homersapien 11,379 Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 Logical move. Fox is nothing more than an adjunct of the Trump campaign. https://www.huffpost.com/entry/dnc-fox-news-2020-debates_n_5c800f9ee4b0e62f69e939ad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad_ATX 13,654 Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 Kind of dumb to me. Agree to let Fox do at least one but put the qualifier on there that Chris Wallace is the only person allowed to moderate. 1) He's an impeccable journalist who routinely calls out everyone on their crap. 2) You still reach a wide audience of voters that otherwise won't even listen to you. 3) Wallace is very likely to moderate a debate in the general. Getting that experience to his style can only help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kd4au 1,145 Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 Ok by me. Wasn't going to watch that crap anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaltyTiger 7,812 Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 5 hours ago, homersapien said: Logical move. Fox is nothing more than an adjunct of the Trump campaign. What in the hell are they debating over? They have nothing to run on. Other than oust President Trump none offered a thing in over two years. Who cares what network airs the mess? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DKW 86 7,425 Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 I find it funny that Fox cant hold a debate, but CNN, the actual network that gave HRC the cheat sheets, at the debates, they are perfectly okay with. Then again this is Tom Perez, a man chosen by the Clintons to run the DNC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AuCivilEng1 11,012 Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 Nobody interested in the Democratic debate watches Fox News anyway. Who cares. Fox has basically becomes Trumps personal propaganda network, outside of Wallace and Shep. I’m not surprised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PUB78 1,358 Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 The Nazi party is at it again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PUB78 1,358 Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 18 hours ago, homersapien said: Logical move. Fox is nothing more than an adjunct of the Trump campaign. https://www.huffpost.com/entry/dnc-fox-news-2020-debates_n_5c800f9ee4b0e62f69e939ad Just like CNN , MSNBC and 90% of the MSM are an extension of the Democratic Party. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kd4au 1,145 Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 34 minutes ago, PUB78 said: Just like CNN , MSNBC and 90% of the MSM are an extension of the Democratic Party. You could say 100% of the MSM. If your talking ABC,CBS and NBC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homersapien 11,379 Posted March 7, 2019 Author Share Posted March 7, 2019 55 minutes ago, PUB78 said: Just like CNN , MSNBC and 90% of the MSM are an extension of the Democratic Party. There is no equivalent to Fox on the left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad_ATX 13,654 Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 1 hour ago, kd4au said: You could say 100% of the MSM. If your talking ABC,CBS and NBC. You guys do realize that Fox is MSM as well, right? You can't put CNN and MSNBC in that category and exclude Fox when they all three directly compete for ratings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PUB78 1,358 Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 Just now, Brad_ATX said: You guys do realize that Fox is MSM as well, right? That is why I said 90%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PUB78 1,358 Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 1 hour ago, homersapien said: There is no equivalent to Fox on the left. Only when the others are off the air.🦊 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AuCivilEng1 11,012 Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 2 hours ago, homersapien said: There is no equivalent to Fox on the left. There actually is. But it’s not “Mainstream”. https://www.google.com/amp/s/jerz.setonhill.edu/blog/2017/11/10/vanessa-oteros-updated-media-bias-chart/amp/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DKW 86 7,425 Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 10 minutes ago, AuCivilEng1 said: There actually is. But it’s not “Mainstream”. https://www.google.com/amp/s/jerz.setonhill.edu/blog/2017/11/10/vanessa-oteros-updated-media-bias-chart/amp/ Some of that is too funny. Alternet is pure laughable propaganda. Daily Mail? Up about 1 block. DailyKos? Down a block. Buzzfeed...LMAO down two solid blocks. Daily Beast and Politico down two blocks. The graphic was right on for the most part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homersapien 11,379 Posted March 7, 2019 Author Share Posted March 7, 2019 33 minutes ago, AuCivilEng1 said: There actually is. But it’s not “Mainstream”. https://www.google.com/amp/s/jerz.setonhill.edu/blog/2017/11/10/vanessa-oteros-updated-media-bias-chart/amp/ I was considering audience and influence in my statement. There is no ("main stream") media equivalent to Fox. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AuCivilEng1 11,012 Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 30 minutes ago, DKW 86 said: Some of that is too funny. Alternet is pure laughable propaganda. Daily Mail? Up about 1 block. DailyKos? Down a block. Buzzfeed...LMAO down two solid blocks. Daily Beast and Politico down two blocks. The graphic was right on for the most part. I don’t keep up with much when it comes to those that you mentioned. I like Huffington NPR. As far as the big 3 go, I’m mostly an MSNBC guy. I do like Cuomo and Tapper on the CNN side. I’d probably watch Shep on Fox, if he was all there was, but there’s no reason to even take Fox seriously enough to turn it on. Shep needs to jump ship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad_ATX 13,654 Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 1 hour ago, AuCivilEng1 said: I don’t keep up with much when it comes to those that you mentioned. I like Huffington NPR. As far as the big 3 go, I’m mostly an MSNBC guy. I do like Cuomo and Tapper on the CNN side. I’d probably watch Shep on Fox, if he was all there was, but there’s no reason to even take Fox seriously enough to turn it on. Shep needs to jump ship. Doing yourself a disservice by not watching Chris Wallace on Fox. The guy is as good as it gets anywhere. Doesn't hold back and calls everyone out on their BS. Not coincidentally, he was bar none the best of the three debate moderators in the 2016 general election. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AuCivilEng1 11,012 Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 8 minutes ago, Brad_ATX said: Doing yourself a disservice by not watching Chris Wallace on Fox. The guy is as good as it gets anywhere. Doesn't hold back and calls everyone out on their BS. Not coincidentally, he was bar none the best of the three debate moderators in the 2016 general election. I haven’t really paid any attention to him. I’ll check out his YouTube clips. I’m not legitimizing that propaganda network by flipping my tv to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kd4au 1,145 Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 4 hours ago, Brad_ATX said: You guys do realize that Fox is MSM as well, right? You can't put CNN and MSNBC in that category and exclude Fox when they all three directly compete for ratings. I guess our ideas of main stream are different. I consider Fox a cable news. The ones I named ABC,CBS and NBC have a nightly news that you can get without cable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShocksMyBrain 9,366 Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 21 minutes ago, kd4au said: I guess our ideas of main stream are different. I consider Fox a cable news. The ones I named ABC,CBS and NBC have a nightly news that you can get without cable. I don’t think that just because it’s on cable you can rule out that it’s not mainstream. It’s one of the most-viewed news networks in the country. That’s pretty mainstream. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DKW 86 7,425 Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 3 hours ago, AuCivilEng1 said: I don’t keep up with much when it comes to those that you mentioned. I like Huffington NPR. As far as the big 3 go, I’m mostly an MSNBC guy. I do like Cuomo? and Tapper on the CNN side. I’d probably watch Shep on Fox, if he was all there was, but there’s no reason to even take Fox seriously enough to turn it on. Shep needs to jump ship. I endorse about 90% of that message.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad_ATX 13,654 Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 53 minutes ago, kd4au said: I guess our ideas of main stream are different. I consider Fox a cable news. The ones I named ABC,CBS and NBC have a nightly news that you can get without cable. What Shocks said. Roughly 80% of households have cable/satellite, and that number doesn't include streaming services like Sling which all carry Fox, CNN, etc. You can't get much more mainstream than that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShocksMyBrain 9,366 Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 5 minutes ago, Brad_ATX said: What Shocks said. Roughly 80% of households have cable/satellite, and that number doesn't include streaming services like Sling which all carry Fox, CNN, etc. You can't get much more mainstream than that. It’s a tired excuse that Fox News watchers try to use—for whatever reason other than MSM=BAD! Fox News=GOOD! Several years ago you could make an argument; but as you said, in this day and age of streaming content and especially the internet, Fox News is about as mainstream as it gets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUFAN78 3,910 Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 On 3/6/2019 at 1:55 PM, homersapien said: Logical move. Fox is nothing more than an adjunct of the Trump campaign. https://www.huffpost.com/entry/dnc-fox-news-2020-debates_n_5c800f9ee4b0e62f69e939ad Totally disagree. If I am a candidate, I want as many Americans as possible to hear my story. I'd see it as a chance to convince voters. Now if I were to come out and and echo the fake racist, homophobic, xenophobic, anti-semantic narratives that permeate MSM, perhaps you have a point. But if I can speak truth to America, I welcome the opportunity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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