WarTiger 3,915 Posted June 11, 2009 Share Posted June 11, 2009 Alabama's not going on probation under Saban. You know I really hate to bring up this little tidbit and embarrass you...wait.....No i don't. It's what happens when you deal in absolutes and with that constant arrogance. Should we serve With BBQ, Sweet and Sour, or do you have another preferred flavor? Seems you inserted both feet there. Would you prefer it roasted, baked, or deep fried? So, the NCAA has fired its warning shot....3 years of PROBATION.... FOURTH time since 1995 that the ncaa has come calling... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BamaGrad03 0 Posted June 12, 2009 Share Posted June 12, 2009 Yeah yeah yeah. Take it out of context. That's fine. You guys have been calling Saban a cheater for 2 years. You can use tricky semantics and context to make WC look bad. But you know what he meant. The implication was that Saban's "cheating" was gonna get us in trouble. WinCrimson disagreed. Today's NCAA verdict for something that happened under Shula doesn't change WinCrimson's position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarTiger 3,915 Posted June 12, 2009 Author Share Posted June 12, 2009 bg, nothing is being taken out of context here. He clearly says: Uat is NOT going on probation under saban...nothing else..no conditions are attached to that post. That's the entire post...period...end of post... Is, or is not saban currently the coach at uat? Did or did not, uat just receive a 3 year probation from the ncaa? YES on both counts...Therefore, uat just went on probation while under saban... You are right, it doesn't change his position...he's still WRONG... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BamaGrad03 0 Posted June 12, 2009 Share Posted June 12, 2009 bg, nothing is being taken out of context here. He clearly says: Uat is NOT going on probation under saban...nothing else..no conditions are attached to that post. That's the entire post...period...end of post... Is, or is not saban currently the coach at uat? Did or did not, uat just receive a 3 year probation from the ncaa? YES on both counts...Therefore, uat just went on probation while under saban... You are right, it doesn't change his position...he's still WRONG... It is taken out of context...because it doesn't validate the original position...which was "Saban's a cheater and HE'S going to get ya'll put on probation" Which hasn't occurred. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rebdawg 5 Posted June 12, 2009 Share Posted June 12, 2009 Bama cheats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUloggerhead 2,252 Posted June 12, 2009 Share Posted June 12, 2009 Over 200 scholarship athletes at uat were involved in the textbook cheating scam including five football players. In addition. one of $abun's football players was caught peddling cocaine out in the parking lot. Is any one in charge over there? If the coaching staff at uat is not doing any type of minimal oversight or monitoring of their players, then what exactly are they doing? Either they simply don't care or they're looking the other way -- which is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BamaGrad03 0 Posted June 12, 2009 Share Posted June 12, 2009 Over 200 scholarship athletes at uat were involved in the textbook cheating scam including five football players. In addition. one of $abun's football players was caught peddling cocaine out in the parking lot. Is any one in charge over there? If the coaching staff at uat is not doing any type of minimal oversight or monitoring of their players, then what exactly are they doing? Either they simply don't care or they're looking the other way -- which is it? Obviously the NCAA didn't think it was a big deal. We didn't get LOIC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUloggerhead 2,252 Posted June 12, 2009 Share Posted June 12, 2009 Over 200 scholarship athletes at uat were involved in the textbook cheating scam including five football players. In addition. one of $abun's football players was caught peddling cocaine out in the parking lot. Is any one in charge over there? If the coaching staff at uat is not doing any type of minimal oversight or monitoring of their players, then what exactly are they doing? Either they simply don't care or they're looking the other way -- which is it? Obviously the NCAA didn't think it was a big deal. We didn't get LOIC. Here's something else: The NCAA only implicated 201 scholarship athletes back to the 2005 year because your university conveniently couldn't produce any records before that -- meaning the total extent & exact number of uat cheaters will never be known. And, only 22 admitted that they knew the textbook scam was against the rules. So, if only 10-11% of uat scholarship atheletes knew they were doing something wrong, what does that say about 90% of uat athletes -- are they just your stereotypical Big Dummies, or are they just totally oblivious to the culture of corruption surrounding uat? You make the call. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNewby 27 Posted June 13, 2009 Share Posted June 13, 2009 It's inevitable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarTiger 3,915 Posted June 13, 2009 Author Share Posted June 13, 2009 bg, nothing is being taken out of context here. He clearly says: Uat is NOT going on probation under saban...nothing else..no conditions are attached to that post. That's the entire post...period...end of post... Is, or is not saban currently the coach at uat? Did or did not, uat just receive a 3 year probation from the ncaa? YES on both counts...Therefore, uat just went on probation while under saban... You are right, it doesn't change his position...he's still WRONG... It is taken out of context...because it doesn't validate the original position...which was "Saban's a cheater and HE'S going to get ya'll put on probation" Which hasn't occurred. If you want to spin his statement that way to help you sleep at night that's fine. You didn't say it, he did... again, NO CONDITIONS attached to it....just.....uat isn't going on probation under saban...yet they JUST DID.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BamaGrad03 0 Posted June 14, 2009 Share Posted June 14, 2009 How is it a win for you though? The ENTIRE thread was about how "Saban cheats" or whatever...the implication was that Saban was going to do something to get us on probation. That still hasn't happened. So sure, you get a win for semantics. But it's got to be a little hollow huh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerHeat 9 Posted June 15, 2009 Share Posted June 15, 2009 How is it a win for you though? The ENTIRE thread was about how "Saban cheats" or whatever...the implication was that Saban was going to do something to get us on probation. That still hasn't happened. So sure, you get a win for semantics. But it's got to be a little hollow huh? Saban is directly and personally responsible for the administration of scholarships to his student athletes. He may not have "cheated", but he sure as hell failed to supervise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BamaGrad03 0 Posted June 16, 2009 Share Posted June 16, 2009 How is it a win for you though? The ENTIRE thread was about how "Saban cheats" or whatever...the implication was that Saban was going to do something to get us on probation. That still hasn't happened. So sure, you get a win for semantics. But it's got to be a little hollow huh? Saban is directly and personally responsible for the administration of scholarships to his student athletes. He may not have "cheated", but he sure as hell failed to supervise. So it's Saban's job to monitor textbook distribution? Awesome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitanTiger 20,509 Posted June 16, 2009 Share Posted June 16, 2009 How is it a win for you though? The ENTIRE thread was about how "Saban cheats" or whatever...the implication was that Saban was going to do something to get us on probation. That still hasn't happened. So sure, you get a win for semantics. But it's got to be a little hollow huh? Saban is directly and personally responsible for the administration of scholarships to his student athletes. He may not have "cheated", but he sure as hell failed to supervise. So it's Saban's job to monitor textbook distribution? Awesome. No. It is his job to make sure someone on his staff or in the athletic department is monitoring it though. This is not something that should have only been caught by a conscientious store employee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BamaGrad03 0 Posted June 17, 2009 Share Posted June 17, 2009 No, it's not his job to ensure some tangential compliance issue is taken care of, any more than it's the volleyball coach's job, or the tennis coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerHeat 9 Posted June 17, 2009 Share Posted June 17, 2009 No, it's not his job to ensure some tangential compliance issue is taken care of, any more than it's the volleyball coach's job, or the tennis coach. The fact that you don't understand this basic item is the reason your school is back to hanging by a thread. Right now you think it's a 4" steel cable. Whatever you do, don't look down. It's really 4 lb test line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BamaGrad03 0 Posted June 17, 2009 Share Posted June 17, 2009 No, it's not his job to ensure some tangential compliance issue is taken care of, any more than it's the volleyball coach's job, or the tennis coach. The fact that you don't understand this basic item is the reason your school is back to hanging by a thread. Right now you think it's a 4" steel cable. Whatever you do, don't look down. It's really 4 lb test line. THat's not the issue at hand is it? That "basic item" should have been policed by someone in administration level or someone in compliance. To expect Saban to do it, or imply that he is somehow culpable is hilarious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUloggerhead 2,252 Posted June 17, 2009 Share Posted June 17, 2009 No, it's not his job to ensure some tangential compliance issue is taken care of, any more than it's the volleyball coach's job, or the tennis coach. The fact that you don't understand this basic item is the reason your school is back to hanging by a thread. Right now you think it's a 4" steel cable. Whatever you do, don't look down. It's really 4 lb test line. THat's not the issue at hand is it? That "basic item" should have been policed by someone in administration level or someone in compliance. To expect Saban to do it, or imply that he is somehow culpable is hilarious. $abun isn't expected to physically monitor his players for compliance, he's obligated to at least hire someone to ensure compliance. Either way, he's still responsible for seeing it gets done. You must admit: his reputation for relentless hard work, burning the midnight oil, leaving no stone unturned, yada yada, has taken a beating on overseeing compliance with NCAA rules. Perhaps, he's just not interested in this aspect of being a head coach? The casual observer might even believe $abun doesn't think it's that important. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerHeat 9 Posted June 17, 2009 Share Posted June 17, 2009 No, it's not his job to ensure some tangential compliance issue is taken care of, any more than it's the volleyball coach's job, or the tennis coach. The fact that you don't understand this basic item is the reason your school is back to hanging by a thread. Right now you think it's a 4" steel cable. Whatever you do, don't look down. It's really 4 lb test line. THat's not the issue at hand is it? That "basic item" should have been policed by someone in administration level or someone in compliance. To expect Saban to do it, or imply that he is somehow culpable is hilarious. No, it's not hilarious...it's PROBATION. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarTiger 3,915 Posted June 17, 2009 Author Share Posted June 17, 2009 No, it's not his job to ensure some tangential compliance issue is taken care of, any more than it's the volleyball coach's job, or the tennis coach. The fact that you don't understand this basic item is the reason your school is back to hanging by a thread. Right now you think it's a 4" steel cable. Whatever you do, don't look down. It's really 4 lb test line. THat's not the issue at hand is it? That "basic item" should have been policed by someone in administration level or someone in compliance. To expect Saban to do it, or imply that he is somehow culpable is hilarious. No, it's not hilarious...it's PROBATION. Actually in this case...it's BOTH HILARIOUS AND PROBATION... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BamaGrad03 0 Posted June 17, 2009 Share Posted June 17, 2009 he's obligated to at least hire someone to ensure compliance So now, not only is Saban supposed to oversee textbook distribution according to Titan...but now he's also responsible for hiring compliance officers as well? Does the track coach get a say? How bout the baseball coach? You guys either A) don't really believe this s*** and are just putting it out there because you so desperately want to find a way to pin this on Saban... or B.) have no freaking clue as to how compliance and administration athletic oversight works. I think it's both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUloggerhead 2,252 Posted June 18, 2009 Share Posted June 18, 2009 he's obligated to at least hire someone to ensure compliance ...Does the track coach get a say? How bout the baseball coach? Yes, and yes. And add both basketball coaches & both track coaches, softball & gymnastics, equestrian and ... all 16 sports that had cheating scholarship athletes. You can probably leave out the bass fishermen as I doubt they do a whole lot of reading anyway. Just clean up that cesspool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BamaGrad03 0 Posted June 18, 2009 Share Posted June 18, 2009 he's obligated to at least hire someone to ensure compliance ...Does the track coach get a say? How bout the baseball coach? Yes, and yes. And add both basketball coaches & both track coaches, softball & gymnastics, equestrian and ... all 16 sports that had cheating scholarship athletes. You can probably leave out the bass fishermen as I doubt they do a whole lot of reading anyway. Just clean up that cesspool. That doesn't answer the question. Just because the track coach had athletes who got textbooks when they shouldn't have, doesn't mean it was the track coach's responsibility to oversee the hiring of compliance officers. To argue otherwise is just silly. And most of your brethren agree, that's why it's so quiet on the matter. There's not a track coach on the planet who oversees the hiring of textbook compliance officers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUloggerhead 2,252 Posted June 18, 2009 Share Posted June 18, 2009 he's obligated to at least hire someone to ensure compliance ...Does the track coach get a say? How bout the baseball coach? Yes, and yes. And add both basketball coaches & both track coaches, softball & gymnastics, equestrian and ... all 16 sports that had cheating scholarship athletes. You can probably leave out the bass fishermen as I doubt they do a whole lot of reading anyway. Just clean up that cesspool. That doesn't answer the question. Just because the track coach had athletes who got textbooks when they shouldn't have, doesn't mean it was the track coach's responsibility to oversee the hiring of compliance officers. To argue otherwise is just silly. And most of your brethren agree, that's why it's so quiet on the matter. There's not a track coach on the planet who oversees the hiring of textbook compliance officers. You're right -- absolutely nothing needs to change over there. All the uat team coaches should just continue doing things the same old way they've always been doing. In the meantime, I hope $abun, et al are relishing their 12-15 record and the next 3 years of probation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BamaGrad03 0 Posted June 18, 2009 Share Posted June 18, 2009 You're right -- absolutely nothing needs to change over there. All the uat team coaches should just continue doing things the same old way they've always been doing. In the meantime, I hope $abun, et al are relishing their 12-15 record and the next 3 years of probation. agree.gif This has nothing to do with the assertion that it's Saban's job to oversee the hiring of people who oversee textbook distribution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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