TheBlueVue 177 Posted November 30, 2016 Author Share Posted November 30, 2016 8 minutes ago, icanthearyou said: I think you are so emotionally/politically invested that you simply cannot appreciate the depth of the crisis he dealt with from day one. It also appears that you have a very limited understanding of economics, globalization, trends, demographics. In your simplistic, partisan thinking, Obama could never do anything right and, Trump will never do anything wrong. Frankly, your level of discussion is boring, childish, petty, ignorant. LOL project much? Emotion has nothing to do with it and neither does all the "yeah buts" he inherited a mess. So did Reagan but the results were drastically different and I expect they will be vastly different with Trump. I get it..you're a genius and I'm a moron but that doesn't really solve Obamas dilemma of overseeing the decline of the labor force participation rate back to 1977 levels. 7 minutes ago, homersapien said: this I h Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBlueVue 177 Posted November 30, 2016 Author Share Posted November 30, 2016 11 minutes ago, homersapien said: When and where did Obama make that claim? The only thing I could find was: "We've seen more manufacturing jobs created since I've been president than anytime since the 1990s. That's a fact," Obama said. Politifact rated that as "half true" http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/jun/16/barack-obama/obama-weve-seen-more-manufacturing-jobs-created-an/ and yet there are almost 10 million more government jobs in America than manufacturing jobs and you believe we're in great shape...LOL http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/terence-p-jeffrey/government-workers-now-outnumber-manufacturing-workers-9932000 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homersapien 11,393 Posted November 30, 2016 Share Posted November 30, 2016 43 minutes ago, TheBlueVue said: and yet there are almost 10 million more government jobs in America than manufacturing jobs and you believe we're in great shape...LOL http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/terence-p-jeffrey/government-workers-now-outnumber-manufacturing-workers-9932000 You didn't answer my question. LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RunInRed 16,438 Posted November 30, 2016 Share Posted November 30, 2016 Interesting strategy from a "conservative" ... more interesting conservatives are cheering it. Quote In the end, UTC agreed to retain approximately 800 manufacturing jobs at the Indiana plant that had been slated to move to Mexico, as well as another 300 engineering and headquarters jobs. In return, the company will get roughly $700,000 a year for a period of years in state tax incentives. Some 1,300 jobs will still go to Mexico, which includes 600 Carrier employees, plus 700 workers from UTEC Controls in Huntington, Ind. The company has plans in place to offer displaced workers employment and relocation in UTC’s aerospace business, or to provide funding for reeducation. http://fortune.com/2016/11/30/donald-trump-carrier-deal-jobs/ So, in the end, we "saved' 800/2,100 jobs at a cost of $700,000 per year. Or to put it another way ... Every savvy CEO will now threaten to ship jobs to Mexico, and demand a payment to stay. Great economic policy. https://t.co/t2WAJOgh8F — Justin Wolfers (@JustinWolfers) November 30, 2016 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homersapien 11,393 Posted November 30, 2016 Share Posted November 30, 2016 And, now for the rest of the story.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
icanthearyou 4,463 Posted November 30, 2016 Share Posted November 30, 2016 3 hours ago, TheBlueVue said: and yet there are almost 10 million more government jobs in America than manufacturing jobs and you believe we're in great shape...LOL http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/terence-p-jeffrey/government-workers-now-outnumber-manufacturing-workers-9932000 Meaningless. The federal workforce has been shrinking since the 1950s. This "phenomenon", your article points to began in the 1989. It has nothing to do with the current administration and, little to do with the federal government. Idiotic presentation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homersapien 11,393 Posted November 30, 2016 Share Posted November 30, 2016 Interesting read: How a New Jobless Era Will Transform America The Great Recession may be over, but this era of high joblessness is probably just beginning. Before it ends, it will likely change the life course and character of a generation of young adults. It will leave an indelible imprint on many blue-collar men. It could cripple marriage as an institution in many communities. It may already be plunging many inner cities into a despair not seen for decades. Ultimately, it is likely to warp our politics, our culture, and the character of our society for years to come. DON PECK MARCH 2010 ISSUE BUSINESS http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2010/03/how-a-new-jobless-era-will-transform-america/307919/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasTiger 12,961 Posted November 30, 2016 Share Posted November 30, 2016 19 hours ago, TexasTiger said: You made a claim-- it is your responsibility on this forum to back it up-- can you? "All the unemployment rate does is look at 1st time claims .... Blue is correct...we have fewer American's working than at anytime since Carter was President...and when Carter was president there were only ~227m people in the country...now there are ~330m...." @japantiger, do you have evidence of this claim or do you wish to retract? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AURaptor 1,125 Posted November 30, 2016 Share Posted November 30, 2016 2 hours ago, RunInRed said: Interesting strategy from a "conservative" ... more interesting conservatives are cheering it. So, in the end, we "saved' 800/2,100 jobs at a cost of $700,000 per year. Or to put it another way ... Still a far better deal than the Stimulus package. And Trump is literally making America great again. He's not even in office, and he's working deals to keep jobs here. My god, the freaking hysteria of him actually doing what he said he'd do is killing the Left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUUSN 823 Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 Alt righties be like: 1000 Carrier jobs saved through tax payer funds...Awesome! 1-2 million auto manufacturing jobs saved through tax payer funds...Socialism! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaltyTiger 7,816 Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 tax incentive - not fund http://www.businessdictionary.com/definition/tax-incentive.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AURaptor 1,125 Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 1 minute ago, SaltyTiger said: tax incentive - not fund http://www.businessdictionary.com/definition/tax-incentive.html Leftists live in a world where tax $ belong to the Gov't, and we ungrateful plebeians are " allowed " to keep what the ImperialFederalGovt deems necessary. Tax ' cuts ' , or any reduction in taxes are viewed as payments BY the got, not productive citizens willingly giving less of their $ to be spent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaltyTiger 7,816 Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 2 minutes ago, AURaptor said: Leftists live in a world where tax $ belong to the Gov't, and we ungrateful plebeians are " allowed " to keep what the ImperialFederalGovt deems necessary. Tax ' cuts ' , or any reduction in taxes are viewed as payments BY the got, not productive citizens willingly giving less of their $ to be spent. don't think they understand why we called it Government Motors Corporation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUUSN 823 Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 7 minutes ago, SaltyTiger said: tax incentive - not fund http://www.businessdictionary.com/definition/tax-incentive.html It has to be paid for! Budgets are planned based on future tax income! This wasn't forcasted, hence, taxpayers have to make it up, Good grief. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaltyTiger 7,816 Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 2 minutes ago, AUUSN said: It has to be paid for! Budgets are planned based on future tax income! This wasn't forcasted, hence, taxpayers have to make it up, Good grief. whose budgets do we speak of? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUUSN 823 Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 1 minute ago, SaltyTiger said: whose budgets do we speak of? Indiana's budget. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaltyTiger 7,816 Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 then create a tax base large enough to take care of their budget. cut the budget were needed. that is were we differ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AURaptor 1,125 Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 Repatriating over seas $ and introducing dynamic scoring to the federal budge will help everyone before too long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUUSN 823 Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 1 minute ago, SaltyTiger said: then create a tax base large enough to take care of their budget. cut the budget were needed. that is were we differ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaltyTiger 7,816 Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 nice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AURaptor 1,125 Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 5 minutes ago, SaltyTiger said: nice They don't like it when you mess with things they view as belonging to them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaltyTiger 7,816 Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 3 minutes ago, AURaptor said: They don't like it when you mess with things they view as belonging to them. how long will the meltdown last? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elephant Tipper 430 Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 4 hours ago, homersapien said: Interesting read: How a New Jobless Era Will Transform America The Great Recession may be over, but this era of high joblessness is probably just beginning. Before it ends, it will likely change the life course and character of a generation of young adults. It will leave an indelible imprint on many blue-collar men. It could cripple marriage as an institution in many communities. It may already be plunging many inner cities into a despair not seen for decades. Ultimately, it is likely to warp our politics, our culture, and the character of our society for years to come. DON PECK MARCH 2010 ISSUE BUSINESS http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2010/03/how-a-new-jobless-era-will-transform-america/307919/ . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elephant Tipper 430 Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 8 hours ago, TheBlueVue said: Well, if Obama is going to claim and, he does, that his Presidency has been great for the economy and jobs then, I really don't see anything disingenuous about pointing out just how bad the labor force participation rate and how it is actually the lowest its been since 1977 under his leadership. The political reality you make reference to actually dictates that we keep score and under Obama our economy has NEVER even had back to back quarterly growth rates of 3% in the GDP and never had a single quarter of 4% growth. These are not lies...these are facts and comparatively speaking they are not good enough for anyone to point to and brag about. I don't see a damned thing disingenuous about pointing that out. Blue, I didn't ask anything remotely related to your response, not that I disagree with its content. I simply asked, What were the details of the deal to keep Carrier in Indiana ? The Fortune magazine article is beginning to elucidate that conservative principles are not being followed as Trump would like to make us think, the great "conservative" that he is. Appropriating state tax funds to retain jobs is not free-market capitalism. It's politics and it's not good for the citizens of Indiana. Just as with Trump's Ford foray, the Carrier escapade is more bluster than substance. If this is his vision of making America great again, then hold on to your wallet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasTiger 12,961 Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 On 11/29/2016 at 9:18 PM, japantiger said: Thanka Blue. Apparently Google doesn't work for these guys or they've been in a bubble for the last 8 years.... Census.gov data is one click away on population data... Swaggering blow hard can't admit he's wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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