MDM4AU 336 Posted August 13, 2004 Share Posted August 13, 2004 He may have been talking about the reference to what most would use an ATV for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitanTiger 20,510 Posted August 13, 2004 Share Posted August 13, 2004 Oh boy. Here we go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitanTiger 20,510 Posted August 13, 2004 Share Posted August 13, 2004 He may have been talking about the reference to what most would use an ATV for. I was referring to: I have no mercy for those homosexual types. In what way? Regardless of how you feel about their behavior, are they not people? What other categories of sinful behavior fall beyond the cutoff point for getting any mercy from you? There is no room for mud-riders in the Auburn Family. Wow. Just, wow. Because someone is gay, we should reject them even from a group that is associated by their love for a school and its football team. Wow. And there is definitely no room for homosexuals in government Do you have a list of sins that disqualify one from government? I'm just wondering if we should extend this line of thinking to people who are unrepentant adulterers, fornicators, people who have divorced without a Scriptural reason, and so on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weagle98 119 Posted August 13, 2004 Share Posted August 13, 2004 I am secure in the fact that I'm married and heterosexual. I have no mercy for those homosexual types. It is a choice, just like one chooses to have consensual sex with an intern. In my opinion, there is no room for mud-riders in the Auburn Family.   And, there is definitely no room for homosexuals in government. This is patently offensive. How is this patently offensive? I thought the choice of words left everything to individual interpretation. Except for the word "homosexual", there were no offensive statements. Only my opinions were expressed. In my opinion, the "homosexuality" demon carries with it demons of "violence." Anyone not covered in the "blood" is open to attack by said demons. http://www.meta-religion.com/Secret_societ...emons_traps.htm THE SEVEN MAJOR DIVISIONS OF HELL 2.Sexual lust is the second division, led by the demon Larz. This area includes such sexual practices as homosexuality, adultery, and bisexuality, as well as any other sexual perversions. ___________________________________________________________________ http://www.letusreason.org/Pent24.htm "It is true that certain areas need to be avoided like the plague (the occult, sex outside marriage, homosexuality, and various altered states of conciousness)." To me, that includes not associating with these types. ____________________________________________________________________ http://diskbooks.org/part2.html#hs2a7 Welp guess I was wrong. :roll: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ranger12 46 Posted August 14, 2004 Share Posted August 14, 2004 Told you guys he was being serious. BF is bipolar to the extreme. Hey BF, we are supposed to hate the sin, but love the sinner. A gay person still has a soul and being hateful towards them is not going to accomplish anything except push them away further from the truth. I do remember a few scriptures in which we were told not to judge others. I don't agree with their lifestyle either, but I work with a gay guy and he is a great guy. He knows I don't agree with his lifestyle and he knows that, but we get along great. Heck, actually he is one of the few homosexuals that you will meet that knows that his lifestyle does not line up with the Bible and he does not try to pretend that it is a normal lifestyle. He is even voting for Bush! I guess that means you hate him even more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bottomfeeder 244 Posted August 14, 2004 Share Posted August 14, 2004 Told you guys he was being serious. BF is bipolar to the extreme. Hey BF, we are supposed to hate the sin, but love the sinner. A gay person still has a soul and being hateful towards them is not going to accomplish anything except push them away further from the truth. I do remember a few scriptures in which we were told not to judge others. I don't agree with their lifestyle either, but I work with a gay guy and he is a great guy. He knows I don't agree with his lifestyle and he knows that, but we get along great. Heck, actually he is one of the few homosexuals that you will meet that knows that his lifestyle does not line up with the Bible and he does not try to pretend that it is a normal lifestyle. He is even voting for Bush! I guess that means you hate him even more. I never said hate, you did. As far as acceptance, sure I would accept them after they repent and are delievered. But, until they are willing to let go of such a thing I will show "no mercy." This statement means exactly what it says, and should be interpreted by the individual reading it, and not the writer. HINT: "mercy" is an angel. Now after you thought about what I wrote you should able to figure it out. I cannot show mercy, only God can. But as an Overcomer I can "grant mercy." And Yes, I grant mercy to the homosexual through the blood Jesus Christ. Proverbs 20:28 Mercy and truth preserve the king: and his Throne is upholden by Mercy. (KJV) It’s important to understand that Mercy is for the Guilty. If you are innocent, then you do not need mercy. Those who sit in God’s throne will grant mercy to those who are G-U-I-L-T-Y. The Remnant will grant mercy to every Spirit. They will have been forgiven of much and will respectively forgive others. Now read the parable Jesus told us, Matt. 18:23-35 Therefore is the kingdom of heaven likened unto a certain king, which would take account of his servants. 24 And when he had begun to reckon, one was brought unto him, which owed him ten thousand talents. 25 But forasmuch as he had not to pay, his lord commanded him to be sold, and his wife, and children, and all that he had, and payment to be made. 26 The servant therefore fell down, and worshipped him, saying, Lord, have patience with me, and I will pay thee all. 27 Then the lord of that servant was moved with compassion, and loosed him, and forgave him the debt. 28 But the same servant went out, and found one of his fellowservants, which owed him an hundred pence: and he laid hands on him, and took him by the throat, saying, Pay me that thou owest. 29 And his fellowservant fell down at his feet, and besought him, saying, Have patience with me, and I will pay thee all. 30 And he would not: but went and cast him into prison, till he should pay the debt. 31 So when his fellowservants saw what was done, they were very sorry, and came and told unto their lord all that was done. 32 Then his lord, after that he had called him, said unto him, O thou wicked servant, I forgave thee all that debt, because thou desiredst me: 33 Shouldest not thou also have had compassion on thy fellowservant, even as I had pity on thee? 34 And his lord was wroth, and delivered him to the tormentors, till he should pay all that was due unto him. 35 So likewise shall my heavenly Father do also unto you, if ye from your hearts forgive not every one his brother their trespasses. (KJV) The quickest way to loose your reward is to not forgive others. That does not mean your Spirit will not be saved, but you will not receive the salvation of your Soul and Body. It sounds technical but, nonetheless separating Spirit, Soul and Body helps to clear up apparent contradictions in the Bible. There are degrees of rewards in heaven… Bi-Polar, LOL! I was so bored, while serving in South Korea, I read the dictionary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiger88 934 Posted August 14, 2004 Share Posted August 14, 2004 BottomFeeder - BF - BuFu. Freudian slip? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ranger12 46 Posted August 14, 2004 Share Posted August 14, 2004 Again BF, makes absolutely no sense and again he totally butchers scripture into meaning something else. BF, your words were hateful, so don't try to back track on that. Also, we all need mercy from God, because not a single one of us is perfect. We are told to strive for perfection, but as far as I know only Christ has ever achieved that. You said you will show no mercy until they let go of their sin. Well, I guess God needs to strike you down where you stand the next time you commit a sin, because going by your thinking, He should not show you any mercy. If you want to be shown mercy by God, then you have to be able to show it to others. God tells us he can't forgive us if we don't forgive others. That is the same as mercy and grace. Oh wait, apparently you forgot about that being in the Bible. God did not say you had to embrace the sin, but you do have to love your neighbor as yourself. When you proclaim yourself as a Christian, then you should inherit a sincere love for everybody and truly hurt for each lost soul. Your words showed neither my friend. They portrayed bitterness and anger towards a person that God created. If you can't look past the sin and see there is a real person that needs to know the love of God and realize that they are hurting, then how to you expect God to show grace and mercy towards you? I am going to call you out and tell you straight out that it is people like that you that give Christianity a bad name by the way you totally butcher and twist scripture, which is borderline blasphemous and then spew hateful things out of your mouth! Sometimes we make fun of you, but actually it truly disturbs me and it makes you very dangerous person. When you are talking your screwy politics, that is one thing, but when you start messing with the Word like that, I can't make light of that bro! You laugh that I call you bipolar, but I was serious, because alot of the things that come out of your mouth are contradictory. Your screwed up political views don't even line up with your messed up religious views. BF, you made a post one time that you were a war veteran and I asked you where you served. You never answered me, but now you say you served in South Korea. Seeing how you are only 42 years old (according to your profile), that eliminates the Korean and Vietnam Wars. So what war are you a veteran of or am I mistaken by thinking you said you were a war veteran? Maybe you said you were a veteran and I misunderstood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bottomfeeder 244 Posted August 14, 2004 Share Posted August 14, 2004 BF, you made a post one time that you were a war veteran and I asked you where you served. You never answered me, but now you say you served in South Korea. Seeing how you are only 42 years old (according to your profile), that eliminates the Korean and Vietnam Wars. So what war are you a veteran of or am I mistaken by thinking you said you were a war veteran? Maybe you said you were a veteran and I misunderstood. I never said "WAR VETERAN." Your perception might have been that I was a WAR VETERAN, but the only war know is spiritual war. Find that post, I'm sure you can find it. As far as political vs. religious, well, I'm sorry you fell that way. And, since the entire cannon wasn't released, we have people like you that don't read the rest of the story. My statements are those of a knowledgeable christian who destests sin. Love the sinner, I know it says that. I believe the cannon, as we know it, was altered, centuries ago by the Roman Catholic Church (a.k.a. -The Whore of Babylon), to say exactly what they (demonic cult practicing pagan rituals) want us to believe and do. Love the sinner but not the sin, easy for Jesus, but not for me. To me it sounds like some kind of socialist insert. Oh yea, the definition of "grace": "the divine influence upon the heart, and its reflection in the life." Next, let's look up mercy: I have the hard copy of Strong's, give me a minute. compassion, compassionate. Okay, :to compassionate (by word or deed, spec. by divine grace):- have compassion (pity on), have (obtain, receive, show) mercy (on). Oh, there's that word again, grace. So, I'm not so compassionate, neither is Dubya. He says it too much and his actions are not compassionate. Christ commanded us to love one another. Well, he didn't specify how much, and I am only able to love as much as the Christ in me is allowed to show (my will vs. His will). There are some areas of the old me that seem to never want to go away, even after deliverance, healing and sealing. One of those areas is mercy for the sinner guilty of "abomination" in the eyes of God. Maybe you are, spiritually, more mature than I, so be it. If I haven't given up that part of my old self yet, that makes me spiritually immature, and for that, the real christian would know, and attempt to make me accountable, pray for me and rebuke me without attempting to defraud or deface me. So, do you care to restate yourself? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LegalEagle 22 Posted August 14, 2004 Share Posted August 14, 2004 God did not say you had to embrace the sin, but you do have to love your neighbor as yourself. When you proclaim yourself as a Christian, then you should inherit a sincere love for everybody and truly hurt for each lost soul. Am I misinterpreting this or did Ranger12 just admit he loves Kerry? *grin* And I do feel that true hurt for Bush! *grin* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bottomfeeder 244 Posted August 14, 2004 Share Posted August 14, 2004 God did not say you had to embrace the sin, but you do have to love your neighbor as yourself. When you proclaim yourself as a Christian, then you should inherit a sincere love for everybody and truly hurt for each lost soul. Two Kinds of Vessels By Milburn Cockrell "Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it,Why hast thou made me thus? Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonor? What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction: And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory" (Rom. 9:20-23). In I Thessalonians 5:9 Paul said: "For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ." These words suggest that God did appoint some to wrath who are called in my text "vessels of wrath." http://users.aol.com/libcfl/vessels.htm Two reasons are given as to why God shows His wrath upon some. First, it was because God is willing to show His wrath. The punishment upon these vessels of wrath will be made an occasion of God's exhibition of His holy anger against sin. His hatred of sin is absolute, and the vessels of wrath will be made to experience it to the fullest extent. The entrance of sin into the world was necessary to manifest God's wrath and hatred for sin. He tolerates sin in the world for the very purpose of glorifying Himself in its punishment. Second, it was to "make his power known." This truth is illustrated in the case of Pharoah (Rom. 9:17). The power of God is what punishes men for their sins. Their destruction proceeds from "the glory of his power" (II Thess. 1:9). The eternal damnation of some sinners will demonstrate to the universe the power of God. Sin in its nature is a dishonor to God, but He overrules it so as to turn the destruction of the wicked to His glory. This is a most wonderful display of Divine power to men and angels. The Scripture says in Proverbs 16:4: "The LORD hath made all things for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil." "For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion . . . Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth" (Rom. 9:15,18). VESSELS OF MERCY Verse 23 of Romans 9 mentions "vessels of mercy." This means men toward whom God's mercy was to be displayed. These vessels would receive mercy when in a miserable state of sin and wickedness. They were destined to be objects of God's mercy, not because they deserved mercy more than others, but because God had purposed to fill them with His mercy. This mercy is an act of God's sovereignty because He says: "I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy . . . So then it is not of him that willeth nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy" (Rom. 9:15-16). The vessels of wrath "shall have judgment without mercy" (Jas. 2:13), but the vessels of mercy have "obtained mercy of the Lord" (I Cor. 7:25; cf. I Tim. 1:16; II Tim. 1:18; I Pet. 2:10). These vessels of mercy are not saved by their good works, but they are saved "according to his mercy" (Tit. 3:5). They can approach the throne of grace and "obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need" (Heb. 4:16). Their hope of everlasting happiness is the hope that they "may find mercy of the Lord in that day" (II Tim. 1:18). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ranger12 46 Posted August 14, 2004 Share Posted August 14, 2004 Am I misinterpreting this or did Ranger12 just admit he loves Kerry? *grin*And I do feel that true hurt for Bush! *grin* As one of my buddies said one time, " God says I gotta love him, but He did not say I had to like him". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DKW 86 7,440 Posted August 14, 2004 Share Posted August 14, 2004 Am I misinterpreting this or did Ranger12 just admit he loves Kerry? *grin*And I do feel that true hurt for Bush! *grin* As one of my buddies said one time, " God says I gotta love him, but He did not say I had to like him". Amen! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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