Biden in 88

[LPTiger 5,159]

I guess age has a way of making you forget things.   I read an article today about Biden's 1988 presidential campaign.    I did not recall that he dropped out of the race after a series of errors.  First there was an issue about him plagiarizing a paper in law school.  He claimed it was an issue related to citations.   He then started claiming on the campaign trail that he marched during the civil rights movement when in fact he had not marched.   His aides claimed to have told him several times that he had not marched, yet he continued making the claim.   Then, at a debate he claimed that his "ancestors" were "coal miners" and they would work underground for 12 hours and then come up and play football for four hours.  The problem was he had a great grandfather and a great great grandfather who were mine engineers but not coal miners.  It got worse for him when it was discovered that he stole the line from a British politician.   There was some discrepancy about his academic record and at a public appearance a gentleman asked him about it and Biden responded "I bet my I.Q. is a lot higher than yours."   This was all taking place while he chaired the Bork confirmation hearings.   It became such a distraction that his colleagues asked him to end his campaign which he did.   Obviously the guy is and always has been a gaffe machine (yesterday he claimed that "the Grand Canyon was one of the Nine Great Wonders of the World, literally."   The fact he threw in "literally" at the end makes it all the more hysterical).   But, I didn't know he had a 35 year history of just making things up.    Why isn't this brought up today by the media (even Fox) when there are real questions about his credibility?   Maybe the past has been reported on recently, and I missed it.   

[KansasTiger 3,248]

15 minutes ago, LPTiger said:

I guess age has a way of making you forget things.   I read an article today about Biden's 1988 presidential campaign.    I did not recall that he dropped out of the race after a series of errors.  First there was an issue about him plagiarizing a paper in law school.  He claimed it was an issue related to citations.   He then started claiming on the campaign trail that he marched during the civil rights movement when in fact he had not marched.   His aides claimed to have told him several times that he had not marched, yet he continued making the claim.   Then, at a debate he claimed that his "ancestors" were "coal miners" and they would work underground for 12 hours and then come up and play football for four hours.  The problem was he had a great grandfather and a great great grandfather who were mine engineers but not coal miners.  It got worse for him when it was discovered that he stole the line from a British politician.   There was some discrepancy about his academic record and at a public appearance a gentleman asked him about it and Biden responded "I bet my I.Q. is a lot higher than yours."   This was all taking place while he chaired the Bork confirmation hearings.   It became such a distraction that his colleagues asked him to end his campaign which he did.   Obviously the guy is and always has been a gaffe machine (yesterday he claimed that "the Grand Canyon was one of the Nine Great Wonders of the World, literally."   The fact he threw in "literally" at the end makes it all the more hysterical).   But, I didn't know he had a 35 year history of just making things up.    Why isn't this brought up today by the media (even Fox) when there are real questions about his credibility?   Maybe the past has been reported on recently, and I missed it.   

"Unless we do something about that cadre of young people — tens of thousands of them born out of wedlock, without parents, without supervision, without any structure, without any conscious developing — because they literally have not been socialized, they literally have not had an opportunity ... we should focus on them now. If we don't, they will — or a portion of them will — become the predators 15 years from now,"

Who said it? An alt right conservative extremist from 2023? Or Joe Biden stumping for the '94 Crime Bill?

[CoffeeTiger 5,108]

3 minutes ago, KansasTiger said:

"Unless we do something about that cadre of young people — tens of thousands of them born out of wedlock, without parents, without supervision, without any structure, without any conscious developing — because they literally have not been socialized, they literally have not had an opportunity ... we should focus on them now. If we don't, they will — or a portion of them will — become the predators 15 years from now,"

Who said it? An alt right conservative extremist from 2023? Or Joe Biden stumping for the '94 Crime Bill?

I mean Biden was elected because he's always been a fairly Moderate Democrat

I know conservatives constantly make Biden out to be a full blown socialist, but the Democrats had MUCH better, but more socially and politically left wing primary candidates in 2020, but Biden was "chosen" because he wasn't as offensive to moderate and conservative Dems as people like Sanders or Warren were. 

[KansasTiger 3,248]

Just now, CoffeeTiger said:

I mean Biden was elected because he's always been a fairly Moderate Democrat

I know conservatives constantly make Biden out to be a full blown socialist, but the Democrats had MUCH better, but more socially and politically left wing primary candidates in 2020, but Biden was "chosen" because he wasn't as offensive to moderate and conservative Dems as people like Sanders or Warren were. 

I'd argue he used to be a moderate Democrat. Id argue the party as a whole and the 'center' used to be alot more right than it is today.

I can't name any Democrat that would say those things today.

[auburnatl1 4,914]

Just now, CoffeeTiger said:

I mean Biden was elected because he's always been a fairly Moderate Democrat

I know conservatives constantly make Biden out to be a full blown socialist, but the Democrats had MUCH better, but more socially and politically left wing primary candidates in 2020, but Biden was "chosen" because he wasn't as offensive to moderate and conservative Dems as people like Sanders or Warren were. 

Joe was and probably still is a moderate democrat. But much of his administration is Bernie’ites (the deal he cut at the dem convention). And imo Biden simply no longer has the full capacity to resist the pressure of that faction.

[KansasTiger 3,248]

30 minutes ago, LPTiger said:

I guess age has a way of making you forget things.   I read an article today about Biden's 1988 presidential campaign.    I did not recall that he dropped out of the race after a series of errors.  First there was an issue about him plagiarizing a paper in law school.  He claimed it was an issue related to citations.   He then started claiming on the campaign trail that he marched during the civil rights movement when in fact he had not marched.   His aides claimed to have told him several times that he had not marched, yet he continued making the claim.   Then, at a debate he claimed that his "ancestors" were "coal miners" and they would work underground for 12 hours and then come up and play football for four hours.  The problem was he had a great grandfather and a great great grandfather who were mine engineers but not coal miners.  It got worse for him when it was discovered that he stole the line from a British politician.   There was some discrepancy about his academic record and at a public appearance a gentleman asked him about it and Biden responded "I bet my I.Q. is a lot higher than yours."   This was all taking place while he chaired the Bork confirmation hearings.   It became such a distraction that his colleagues asked him to end his campaign which he did.   Obviously the guy is and always has been a gaffe machine (yesterday he claimed that "the Grand Canyon was one of the Nine Great Wonders of the World, literally."   The fact he threw in "literally" at the end makes it all the more hysterical).   But, I didn't know he had a 35 year history of just making things up.    Why isn't this brought up today by the media (even Fox) when there are real questions about his credibility?   Maybe the past has been reported on recently, and I missed it.   

Because they're all in on the same game. MSM has been about narrative control and propaganda for some time now. Even 'Fox news' is simply controlled opposition. But start saying things really against the approved message, like maybe the war in Ukraine isn't good, or point out maybe its a bad thing big pharma owns the MSM, and all of a sudden, you're on the outside looking in. 

[LPTiger 5,159]

2 minutes ago, KansasTiger said:

Because they're all in on the same game. MSM has been about narrative control and propaganda for some time now. Even 'Fox news' is simply controlled opposition. But start saying things really against the approved message, like maybe the war in Ukraine isn't good, or point out maybe its a bad thing big pharma owns the MSM, and all of a sudden, you're on the outside looking in. 

KT, every time you post, because of your avatar, I feel like I am reading BP.   It always makes me smile. 

[auburnatl1 4,914]

5 minutes ago, LPTiger said:

KT, every time you post, because of your avatar, I feel like I am reading BP.   It always makes me smile. 

Let’s just hope BP never posts anything woke’ish, because the idea of @KansasTiger spraying this as his new avatar all over every thread page feels pretty exhausting. Ps damn - he is a handsome man

[TexasTiger 12,868]

In fairness to Biden, although he largely copied Neil Kinnock’s speech in 1988, he delivered the line pretty well. 😉

[KansasTiger 3,248]

16 minutes ago, auburnatl1 said:

Let’s just hope BP never posts anything woke’ish, because the idea of @KansasTiger spraying this as his new avatar all over every thread page feels pretty exhausting. Ps damn - he is a handsome man

Don't tempt me...🤣

[Didba 5,256]

Well, good thing I never voted for Biden in a primary!

[AUDub 11,148]

This was litigated pretty much endlessly in 2020 for crying out loud. 

[TexasTiger 12,868]

13 minutes ago, AUDub said:

This was litigated pretty much endlessly in 2020 for crying out loud. 

And yet despite his flaws, he finally found a pool of candidates he bested. 😉

[aubaseball 2,610]

I would say that making a few tall tales is one thing, but Biden has proven time and time again of making statements that are just not true.    I think he is an habitual liar and currently doesn’t even know what he is saying.    This guy isn’t running the country.   Hell, he can’t even get off a bicycle.  

[AUDub 11,148]

24 minutes ago, aubaseball said:

I would say that making a few tall tales is one thing, but Biden has proven time and time again of making statements that are just not true.    I think he is an habitual liar and currently doesn’t even know what he is saying.    This guy isn’t running the country.   Hell, he can’t even get off a bicycle.  

Irony

[TexasTiger 12,868]

1 hour ago, aubaseball said:

I would say that making a few tall tales is one thing, but Biden has proven time and time again of making statements that are just not true.    I think he is an habitual liar and currently doesn’t even know what he is saying.    This guy isn’t running the country.   Hell, he can’t even get off a bicycle.  

Gotta hate those habitual liars. Especially the ones who never mount a bicycle.

[AUFAN78 3,895]

29 minutes ago, TexasTiger said:

Gotta hate those habitual liars. Especially the ones who never mount a bicycle.

I can see it now:

Trump-that's a nice bicycle. (pans away) Damn, who is that? 

Aide-Mr. Trump that is Stormy Daniels. 

Trump-you take the bicycle. 

[aubaseball 2,610]

10 hours ago, AUFAN78 said:

I can see it now:

Trump-that's a nice bicycle. (pans away) Damn, who is that? 

Aide-Mr. Trump that is Stormy Daniels. 

Trump-you take the bicycle. 

Man’s man.   

[AU9377 4,931]

12 hours ago, aubaseball said:

I would say that making a few tall tales is one thing, but Biden has proven time and time again of making statements that are just not true.    I think he is an habitual liar and currently doesn’t even know what he is saying.    This guy isn’t running the country.   Hell, he can’t even get off a bicycle.  

Good thing you have never voted for a candidate like that.......  lmao

[auburnatl1 4,914]

41 minutes ago, AU9377 said:

Good thing you have never voted for a candidate like that.......  lmao

Bidens history on facts  aren’t good and may be accelerating due to his cognitive issues. But trumps misfacts are something so historically special that’s there’s extensive analytics.

 

 

[KansasTiger 3,248]

3 minutes ago, auburnatl1 said:

Bidens history on facts  aren’t good and may be accelerating due to his cognitive issues. But trumps misfacts are something so historically special that’s there’s extensive analytics.

 

 

Yeah im not advocating for trump, but some of the misleading or false claims they had in their database were pretty nitpicky. Stuff like he was off by a percent when citing unemployment numbers. It was clear to anyone that dug in to it that they were purposefully citing things they would never cite against any other politician to inflate their numbers so they could produce a graph just like this and say, 'look how much Trump lies'.

Don't get me wrong. He lies. Obviously. So why go through and present it unfairly? 

[auburnatl1 4,914]

23 minutes ago, KansasTiger said:

Yeah im not advocating for trump, but some of the misleading or false claims they had in their database were pretty nitpicky. Stuff like he was off by a percent when citing unemployment numbers. It was clear to anyone that dug in to it that they were purposefully citing things they would never cite against any other politician to inflate their numbers so they could produce a graph just like this and say, 'look how much Trump lies'.

Don't get me wrong. He lies. Obviously. So why go through and present it unfairly? 

Fine. His mistakes or exaggerations accounted for  …. hell, let’s go over the top and make it 90% of his misstatements. Divide by 10. It’s still historic lying.

[aubaseball 2,610]

1 hour ago, AU9377 said:

Good thing you have never voted for a candidate like that.......  lmao

Who says I voted for Trump?  I like to call out the hypocrisy on this forum.   Most of you on this side of the forum, think that people are for Trump if they don’t agree on what you say or think.   

[aubaseball 2,610]

25 minutes ago, auburnatl1 said:

Fine. His mistakes or exaggerations accounted for  …. hell, let’s go over the top and make it 90% of his misstatements. Divide by 10. It’s still historic lying.

The Trump brand was built on exaggeration and hyperbole over the years prior to running for office.    This exaggeration continued while he became President.   The media honed in on this and called him a liar or making false claims.    The guy is a bullsh$t professional. 

The guy that’s currently in Office is a career politician that is “supposedly “ above reproach and honest.    When in fact, he is a perpetual liar and makes sh$t up all the time.    Again, one guy was a TV personality and the other a career politician.   

[auburnatl1 4,914]

2 hours ago, aubaseball said:

The Trump brand was built on exaggeration and hyperbole over the years prior to running for office.    This exaggeration continued while he became President.   The media honed in on this and called him a liar or making false claims.    The guy is a bullsh$t professional. 

The guy that’s currently in Office is a career politician that is “supposedly “ above reproach and honest.    When in fact, he is a perpetual liar and makes sh$t up all the time.    Again, one guy was a TV personality and the other a career politician.   

Couldn’t agree more