homersapien 11,513 Posted May 9 Share Posted May 9 (edited) 9 minutes ago, SaltyTiger said: No it doesn’t and Matthew 4:1-11 is not a description. You should read it. I think it does. Devil = evil; Trump = evil. Devil offers power; Trump offers power. "Again, the devil took him to a very high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their splendor. "All this I will give you," he said, "if you will bow down and worship me." Jesus said to him, "Away from me, Satan! For it is written: `Worship the Lord your God, and serve him only." Edited May 9 by homersapien Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaltyTiger 7,908 Posted May 9 Share Posted May 9 1 minute ago, homersapien said: You should read it. I think it does. Devil = evil; Trump = evil. Devil offers power; Trump offers power. I see. You are referring to 1 through 11 and I stand corrected. Good description of evil and power and Satan. You get a gold star but it has nothing to do with Trump. That as when Jesus was tempted by Satan for 40 days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homersapien 11,513 Posted May 9 Share Posted May 9 (edited) 15 minutes ago, SaltyTiger said: I have and yet to find a definitive answer. Try harder. It was pretty plain and straightforward. Do I need to go back and spoon feed you by quoting sentences? Just pick one of the several articles quoted. They all pretty much say the same thing regarding the attraction of evangelicals to Trump. Edited May 9 by homersapien 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaltyTiger 7,908 Posted May 9 Share Posted May 9 3 minutes ago, homersapien said: Try harder. It was pretty plain and straightforward. Do I need to go back and spoon feed you by quoting sentences? Just pick one of the several articles quoted. They all pretty much say the same thing regarding the attraction. I will try harder 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homersapien 11,513 Posted May 9 Share Posted May 9 1 minute ago, SaltyTiger said: I see. You are referring to 1 through 11 and I stand corrected. Good description of evil and power and Satan. You get a gold star but it has nothing to do with Trump. That as when Jesus was tempted by Satan for 40 days. If you truly don't see the parallel to Trump and the relevance of it to this particular discussion, I have wonder why you read the bible at all. How is any of it relative to modern life?? Hell, I'm an atheist and I get it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasTiger 13,136 Posted May 9 Author Share Posted May 9 1 hour ago, SaltyTiger said: How would anyone respond Tex. I don’t know and neither do you. Trump and supporters would not be a select crowd for the sermon. Those of us who don’t selectively put our heads in the sand have quite a few clues. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
auburnatl1 5,253 Posted May 9 Share Posted May 9 https://newrepublic.com/article/178892/trump-white-evangelical-army-destroying-nikki-haley Same for Desantis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaltyTiger 7,908 Posted May 10 Share Posted May 10 5 hours ago, homersapien said: If you truly don't see the parallel to Trump and the relevance of it to this particular discussion, I have wonder why you read the bible at all. How is any of it relative to modern life?? Hell, I'm an atheist and I get it. This “particular discussion” is about people that support Trump. It questions their Christianity. Your parallel is Trump equals satan. Nothing more than your opinion so nothing new. You do not grasp the meaning of all verses in totalitarian. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaltyTiger 7,908 Posted May 10 Share Posted May 10 4 hours ago, TexasTiger said: Those of us who don’t selectively put our heads in the sand have quite a few clues. Wait until Trump responds then do likewise? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
auburnatl1 5,253 Posted May 10 Share Posted May 10 17 minutes ago, SaltyTiger said: This “particular discussion” is about people that support Trump. It questions their Christianity. Your parallel is Trump equals satan. Nothing more than your opinion so nothing new. You do not grasp the meaning of all verses in totalitarian. I think trump creates a crisis for thoughtful evangelicals (I don’t question anyone’s faith). But more importantly, do evangelical political activists feel that that was even Christs intent? To drive politics, to wade into politics? To be - political? If so… (you know where I’m going) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AU9377 5,136 Posted May 10 Share Posted May 10 22 minutes ago, auburnatl1 said: I think trump creates a crisis for thoughtful evangelicals (I don’t question anyone’s faith). But more importantly, do evangelical political activists feel that that was even Christs intent? To drive politics, to wade into politics? To be - political? If so… (you know where I’m going) It wasn't that long ago that most pastors refused to allow their congregations to wade into political discussion. They realized the danger that posed. Today, that view is being shouted down by the loud voices. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
auburnatl1 5,253 Posted May 10 Share Posted May 10 3 minutes ago, AU9377 said: It wasn't that long ago that most pastors refused to allow their congregations to wade into political discussion. They realized the danger that posed. Today, that view is being shouted down by the loud voices. Then the loud voices should consider revisiting the New Testament. It’s pretty … definitive. Which ultimately is the bigger issue beyond just theTrump creepy stuff. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaltyTiger 7,908 Posted May 10 Share Posted May 10 38 minutes ago, auburnatl1 said: I think trump creates a crisis for thoughtful evangelicals (I don’t question anyone’s faith). But more importantly, do evangelical political activists feel that that was even Christs intent? To drive politics, to wade into politics? To be - political? If so… (you know where I’m going) Different world than than I live in. Attend church and or Sunday school most weeks and never hear politics mentioned other than coffee humor talk prior to services. Saying I have never met an “ evangelical political activist “. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaltyTiger 7,908 Posted May 10 Share Posted May 10 24 minutes ago, AU9377 said: It wasn't that long ago that most pastors refused to allow their congregations to wade into political discussion. They realized the danger that posed. Today, that view is being shouted down by the loud voices. How did pastors not allow it and who is “shouting down”? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jj3jordan 2,081 Posted May 10 Share Posted May 10 18 hours ago, homersapien said: If you truly don't see the parallel to Trump and the relevance of it to this particular discussion, I have wonder why you read the bible at all. How is any of it relative to modern life?? Hell, I'm an atheist and I get it. That's your parallel. Why are you quoting the Bible? You don't believe in God, or the Bible. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey 16,777 Posted May 10 Share Posted May 10 Trump! Trump! Trump! Why don't I ever see anything on here about why the liberals/Democrats want Biden to serve another four years? All I've ever seen is some form of "He's not Trump". Your guy will be worse for America than Trump will be. So yes, I've spent some time and thought about who should be our next president and it's Trump all the way. Forget Trump for a few minutes and consider the disaster that Biden's presidency has been and ask yourself if you want four more years of that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasTiger 13,136 Posted May 10 Author Share Posted May 10 1 hour ago, Mikey said: Trump! Trump! Trump! Why don't I ever see anything on here about why the liberals/Democrats want Biden to serve another four years? All I've ever seen is some form of "He's not Trump". Your guy will be worse for America than Trump will be. So yes, I've spent some time and thought about who should be our next president and it's Trump all the way. Forget Trump for a few minutes and consider the disaster that Biden's presidency has been and ask yourself if you want four more years of that. Why will Trump be better? What’s the disaster he will fix and how will he fix it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoffeeTiger 5,228 Posted May 10 Share Posted May 10 1 hour ago, Mikey said: Your guy will be worse for America than Trump will be. 1 hour ago, Mikey said: So yes, I've spent some time and thought about who should be our next president and it's Trump all the way. 1 hour ago, Mikey said: Forget Trump for a few minutes and consider the disaster that Biden's presidency has been and ask yourself if you want four more years of that. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aubiefifty 17,100 Posted May 10 Share Posted May 10 20 hours ago, SaltyTiger said: I will try harder tell your wife that......... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I_M4_AU 8,056 Posted May 10 Share Posted May 10 20 hours ago, TexasTiger said: Those of us who don’t selectively put our heads in the sand have quite a few clues. Interesting, 38 minutes ago, TexasTiger said: Why will Trump be better? What’s the disaster he will fix and how will he fix it? Are you selectively putting your head in the sand about the problems Biden has single handily created? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homersapien 11,513 Posted May 10 Share Posted May 10 (edited) 15 hours ago, auburnatl1 said: Then the loud voices should consider revisiting the New Testament. It’s pretty … definitive. Which ultimately is the bigger issue beyond just theTrump creepy stuff. I agree. But according to Salty, "You do not grasp the meaning of all verses in totalitarian." (Whatever that means...) Edited May 10 by homersapien 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homersapien 11,513 Posted May 10 Share Posted May 10 (edited) 3 hours ago, jj3jordan said: That's your parallel. Why are you quoting the Bible? You don't believe in God, or the Bible. I certainly believe in the Bible as a book of philosophy and religion. I can see it. I can hold it. There is a lot of wisdom in it regarding human behavior. True, I don't believe in the Gods referenced in it. None of that prevents me from noting the hypocrisy of self-identified Christians who claim they believe it. They are clearly cherry-picking the parts that serve them personally in which to "believe". Edited May 10 by homersapien Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homersapien 11,513 Posted May 10 Share Posted May 10 15 hours ago, SaltyTiger said: How did pastors not allow it and who is “shouting down”? If you did your homework and read some of the referenced articles posted earlier in this thread, you might have a clue. Please try to keep up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey 16,777 Posted May 10 Share Posted May 10 5 hours ago, TexasTiger said: Why will Trump be better? What’s the disaster he will fix and how will he fix it? Close the border, or at least try. Foreign leaders fear him, they think he's a loose cannon. Their only opinion of Biden is a weak, incompetent fool. Turn American industry and business loose and thus reduce inflation. I could go on until dark but those are a few high points. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
creed 1,666 Posted May 10 Share Posted May 10 (edited) 33 minutes ago, Mikey said: Close the border, or at least try. Foreign leaders fear him, they think he's a loose cannon. Their only opinion of Biden is a weak, incompetent fool. Turn American industry and business loose and thus reduce inflation. I could go on until dark but those are a few high points. Closing the borders is a bad plan. Why? Because all our past U.S. representatives have run up a huge debt that needs to be reduced. Cutting spending alone will not get it done. We will have to produce (and cut) our way out of the debt issue. The US doesn’t have enough workers to increase production unless we allow lots of migrants. Edited May 10 by creed 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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