Thank You Pres. Trump

[Farmer Brown 2,391]

Fixed it.

[Brad_ATX 13,654]

3 hours ago, Farmer Brown said:

There is one thing I am thankful for. This has nothing to do with this thread, other than the thoughts and beliefs that I have encountered while reading a lot of the political forum. I am thankful that I went to school when the goal was to "educate", not "endoctrinate".

Yeah, I'd like you to expound on this more and why you assume this is the case.  I'm willing to bet I've been to school more recently than you (B.A. 2005, M.A.2011).  Never once did I feel like a professor's opinions were being forced upon me or anyone else in class.  What I did find was that professors would push students on their opinions so that students could learn how to back them up with cogent arguments in a quick fashion.  Especially true in graduate school.  This is actually a great teaching method to prepare students for the real world.  Can't count how many times I've been in business meetings where that training from professors allowed me to think quickly on my feet, defend a position or hypothesis, and get something I was pushing for from upper management.

Disclaimer:  I actually taught classes at AU as well for two years.  I didn't care what a student presented on as long as they could back it up with research and the material wasn't offensive to a common person (i.e. you can't show porn as evidence or something like that).  This was standard in our department.

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5 hours ago, Brad_ATX said:

Yeah, I'd like you to expound on this more and why you assume this is the case.  I'm willing to bet I've been to school more recently than you (B.A. 2005, M.A.2011).  Never once did I feel like a professor's opinions were being forced upon me or anyone else in class.  What I did find was that professors would push students on their opinions so that students could learn how to back them up with cogent arguments in a quick fashion.  Especially true in graduate school.  This is actually a great teaching method to prepare students for the real world.  Can't count how many times I've been in business meetings where that training from professors allowed me to think quickly on my feet, defend a position or hypothesis, and get something I was pushing for from upper management.

Disclaimer:  I actually taught classes at AU as well for two years.  I didn't care what a student presented on as long as they could back it up with research and the material wasn't offensive to a common person (i.e. you can't show porn as evidence or something like that).  This was standard in our department.

I know you weren't asking me to expound but I will. This is a talking point of the GOP. Heck it even turned up in the NRA's most recent video. They are afraid of educated people because knowledge is power. 

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8 hours ago, Brad_ATX said:

Yeah, I'd like you to expound on this more and why you assume this is the case.  I'm willing to bet I've been to school more recently than you (B.A. 2005, M.A.2011).  Never once did I feel like a professor's opinions were being forced upon me or anyone else in class.  What I did find was that professors would push students on their opinions so that students could learn how to back them up with cogent arguments in a quick fashion.  Especially true in graduate school.  This is actually a great teaching method to prepare students for the real world.  Can't count how many times I've been in business meetings where that training from professors allowed me to think quickly on my feet, defend a position or hypothesis, and get something I was pushing for from upper management.

Disclaimer:  I actually taught classes at AU as well for two years.  I didn't care what a student presented on as long as they could back it up with research and the material wasn't offensive to a common person (i.e. you can't show porn as evidence or something like that).  This was standard in our department.

I can't expound on it, I was a civil engineering grad from AU in 2007. We worried about the laws of physics......the only political things we really discussed was the lack of funding for infrastructure in the US.

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17 hours ago, aujeff11 said:

He did this before he was elected. What’s new pussycat? 

I disagreed with it then, disagreed with it now. But the hope was that he'd raise his level of professionalism to fit the office. He hasn't, and that's a problem when he starts using that platform to announce policies and discuss foreign relations.

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Well, we don’t have one. 

Weird, I must've imagined all of the "nasty woman" comments, the linked tweets above calling the leader of a country with nukes "Little Rocket Man", etc. 

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As far as I know, we don’t have any problems here either. 

He tweeted that transgender Americans were no longer allowed to serve in the military. That one example proves that the problem still exists in some capacity. His prior comments about women serving suggest that the problem isn't isolated to transgender people. Don't know how it gets any clearer than that- he mandated discrimination based on whether or not people are transgender.

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I was Infantry. I don’t have a problem with women in the Infantry. The problem is including them and their lax PT standards and calling them equal, when they’re not physically equal.

If you’re going to bitch about equality, bitch about them not being required to register for selective service. What sense does that make? 

Thanks for your service. Political opinions aside, you served and that should be commended. I have not and will never be able to fight (prior medical issues). 

With that said, I'm not saying that things are perfectly equal right now. I'm sure the situation could be more equal, and you would know that better than I because you were in the military. However, that's not the point that I was trying to make by pulling that tweet- my point was that President Trump saw that there were a large number of unreported sexual assaults in the military and came to the conclusion that the issue was that men and women were serving together. I DO have an issue with that. It's the equivalent of blaming a woman for being sexually assaulted because of what she was wearing.

There are a couple other tweets (you can look them up if you want, I'm not going to post them) where he is against women being in the military. Why should they not be allowed to serve just because they were born women? To your point, there are obvious physical differences between men and women, nobody is trying to say that doesn't exist. What they are saying is that just because someone is a woman doesn't necessarily mean that they can't serve their country well.

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You’re digging up tweets going all the way back to 2013 when I already know what kind of jackass he is. 

Yeah, I am. It shows that Trump has set a precedent for his beliefs and presents a clearer picture of what Trump truly believes. In 2013, he didn't have to worry about convincing people to vote for him, he could say whatever he wanted to. In 2016, he did. Now, he still does (if he wants a 2nd term that is). It's the same notion as "do the right thing, even when nobody is watching". 

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You also successfully diverted a topic thanking Trump for his humanitarian response into a list of grievances against him right off the bat. Your momma should be so proud.

I did. I live in Houston, and I see the impact that Harvey had every day. I have friends who lost everything. I also saw Trump's effort in his visit. I saw the same effort with victims of Irma and in Puerto Rico. To use his words, it was "low energy". 

Speaking specifically on Houston- The first trip, he didn't meet with any victims. During his second trip, he did meet with victims, but he immediately made it about himself. He talked about how big the turnout was, how great the crowd was, etc. while speaking to people who have been through a hurricane. 

That's not an isolated incident either- Trump has a noted history of making things all about himself. In Puerto Rico, he did it by putting emphasis on how Puerto Rico "[threw] our budget out of whack". Rather than focusing on the hurricane victims and the tragedy that they were (and are) still going through, he brought the attention back to his own problems. When the CEO's left his Manufacturing Council and Strategy & Policy forum, he tied to save face by tweeting that he was "ending both" to avoid "putting pressure on the business people". This is another case of everything having to be about him: the councils weren't ended because everyone on the council left, it was ended because HE decided to end it.

I diverted the topic not only because I don't believe that Trump is doing a good job with his humanitarian response, but also because I don't think he's doing it with the end goal of helping people. His end goal is not to serve the American people, it is to serve himself. Is everything he does bad? No, obviously not. But posts like OP's don't tell the whole story. Yes, we are doing things to help Puerto Rico, but that ignores things like the Mayor of San Juan having to publicly ask anyone who can help to come save them:

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“People are dying in this country,” Carmen Yulín Cruz Soto, the mayor of San Juan, Puerto Rico, said at a news conference September 30. “I am begging, begging anyone that can hear us, to save us from dying. If anybody out there is listening to us, we are dying, and you are killing us with the inefficiency and the bureaucracy.”

 

We obviously feel very different about Trump's presidency, and that's fine. You are just as entitled to your own opinion as I am to mine. I want what's best for this country (just as I'm sure you and many others do), and in my opinion that is not President Trump. I feel that the evidence I've provided as well as other easily obtainable data shows that. If you don't that's okay. 

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1 hour ago, wdefromtx said:

I can't expound on it, I was a civil engineering grad from AU in 2007. We worried about the laws of physics......the only political things we really discussed was the lack of funding for infrastructure in the US.

FWIW, I graduated in Mech. Engr. in 2016 and never felt like any prof pushed political opinions. In fact, I would say that in the majority of the classes the prof didn't push anything except for formulas and engineering down our throats, because they literally didn't have time for anything else.

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5 minutes ago, AUEngineer2016 said:

FWIW, I graduated in Mech. Engr. in 2016 and never felt like any prof pushed political opinions. In fact, I would say that in the majority of the classes the prof didn't push anything except for formulas and engineering down our throats, because they literally didn't have time for anything else.

The truest statement ever written in these forums! LOL 

[Proud Tiger 4,261]

This guy also says thank you to Pres. Trump.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/10/05/vegas-survivor-shot-in-leg-or-not-im-standing-for-my-president.html

[homersapien 11,393]

10 hours ago, Brad_ATX said:

Yeah, I'd like you to expound on this more and why you assume this is the case.  I'm willing to bet I've been to school more recently than you (B.A. 2005, M.A.2011).  Never once did I feel like a professor's opinions were being forced upon me or anyone else in class.  What I did find was that professors would push students on their opinions so that students could learn how to back them up with cogent arguments in a quick fashion.  Especially true in graduate school.  This is actually a great teaching method to prepare students for the real world.  Can't count how many times I've been in business meetings where that training from professors allowed me to think quickly on my feet, defend a position or hypothesis, and get something I was pushing for from upper management.

Disclaimer:  I actually taught classes at AU as well for two years.  I didn't care what a student presented on as long as they could back it up with research and the material wasn't offensive to a common person (i.e. you can't show porn as evidence or something like that).  This was standard in our department.

And at the other end of the time scale, I have a BS and MS ('72, '75).  My experience was essentially like yours.

[Mims44 1,879]

On 10/4/2017 at 10:18 PM, Proud Tiger said:

Thank you Pres. Trump doing everything you could and as soon as possible for the people in Houston, Florida, the Virgin Islands,and Las Vegas. Puerto. Thank you also for taking the time to make tiring trips to all these places to pesonally see the situation and let the people know first hand that you care about theem. Ignore the haters. They will hate you no matter what you do..Carry on.

 

Did you seriously just write an open letter to Trump on AUFamily?

[Mims44 1,879]

Thank you Quarterback Cam for doing everything you could as soon as possible to defeat the dastardly Patriots. Thank you also for taking the time to make all these tiring trips to stadiums around our country. Ignore the haters, so you say sexist stuff sometimes... they just jelly you so super cool and awesome. They will hate you no matter what, keep being Super, Man.

[AUDub 11,158]

1 minute ago, Mims44 said:

Thank you Quarterback Cam for doing everything you could as soon as possible to defeat the dastardly Patriots. Thank you also for taking the time to make all these tiring trips to stadiums around our country. Ignore the haters, so you say sexist stuff sometimes... they just jelly you so super cool and awesome. They will hate you no matter what, keep being Super, Man.

As you can see from the post above this one, you missed the real fun.

[Mims44 1,879]

1 minute ago, Bigbens42 said:

As you can see from the post above this one, you missed the real fun.

Hey now, maybe he meant orangutan in the tennis term....

[SaltyTiger 7,820]

29 minutes ago, homersapien said:

And at the other end of the time scale, I have a BS and MS ('72, '75).  My experience was essentially like yours.

Sure about that Homer, do you actually remember the ' 70s ?

I do remember a couple of opinionated Professors. One was an English professor, her husband was the Psychology dept. head. She was head strong that Engineering... and all other "occupational degrees" should be taught in trade schools and reserve the University for "educating in the arts, languages, history, sciences, music...etc. She also detested football and tailgating. Felt like it should be banned. 

Had a math teacher that wanted to ban commercial airline flights. Always started class either reading articles about crashes or showing crash scene pictures.....go figure   

[homersapien 11,393]

47 minutes ago, Mims44 said:

Did you seriously just write an open letter to Trump on AUFamily?

Don't laugh.  It will likely make it into his morning briefing.  

[AuburnNTexas 7,158]

On ‎10‎/‎5‎/‎2017 at 12:17 PM, AUEngineer2016 said:

Which parts, the ones with the direct quotes from the man himself? Or the ones with the videos of him saying it?

I seem to remember another person in history whose following defended him regardless of his actions, who condemned the media and utilized propaganda to further his own gain, who said that anything that opposed his views was "fake news". The US fought against him in WWII. 

It's also super convenient that everything that is complementary of Trump is "real news" while everything critical of him is "fake". 

Please, tell me what Trump is doing to "Make America Great Again". Are you tired of winning yet? Is America better off with a leader who calls women in powerful positions "nasty"? Are we better off with a leader who consistently makes every situation about himself, and has spent MONTHS after being sworn into office talking about how huge his victory was (he lost the popular vote) and how big the crowds at his speeches are (even when he's talking to hurricane victims)? Or who wants to create a database of people based on their religion?

Tell me which parts of my post(s) are wrong. Specifically. 

You just called everybody who supported Trump a Nazi that is a new low. I didn't vote for Trump or Hillary but with people who hate as much as you do and can't give any credit when he does things well. I am slowly starting to believe in Trump. There are huge differences in the responses to the Hurricanes because of geography and the response from the local government. Texas and Florida had plans in place and aid waiting to be brought in. 

In Texas and Florida you had local aid a few hours away so you did not have the logistical nightmare of trying to deliver to a Port or Ports that were devastated that had limited power for unloading ships. The governor of Puerto Rico has said that the Federal response has been great.  I agree that Trump should have updated the Jones Act quicker in Puerto Rico but the problem wasn't that there was no aid at the Ports. There was aid at the Ports even without the Jones Act. The issues were around getting if off the ships and then getting it to where needed.  

Because of years of Democratic mismanagement of government in Puerto Rico and huge debt. Infrastructure was in a very unreliable state making it more susceptible to a hurricane. After the Hurricane there was basically no electrical grid left, most roads and many bridges had been washed out, sewer and water systems were down.  In Texas and Florida in most cases water and electricity were back in a week. Local companies got the electricity back on and local governments got the water back not the Federal government.

If the local government in Puerto Rico had been doing its job they would not have been so unprepared to get basic service back up and running.  Being on an Island, having poor infrastructure prior to the hurricane and basically no infrastructure after the hurricane is the difference in the response.  It is a much more difficult task to provide aid to Puerto Rico than Florida and Texas where all aid has to come through port or via air and that needs to be taken into consideration before you criticize.

As for all your other complaints that you and others have with Trump what the heck does that have to do with the subject of providing aid to Puerto Rico. Bringing up Trumps tweeting, his collusion with Russia, etc. has nothing to do with whether the Federal government is doing a good job in aiding Puerto Rico. 

 

 

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18 minutes ago, AuburnNTexas said:

You just called everybody who supported Trump a Nazi that is a new low.

That's just BS.  

 

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15 minutes ago, AuburnNTexas said:

There are huge differences in the responses to the Hurricanes because of geography and the response from the local government. Texas and Florida had plans in place and aid waiting to be brought in. 

In Texas and Florida you had local aid a few hours away so you did not have the logistical nightmare of trying to deliver to a Port or Ports that were devastated that had limited power for unloading ships.

That's exactly the point.

Puerto Rico called for a massive, immediate response by the military, which can only be authorized by the president.

 

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http://www.cnn.com/2017/09/28/politics/donald-trump-puerto-rico-response-mess/index.html

(CNN) It's been more than eight days since Hurricane Maria tore through Puerto Rico, leveling the island home of 3.4 million Americans. The storm struck like an upper cut, after Hurricane Irma jabbed it en route to the Dominican Republic, Cuba and Florida two weeks earlier.

But unlike the robust responses that followed Irma and Hurricane Harvey before that, President Donald Trump all but sidelined himself in the aftermath.

 

Following a tweet to the Puerto Rican governor late last Wednesday, Trump over the next five days, as the scale of the humanitarian crisis became increasingly clear, dedicated himself almost exclusively to attacking and riling up opposition to pro football players protesting racial inequality and police brutality......

 

 

 

........"We have a lot of shippers and a lot of people and a lot of people who work in the shipping industry that don't want the Jones Act lifted," he said on Wednesday, a reference to the nearly century-old protectionist law requiring goods, like storm aid, shipped between American ports to be carried on mostly US-made ships, owned and operated primarily by Americans.

 

Republican Sen. John McCain quickly fired back, tweeting that the "shipping industry supports #JonesAct b/c it's protectionist. #PuertoRico deserves better than policy decisions driven by special interests."

 

The White House finally took action early Thursday morning, issuing a waiver that will at least temporarily lift the restrictions. But the situation now seems locked into cycles of increasing desperation. More than 10,000 containers filled with supplies are now effectively stuck at port, with truckers unable to fuel their vehicles and, in many cases, finding some of the hardest hit places on the island unreachable in any case.

 

During an interview on CNN's "Inside Politics" Thursday, Florida Sen. Marco Rubio said the time has come for the administration to hand the job -- in particular, the complicated task of establishing new supply chains -- over to the Pentagon.

 

"The only people who can restore it, who have the capacity to do so quickly in the short term, and then turn it over to the authorities there in Puerto Rico, is the Department of Defense," said Rubio, who visited Puerto Rico on Monday.....

 

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5 minutes ago, homersapien said:

That's just BS.  

 

How do you translate this.

 

I seem to remember another person in history whose following defended him regardless of his actions, who condemned the media and utilized propaganda to further his own gain, who said that anything that opposed his views was "fake news". The US fought against him in WWII. 

3 minutes ago, homersapien said:

That's exactly the point.

Puerto Rico called for a massive, immediate response by the military, which can only be authorized by the president.

 

The military is not designed to rebuild roads, Rebuild electrical Grids, etc.  You still have the same number of Ports in Puerto Rico to unload aid whether the military is bringing it in Merchant Marine is bringing it in. Bringing in huge numbers of soldiers who also need food, water, living space, sewage is just adding to the problem. There are groups like the SeaBees who can help and some have been sent.   

[Mims44 1,879]

2 minutes ago, AuburnNTexas said:

How do you translate this.

 

I seem to remember another person in history whose following defended him regardless of his actions, who condemned the media and utilized propaganda to further his own gain, who said that anything that opposed his views was "fake news". The US fought against him in WWII. 

The military is not designed to rebuild roads, Rebuild electrical Grids, etc.  You still have the same number of Ports in Puerto Rico to unload aid whether the military is bringing it in Merchant Marine is bringing it in. Bringing in huge numbers of soldiers who also need food, water, living space, sewage is just adding to the problem. There are groups like the SeaBees who can help and some have been sent.   

In my best Kanye voice: Donald Trump doesn't care about brown people.

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How can you say he hasn't done enough?  Trump even dedicated his golf trophy to Puerto Rico!

[SaltyTiger 7,820]

29 minutes ago, AuburnNTexas said:

30 minutes ago, AuburnNTexas said:

 

You just called everybody who supported Trump a Nazi that is a new low.

 

 

Not a new low NTexas. Been ongoing when the opportunity arises.

[homersapien 11,393]

14 minutes ago, AuburnNTexas said:

How do you translate this.

 

I seem to remember another person in history whose following defended him regardless of his actions, who condemned the media and utilized propaganda to further his own gain, who said that anything that opposed his views was "fake news". The US fought against him in WWII. 

I translate it as comparing some of Trump's traits regarding the media to Hitler's.  

I have relatives who support Trump.  Trust me, they are not Nazis, just the opposite.  They are self-professed, devout Christians. So you don't have to be a Nazi to be a Trump supporter, just stupid and/or ignorant.

But, there are Trump followers who will apparently - with consideration - accept anything he does as normal or desirable.  Fortunately, not very many.   

But if the shoe fits......enjoy your outrage.

 

[homersapien 11,393]

12 minutes ago, AuburnNTexas said:

How do you translate this.

 

I seem to remember another person in history whose following defended him regardless of his actions, who condemned the media and utilized propaganda to further his own gain, who said that anything that opposed his views was "fake news". The US fought against him in WWII. 

The military is not designed to rebuild roads, Rebuild electrical Grids, etc.  You still have the same number of Ports in Puerto Rico to unload aid whether the military is bringing it in Merchant Marine is bringing it in. Bringing in huge numbers of soldiers who also need food, water, living space, sewage is just adding to the problem. There are groups like the SeaBees who can help and some have been sent.   

The military has the logisitical capability to move lots of stuff into relatively inaccessable areas.  Who can do it better?

Even Trump seems to understand what an island means.  He just wasted a lot of time before doing the obvious.

 

https://www.usnews.com/news/top-news/articles/2017-09-28/trump-orders-shipping-restrictions-lifted-for-storm-hit-puerto-rico

SAN JUAN, Puerto Rico (Reuters) - The Pentagon named a senior general to command military relief operations in hurricane-ravaged Puerto Rico on Thursday and the Trump administration sent a Cabinet emissary to the island as U.S. lawmakers called for a more robust response to the crisis.

The U.S. territory of 3.4 million people struggled through a ninth day with virtually no electricity, patchy communications and shortages of fuel, clean water and other essentials in the wake of Hurricane Maria, the most powerful storm to hit the island in nearly 90 years.

The storm struck on Sept. 20 with lethal, roof-ripping force and torrential rains that caused widespread flooding and heavily damaged homes, roads and other infrastructure.