McCarthy removed as Speaker of the House.

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6 minutes ago, TexasTiger said:

This is emblematic of how you “think.”

 

No. This is emblematic of how you think. Deflect, deflect, deflect.

The reality is quite simple. The Democrats had an opportunity for bipartisanship in this very important situation and chose party first. Bloomberg and a few others have penned something similar and are spot on. Understandable how the highly partisan non principled individuals disagree. 

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6 minutes ago, AUFAN78 said:

No. This is emblematic of how you think. Deflect, deflect, deflect.

The reality is quite simple. The Democrats had an opportunity for bipartisanship in this very important situation and chose party first. Bloomberg and a few others have penned something similar and are spot on. Understandable how the highly partisan non principled individuals disagree. 

McCarthy made zero reach out. He was not rebuffed. He has zero interest in bipartisanship:

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/amp/politics/watch-mccarthy-confronts-challenge-to-his-leadership-rules-out-power-sharing-with-democrats

But keep lying. It’s your core competence.

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49 minutes ago, TexasTiger said:

McCarthy made zero reach out. He was not rebuffed. He has zero interest in bipartisanship:

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/amp/politics/watch-mccarthy-confronts-challenge-to-his-leadership-rules-out-power-sharing-with-democrats

But keep lying. It’s your core competence.

And you keep lying and deflecting on what happened in this circumstance. Highly partisan non principled individuals are in plain sight. I have no problem calling them out. There can be only one reason you do. Okay maybe two.

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15 minutes ago, AUFAN78 said:

And you keep lying and deflecting on what happened in this circumstance. Highly partisan non principled individuals are in plain sight. I have no problem calling them out. There can be only one reason you do. Okay maybe two.

Highly partisan speaker refuses to reach out to Dems for bipartisan solution to his crazy mutineers. Them’s the facts.

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17 minutes ago, TexasTiger said:

Highly partisan speaker refuses to reach out to Dems for bipartisan solution to his crazy mutineers. Them’s the facts.

Those are called partisan facts. I'm not interested and remain focused on this incident and its aftermath playing out before our eyes. This is about the American people some of us still care about. 

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On 10/4/2023 at 9:01 AM, AUApostle said:

You only think they’re clowns and adults because your media tells you to think that.  Sorry for the brainwashing.

Dude, this is excellent satire. 

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On 10/10/2023 at 2:02 PM, AUFAN78 said:

Those are called partisan facts. I'm not interested and remain focused on this incident and its aftermath playing out before our eyes. This is about the American people some of us still care about. 

What’s remotely inaccurate about those facts?

[Didba 5,281]

On 10/8/2023 at 1:18 PM, auburnatl1 said:

Socialists/ progressives.  The squad ect. Both sides are conspiracy oriented. The left sees the evil “them” as corporations. The right sees “them” as government and institutions - deep state. Two totally opposite groups that despise each other,  but ironically similar personality types of the same coin. Extremes have taken over government, democratic government is based on compromise, extremes are about winning not compromise.

Checkmate.

*in America. You nailed it. 

[Didba 5,281]

On 10/8/2023 at 1:40 PM, I_M4_AU said:

 

Interesting that you see extreme MAGA as ideology and extreme left as conspiracy oriented.  The extreme right was not defined as MAGA until Joe’s unifing administration came along.  They are now have a cult like following.  Now we have the FBI warning of extreme MAGA backlash in case of future disappointment in the upcoming 2024 election, we have a former Secretary of State wanting to deprogram the so called MAGA people, the FBI going after Catholics and parents at school board meetings and in favor of censorship in lieu of freedom of speech.  The President has told America that half the people are extremist if they disagree with his view.

The extreme left has ideologies that defy logic that they rewrite laws to protect that logic and protest new law written to restrict the craziness.  The left is in control of the narrative through the media and calls any resistance to that narrative MAGA.  The left is very cult like in that what ever craziness they come up with, they all are 100% behind.

The art of compromising is a thing of the past with the extremes in control. We saw that with the ouster of McCarthy.

To be fair, the extreme right is trying to resist change by digging in their heals and bucking all change for the sake of bucking all change.  They just are not as committed as the left IMHO.

MAGA’s ilk has been extreme right for a while. They just weren’t mainstream with a winning candidate. Trump brought them to the forefront of the GOP.

A good example is France’s LePen and her Father. They were doing MAGA in France when Trump was still doing reality TV and identified as a democrat.

I wasn’t aware universal healthcare, forgiving student debt, and social rights defy logic to become law. Lot of countries defying logic these days I guess. 

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2 hours ago, Didba said:

MAGA’s ilk has been extreme right for a while. They just weren’t mainstream with a winning candidate. Trump brought them to the forefront of the GOP.

A good example is France’s LePen and her Father. They were doing MAGA in France when Trump was still doing reality TV and identified as a democrat.

I wasn’t aware universal healthcare, forgiving student debt, and social rights defy logic to become law. Lot of countries defying logic these days I guess. 

Putting Americans first has been mainstream up until recently.  It really didn’t depend on who was in the White House.  Trump saw a forgotten group and became their voice, even though it was a rough and crude voice.  The media has followed *the great unifier’s* lead in demonizing Make America Great Again as the modern day boogie man.  It’s ridiculous to think half of America is the enemy and divisive.

Just picking the student loan forgiveness issue;  I’m sure you’re aware that that the SCOTUS ruled that forgiving student loans can only be decided by Congress, yet Biden is still trying to get around the LAW

A lot of countries don’t have our Constitution.  Deal with in it a lawful way instead of making up EO’s to get around it.

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21 minutes ago, I_M4_AU said:

Putting Americans first has been mainstream up until recently.  It really didn’t depend on who was in the White House.  Trump saw a forgotten group and became their voice, even though it was a rough and crude voice.  The media has followed *the great unifier’s* lead in demonizing Make America Great Again as the modern day boogie man.  It’s ridiculous to think half of America is the enemy and divisive. I disagree. You are speaking to Nationalism which has not been a American foreign policy since the late 1940s when American interventionism began.

Just picking the student loan forgiveness issue;  I’m sure you’re aware that that the SCOTUS ruled that forgiving student loans can only be decided by Congress, yet Biden is still trying to get around the LAW. That isn't what SCOTUS ruled. They ruled that the Secretary of Education does not have authority under the Higher Education Relief Opportunities for Students Act of 2003 to establish a student loan forgiveness program. Not "that forgiving student loans can only be decided by Congress."

Did you even look up the LePens to see my point about how the MAGA style campaigning has been around "forever" in Europe as far right politics?

Edited October 12, 2023 by Didba

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12 minutes ago, Didba said:

Did you even look up the LePens to see my point about how the MAGA style campaigning has been around "forever" in Europe as far right politics?

I’m aware of their politics and it seem more extreme than what you call MAGA.  She was defeated in the last election.  France has been a socialist country for awhile.

ETA:  I don’t see LePens as a good comparison to conservatives in America.

Edited October 12, 2023 by I_M4_AU

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5 minutes ago, I_M4_AU said:

I’m aware of their politics and it seem more extreme than what you call MAGA.  She was defeated in the last election.  France has been a socialist country for awhile.

ETA:  I don’t see LePens as a good comparison to conservatives in America.

That's actually pretty fair. That comparison isn't accurate, at least not where things are now. Hopefully, it continues to be inaccurate.

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14 hours ago, Didba said:

That's actually pretty fair. That comparison isn't accurate, at least not where things are now. Hopefully, it continues to be inaccurate.

Let Trump get reelected and we'll leapfrog them.

There's no racist or xenophobic ideology Trump wouldn't embrace for political gain, no matter how extreme.

The only "good" thing you could say about Trump is that - unlike Hitler and most other examples -  he probably doesn't really "believe" any of them.  I don't think he has philosophical convictions about anything other than his narcissism.

Of course, the net result is the same.

Edited October 12, 2023 by homersapien

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23 hours ago, TexasTiger said:

What’s remotely inaccurate about those facts?

McCarthy made a compromise that kept the government open. A small handful of radicals in the Republican House reacted in a self-serving manner that was not in the country's much less its peoples best interest. 96% of Republicans did the right thing and voted to keep McCarthy.

Dems had a chance to help the people of this country. They did not. 208 voted with the radicals. I cannot rationalize how Dems think bringing in a new speaker, further to the right of McCarthy, is good for them or the country in general?