with him; neither does the media," said Ford O'Connell.

O'Connell pointed to Trump's claim that veterans are being treated worse than illegal immigrants — a comparison that O'Connell said is not completely logical but manages to link together two things that infuriate some voters.

"What he does is he throws that word salad out there, and the voter goes gaga," O'Connell adds. "And before you can even break that down for the reader or the news anchor, he then moves on to something else. He's such a whirling dervish of stuff that you just don't know which way to go."

Amid that word salad that O'Connell is talking about, Trump has found time to shrug off criticisms of his past donations, defending them as a business necessity: "I am a businessman," Trump told conservative talk radio host Howie Carr recently, as reported by Buzzfeed. "And when, you know, a speaker of the House or head of the Senate or, you know, people call, you know, I generally speak. As a businessman, you wanna be friendly with everybody."

One key event coming up could help voters cut through the noise and figure out how they feel about him: the Republican debate on August 6. As a frontrunner in the polls, Trump is certain to have a spot on the stage. And facing off against nine other GOP candidates, Americans might just get a better sense not only of whether to vote for him, but who he even is.

Edited August 12, 2023 by DKW 86

[auburnatl1 4,920]

Trump was in commercial real estate and that’s a world of needing favors. Zoning and tax breaks. Trump has never had an ideology so he’d switch constantly with whatever way the political winds blew. All that changed supposedly when Obama publicly humiliated him at a roast - and he decided he’d get payback by running. Which party? Which ever one would take him.

 

[LPTiger 5,164]

On 8/12/2023 at 10:59 AM, auburnatl1 said:

Trump was in commercial real estate and that’s a world of needing favors. Zoning and tax breaks. Trump has never had an ideology so he’d switch constantly with whatever way the political winds blew. All that changed supposedly when Obama publicly humiliated him at a roast - and he decided he’d get payback by running. Which party? Which ever one would take him.

 

I'm very surprised Trump was able to sit there and not shout some massive insult from the audience.