aubiefifty 16,822 Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 Bill Clinton, Prince Andrew Named in New Jeffrey Epstein Documents Elisabeth Garber-Paul, Julia Reinstein 7–9 minutes Skip to main content Bill Clinton, Prince Andrew Named in New Jeffrey Epstein Documents One Epstein accuser claimed the late sex offender said Clinton "likes them young," according to the evidence relating to the Virginia Giuffre v. Ghislaine Maxwell civil lawsuit Notorious sex offender Jeffrey Epstein died while awaiting trial for sex trafficking. New York State Sex Offender Registry/AP Documents related to Ghislaine Maxwell and Jeffrey Epstein were released on Wednesday night after a judge ruled in December that the redacted information should be unsealed, according to a court order issued by Judge Loretta Preska. Many of Epstein’s long-rumored powerful friends — including Bill Clinton and Prince Andrew — appear in the trove of previously sealed court records. In one deposition transcript, one accuser recalled Epstein saying Clinton “likes them young, referring to girls.” She also alleged that Prince Andrew once touched her breast while posing for a photo next to Epstein accuser Virginia Giuffre, who was holding a puppet of Prince Andrew, that was itself touching her breast. (Representatives for Clinton and Andrew did not immediately respond to requests for comment.) Among the information provided in the document dump, Maxwell was asked in a deposition if she ever “provided [Epstein accuser Virginia Giuffre] with an outfit of a sexual nature to wear for [L Brands founder] Les Wexner?” to which she said “categorically no.” The documents, related to more than 150 of the so-called Jane and John Does in the case, were part of the evidence presented in the civil case against Ghislaine Maxwell brought by Giuffre. Maxwell, the youngest child and favorite daughter of the late British media mogul Robert Maxwell, had at one point been romantically involved with Epstein, who was then known as a successful financier. According to the criminal case against her, Maxwell’s role shifted to being one of a procurer, finding very young — often underage — women and girls to introduce to Epstein and his group of extremely rich and influential friends in the early 2000s. As ringleader of the alleged sex trafficking ring, Epstein was accused of sexually abusing dozens of victims, some of whom were as young as 14. Many of these women would eventually come forward and accuse Epstein and his cohort of sexual assault. One was Giuffre, who sued Maxwell for defamation in 2015, arguing that Maxwell had smeared her by accusing her of lying when Giuffre made her allegations. (In December 2021, Maxwell was convicted for her role in Epstein’s operation and sentenced to 20 years in prison. She is appealing the conviction.) The newly released documents provide a disturbing glimpse into the world of abuse to which Epstein and Maxwell allegedly subjected their young victims. One witness testified that Maxwell had “threatened a terrified 15-year-old girl and confiscated her passport to try to make her have sex with Epstein,” and that she once instructed a group of 11 girls as young as 14 to “play a ‘kissing game’ with and for” Epstein. Giuffre’s civil suit echoed the grim allegations, accusing Epstein of sexually abusing her “with the assistance and participation of Maxwell.” In Giuffre’s victim impact statement, which her attorney delivered at Maxwell’s sentencing in June 2022, she wrote that Maxwell “deserve[s] to spend the rest of [her] life in a jail cell … trapped in a cage forever, just like [she] trapped [her] victims.” “I want to be clear about one thing: without question, Jeffrey Epstein was a terrible pedophile,” Giuffre wrote. “But I never would have met Jeffrey Epstein if not for you. For me, and for so many others, you opened the door to hell. And then, Ghislaine, like a wolf in sheep’s clothing, you used your femininity to betray us, and you led us all through it.” Giuffre also brought a civil lawsuit against Prince Andrew, which was settled out of court for an undisclosed amount in Feb. 2022. She had accused the British royal of sexually abusing her numerous times between 2000 and 2002 — when she was under the age of 18 — in New York, London, as well as on Epstein’s private island in the U.S. Virgin Islands. (Andrew has denied the allegations.) Giuffre additionally accused prominent lawyer and former Epstein friend Alan Dershowitz of sexual abuse, filing a lawsuit against him in 2019. She later dropped the suit and acknowledged she “may have made a mistake” in identifying him as one of her abusers, saying she had been quite young at the time and in a “very stressful and traumatic environment.” Epstein himself was charged with sex trafficking and faced 45 years in prison, but his case never went before a jury; he killed himself in a Manhattan correctional facility jail in 2019 while awaiting trial. The suicide spawned endless conspiracy theories, with the public searching for clues as to who was really “behind” his death. Part of what has fueled these theories is the sheer wealth and power of those connected to him — besides Prince Andrew, with whom he appeared to have a close friendship, and Dershowitz, his former lawyer, Epstein has at times been linked to Clinton, Donald Trump (with whom he had a falling out in the late 2000s over business dealings), Bill Gates, L Brands founder Les Wexner (his only confirmed client), and hosted countless other prominent people on his private jet, including Kevin Spacey and Robert F. Kennedy, Jr., though they have not been accused of wrongdoing. The documents were initially expected to come out Tuesday, leaving hordes of people — particularly right-wing conspiracy theorists — waiting with bated breath for their release and spinning baseless claims about the reason for the delay. Some even purported to have access to the documents before they became available, circulating hoax lists of celebrities they falsely accused of being associated with Epstein. This appears to be the first set of documents to be released, as the December court order approved over 200 documents to be unredacted and turned over to the public. More releases are expected in the coming days. This article was updated at 6:52 p.m. to reflect that some of the documents have begun to be released to the public, and at 8 p.m. to include more details from the documents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aubiefifty 16,822 Posted January 4 Author Share Posted January 4 news.yahoo.com The Epstein list: Bill Clinton and Donald Trump appear in unsealed documents multiple times. Here’s what we know. Dylan Stableford 6–8 minutes Dozens of court documents related to the late convicted sex felon Jeffrey Epstein and unsealed Wednesday include the names of several prominent figures. Among them: former Presidents Bill Clinton and Donald Trump. Neither Clinton nor Trump have been accused of any wrongdoing related to Epstein, who committed suicide in jail while awaiting trial on federal sex-trafficking charges. Where did the documents come from? Audrey Strauss, acting U.S. attorney for the Southern District of New York, points to a photo of Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell during a news conference in New York City, July 2, 2020. (John Minchillo/AP) The documents — which total nearly 1,000 pages — were part of a 2015 defamation lawsuit brought against Epstein and his former girlfriend and convicted accomplice Ghislaine Maxwell by Virginia Giuffre, one of their accusers. In the documents, Giuffre alleged that many of sexual encounters occurred under the guise of massages that Maxwell, a British socialite, procured for Epstein and others. Giuffre claimed that while she was a teenager, Epstein and Maxwell pressured her into sexual encounters with powerful men, including Prince Andrew. Giuffre reached an out-of-court settlement with Andrew, who denied her allegations. U.S. District Judge Loretta A. Preska ordered the unsealing of the documents in mid-December, saying that most of the information and names in them were already public. What do they say about Clinton and Trump? Jeffrey Epstein is seen a photo provided by the New York State Sex Offender Registry, March 28, 2017. (New York State Sex Offender Registry via AP, File) The newly unsealed documents include the transcript of a 2016 deposition in which a second accuser, identified as Johanna Sjoberg, testified that Epstein "said one time that Clinton likes them young, referring to girls." She didn't elaborate. Sjoberg testified that Epstein told her he would take her to Trump’s Atlantic City casino, but did not allege any wrongdoing. She also said in a deposition that Prince Andrew had inappropriately touched her at Epstein's mansion in New York. In all, Clinton’s name appears 73 times in the documents unsealed Wednesday; Trump’s name appears four times. What was Clinton’s relationship with Epstein? Former President Bill Clinton speaks at the 92nd Street Y in New York City, May 4, 2023. (Jamie McCarthy/Getty Images) The former president has acknowledged that he had flown on Epstein’s plane and had met with the jet-setting financier on several occasions. In previously released court documents, Giuffre said that she met Clinton on Epstein’s private Caribbean island, but did not accuse him of any wrongdoing. Clinton, who has been photographed on Epstein's airplane, denied ever visiting the island. In 2019, after Epstein was arraigned on federal sex-trafficking charges, Clinton’s office released a statement saying the former president knew "nothing about the terrible crimes” Epstein was accused of. Epstein committed suicide in federal prison a month later. What was Trump’s relationship with Epstein and Maxwell? Donald Trump, Melania Trump, Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell pose together at Mar-a-Lago in Palm Beach, Fla., Feb. 12, 2000. (Davidoff Studios/Getty Images) Trump and Epstein were longtime friends well before Trump became president. “I’ve known Jeff for 15 years,” Trump told New York magazine in 2002. “Terrific guy. He’s a lot of fun to be with. It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side.” In 2005, Epstein was arrested in Palm Beach, Fla., on charges he paid a 14-year-old girl for sex. In 2008, Epstein pleaded guilty in Florida to state charges of soliciting and procuring a person under age 18 for prostitution. Under the terms of a secret agreement his attorneys cut with then-Miami U.S. Attorney Alexander Acosta, Epstein was sentenced for 13 months in county jail, with daily work-release privileges, and a related federal probe into potential crimes was dropped. He was required to reach financial settlements with dozens of his victims and register as a sex offender, but Epstein could have faced up to life in prison if he had been convicted on federal charges. Related reading AP: Unsealed court records offer new detail on old sex abuse allegations against Jeffrey Epstein Reuters: Epstein accuser says Prince Andrew groped her, documents show Business Insider: Even more Epstein documents are expected to drop Thursday After the plea agreement was revealed in a bombshell 2018 Miami Herald investigation, Trump defended Acosta, then his labor secretary, but distanced himself from Epstein, saying he “wasn’t a big fan.” In 2020, while Maxwell was awaiting trial for helping Epstein sexually abuse underage girls, Trump was asked for his thoughts about the case. “I don't know. I haven't really been following it too much. I just wish her well, frankly. I've met her numerous times over the years, especially since I lived in Palm Beach,” Trump told reporters at the White House. “But I wish her well, whatever it is.” In 2021, Maxwell was convicted and later sentenced to 20 years in federal prison. What other prominent names appear in the documents? Attorney Alan Dershowitz leaves federal court in New York, Dec. 2, 2019. (Richard Drew/AP) Other boldfaced names that appear in the documents unsealed Wednesday include Alan Dershowitz, a lawyer and former Harvard Law professor; Bill Richardson, former New Mexico governor; Glenn Dubin, a billionaire hedge fund manager; Les Wexner, billionaire founder of Bath & Body Works; and Jean-Luc Brunel, a French modeling agent who killed himself in jail in 2022 while awaiting trial on charges he raped young girls. More documents — and names — are expected to be released on Thursday. Could the people named in the documents face any criminal or civil liability? Not for merely being named. “There is likely going to be a spectrum of involvement with respect to all the individuals identified,” Tom Bosworth, founder of Bosworth Law and an attorney for catastrophic injury victims, told Yahoo News. “Whether there is criminal or civil liability for any one person will depend heavily on the particular facts of each case." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AU9377 4,977 Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 Billions of dollars places a person in a circle of influence. That kind of money allows you to have friends all over the world. That doesn't mean that everyone he was associated with was having sex with under aged girls on his island. That doesn't mean that going to the island meant that you were going to have illegal sexual activity. Some of these stories act as though he was kidnapping innocent little girls and forcing them into prostitution. That didn't take place either. Was he a creep? Yes. Did he take advantage of troubled young women? Absolutely. Does that mean that everyone that took a ride on his plane or that he had their number in his cell phone was doing the same? No. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DKW 86 7,431 Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 (edited) On 1/4/2024 at 1:03 PM, AU9377 said: Billions of dollars places a person in a circle of influence. That kind of money allows you to have friends all over the world. That doesn't mean that everyone he was associated with was having sex with under aged girls on his island. That doesn't mean that going to the island meant that you were going to have illegal sexual activity. Some of these stories act as though he was kidnapping innocent little girls and forcing them into prostitution. That didn't take place either. Was he a creep? Yes. Did he take advantage of troubled young women? Absolutely. Does that mean that everyone that took a ride on his plane or that he had their number in his cell phone was doing the same? No. The word STATUTORY means that if the crime was committed it doesn't matter what anyone feels. Did the crime happen? Sex with underage girls? Then yes, they should be sent to prison. End of case. Apologies for the spelling error. Edited January 6 by DKW 86 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AU9377 4,977 Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 3 hours ago, DKW 86 said: The word STATUTORY means that if the crime was committed it doesn't matter what anyone feels. Did the crime happy, Sex with underage girls? Then yes, they should be sent to prison. End of case. Of course it does. My point was simple. Being associated in some way, whether that be by attending a fund raiser or using the man's jet, doesn't make someone guilty by association of crimes he may or may not have committed. Some of the depositions released literally contain nothing more than gossip that was shared among the young women living at one of his compounds. One of the statements was that one girl told another that "Clinton liked them young." Well duhhhh..... he also likes them not so young. Trump likes to grab them by the ________, but that doesn't make either of them guilty of Epstein's alleged behavior. I watched an interview with a woman a few days ago that was very much of age when she went to live in one of his houses. She now waiting to be paid because of the "torment" that she endured. Had she been under the age of consent, I would call her a victim. I am not sure what to call her, other than a fortunate opportunist at this time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AURex 2,016 Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 There are a lot of names, but few real allegations. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DKW 86 7,431 Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 2 hours ago, AURex said: There are a lot of names, but few real allegations. So far...Not saying that there will be, but assuming there wont plays right into the abuser's hands. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AU9377 4,977 Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 10 hours ago, DKW 86 said: So far...Not saying that there will be, but assuming there wont plays right into the abuser's hands. If there were allegations that could be proven in any way, there would have been criminal charges by now. All of the documents and interviews that are being released were known to investigators years ago. The interest is purely for media consumption. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DKW 86 7,431 Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 (edited) 21 hours ago, AU9377 said: If there were allegations that could be proven in any way, there would have been criminal charges by now. All of the documents and interviews that are being released were known to investigators years ago. The interest is purely for media consumption. Not buying all this is nothing. Epstein didn't get his sweetheart deal, and serve no time for being the worst underage whorehouse in North America. It was because he has wealthy and powerful Johns. He didn't hang himself either, no one believes that. All the dozens of video servers, where are they? Edited January 7 by DKW 86 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AU9377 4,977 Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 (edited) 4 hours ago, DKW 86 said: Not buying all this is nothing. Epstein didn't get his sweetheart deal, and serve no time for being the worst underage whorehouse in North America. It was because he has wealty and powerful Johns. He didn't hang himself either, no one believes that. All the dozens of video servers, where are they? All that can be true and it still be grossly unfair and unjust to paint everyone in his orbit with the same brush. Epstein had his perversions and filth, but that isn't how he made billions. His wealth bought him access and powerful friends. Under age girls didn't do that. The big names in these documents aren't even alleged to have actually done anything with the women bringing the lawsuit, with the exception of Bill Richardson, who wasn't charged due to the prosecutor's doubts about the information provided. Michael Jackson is one of the names. I don't think anyone believes he was having sex with underage girls or any girls for that matter. The truth is that you cannot have a rational conversation with people about this because it is so sensationalized. Any real discussion and people act as though you support sex with minors. The man that did this is dead and his companion girlfriend is serving 20 years for assisting in the trafficking of minors for sex. I'm not sure what people expect to come of this past that? It simply provides juicy headlines discussion material for the press and world of Youtube. Edited January 7 by AU9377 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUDub 11,158 Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 On 1/5/2024 at 8:06 PM, AU9377 said: I watched an interview with a woman a few days ago that was very much of age when she went to live in one of his houses. She now waiting to be paid because of the "torment" that she endured. Had she been under the age of consent, I would call her a victim. I am not sure what to call her, other than a fortunate opportunist at this time. You should hear what those Instagram “models” go through when they head over to Dubai. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DKW 86 7,431 Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 14 hours ago, AU9377 said: All that can be true and it still be grossly unfair and unjust to paint everyone in his orbit with the same brush. Epstein had his perversions and filth, but that isn't how he made billions. His wealth bought him access and powerful friends. Under age girls didn't do that. The big names in these documents aren't even alleged to have actually done anything with the women bringing the lawsuit, with the exception of Bill Richardson, who wasn't charged due to the prosecutor's doubts about the information provided. Michael Jackson is one of the names. I don't think anyone believes he was having sex with underage girls or any girls for that matter. The truth is that you cannot have a rational conversation with people about this because it is so sensationalized. Any real discussion and people act as though you support sex with minors. The man that did this is dead and his companion girlfriend is serving 20 years for assisting in the trafficking of minors for sex. I'm not sure what people expect to come of this past that? It simply provides juicy headlines discussion material for the press and world of Youtube. We dont know how he made a dollar. We have no record of his transactions etc. All we know is the Founder of Victoria's Secret gave him at some point about $300M. The rest, we have no clue about. NOTHING. I believe that he may have been nothing more than a pimp for wealthy men. He never finished college, yet taught math at a swanky private school? How did that happen? Videos? What was on the videos? Who was on the videos? Where are the videos? Why cant we see all the videos? Your complete lack of curiosity seems to be blindly partisan. Utilitarian philosopher John Stuart Mill delivered an 1867 inaugural address at the University of St. Andrews and stated: “Let not any one pacify his conscience by the delusion that he can do no harm if he takes no part, and forms no opinion. Bad men need nothing more to compass their ends, than that good men should look on and do nothing. He is not a good man who, without a protest, allows wrong to be committed in his name, and with the means which he helps to supply, because he will not trouble himself to use his mind on the subject.” 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I_M4_AU 7,865 Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 2 hours ago, DKW 86 said: Your complete lack of curiosity seems to be blindly partisan. I have noticed this too. It is as if he is OK with the elite being protected as long as it is the left leaning elite. There is no curiosity as how Biden went from the self proclaimed poorest Senator to a President with three houses and millions in the bank. But, there is no evidence implicating Joe or Epstein. Between the left and the right; I wonder who benefited more from Epstein’s suicide (there is no evidence his death was not a suicide after all). The scumb of the earth have alway relied on a lack of evidence to carry out their plans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AU9377 4,977 Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 On 1/7/2024 at 9:55 AM, DKW 86 said: We dont know how he made a dollar. We have no record of his transactions etc. All we know is the Founder of Victoria's Secret gave him at some point about $300M. The rest, we have no clue about. NOTHING. I believe that he may have been nothing more than a pimp for wealthy men. He never finished college, yet taught math at a swanky private school? How did that happen? Videos? What was on the videos? Who was on the videos? Where are the videos? Why cant we see all the videos? Your complete lack of curiosity seems to be blindly partisan. Utilitarian philosopher John Stuart Mill delivered an 1867 inaugural address at the University of St. Andrews and stated: “Let not any one pacify his conscience by the delusion that he can do no harm if he takes no part, and forms no opinion. Bad men need nothing more to compass their ends, than that good men should look on and do nothing. He is not a good man who, without a protest, allows wrong to be committed in his name, and with the means which he helps to supply, because he will not trouble himself to use his mind on the subject.” It has nothing to do with politics. I'm simply not interested in the game of assuming conduct that none of us can prove ever happened. For example, Bill Gates. Gates met with him several times. According to Gates, those meetings were to solicit funds for different philanthropies. Why is that so hard to believe? Is it fair to Gates to assume something sinister without proof? No. Why would videos still exist? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AU9377 4,977 Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 22 hours ago, I_M4_AU said: I have noticed this too. It is as if he is OK with the elite being protected as long as it is the left leaning elite. There is no curiosity as how Biden went from the self proclaimed poorest Senator to a President with three houses and millions in the bank. But, there is no evidence implicating Joe or Epstein. Between the left and the right; I wonder who benefited more from Epstein’s suicide (there is no evidence his death was not a suicide after all). The scumb of the earth have alway relied on a lack of evidence to carry out their plans. I have never claimed that Trump's association with Epstein was for some illegal purpose either. I don't care if you have $1 billion or simply $1 dollar, making accusations about someone with no evidence and no way for the accused to defend themselves from those allegations is both wrong and a disservice to any real victims that may exist. This is another example that shows how impossible it is to have a real conversation about what actually occurred based on what we know. To hear some discuss it, you would think that Epstein and Maxwell kidnapped nuns and enslaved them. For crying out loud, can we just be real about something for a minute? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DKW 86 7,431 Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 20 hours ago, AU9377 said: It has nothing to do with politics. I'm simply not interested in the game of assuming conduct that none of us can prove ever happened. For example, Bill Gates. Gates met with him several times. According to Gates, those meetings were to solicit funds for different philanthropies. Why is that so hard to believe? Is it fair to Gates to assume something sinister without proof? No. Why would videos still exist? Again, we dopnt know anything about why Bill Gates dealt with JE. When did BG find out about JE? Did he continue to deal with JE after he knew what was going on? Why would videos still exist? Blackmail for more money than you and could count. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AU9377 4,977 Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 (edited) 3 hours ago, DKW 86 said: Again, we dopnt know anything about why Bill Gates dealt with JE. When did BG find out about JE? Did he continue to deal with JE after he knew what was going on? Why would videos still exist? Blackmail for more money than you and could count. Bill Gates has stated that his interactions with JE were related to donations and seeking donations for different causes that he has been involved in. JE was known to make multi million dollar donations to charitable causes . That is one way that he maintained his connections. Gates has never been accused of any wrongdoing. He has already been more forthcoming than he had to be. This really makes my point. Gates doesn't owe anyone an explanation. The entire idea that anyone that ever had interactions with JE needs to prove that they weren't involved in his bad acts is just pushing the envelope too far. The entire thing about videos.... Do we even know that they actually exist? A plaintiff that was suing JE claimed that they existed, but she had no proof whatsoever. In fact, her statement that they did exist was used against her to show her lack of credibility. The woman's name is Sarah Ransome. She also alleges that she was raped at age 11 by her mother's friend and 14 by a teenage friend of the family. She was 22 and broke when she started taking money for sex from JE. In other words, not a child and certainly less than credible. JE was a creep, but some of this stuff is bizarre. If there were tapes, I'm pretty sure someone would have sold them by now. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2024/01/08/new-epstein-records-monday-clinton-trump-prince-andrew/72149765007/ Edited January 9 by AU9377 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasTiger 12,961 Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 On 1/5/2024 at 10:03 PM, AURex said: There are a lot of names, but few real allegations. Folks here and elsewhere can provide the unsubstantiated allegations— all they need are names on a “list” to ascribe them to. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DKW 86 7,431 Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7357357/Jeffrey-Epstein-surveillance-cameras-room-NYC-Little-St-James-properties.html https://www.thedailybeast.com/jeffrey-epsteins-ranch-had-huge-surveillance-rooms-to-spy-on-guests-maria-farmer-claims https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/01/07/prince-andrew-epstein-documents-fbi-calls-interview-massage/ https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/29/the-weekly/jeffrey-epstein-secret-videos.html https://okmagazine.com/news/jeffrey-epstein-cameras-new-york-mansion-stalking-guests/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AU9377 4,977 Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 (edited) 2 hours ago, DKW 86 said: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7357357/Jeffrey-Epstein-surveillance-cameras-room-NYC-Little-St-James-properties.html https://www.thedailybeast.com/jeffrey-epsteins-ranch-had-huge-surveillance-rooms-to-spy-on-guests-maria-farmer-claims https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/01/07/prince-andrew-epstein-documents-fbi-calls-interview-massage/ https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/29/the-weekly/jeffrey-epstein-secret-videos.html https://okmagazine.com/news/jeffrey-epstein-cameras-new-york-mansion-stalking-guests/ .......and not one bit of it is evidence that tapes exist of prominent people having sex with under aged girls. I don't doubt that there were lots of cameras present in and around homes that cost hundreds of millions. I also don't doubt that he taped himself and others having sex. That isn't proof that tapes ever existed showing that the named individuals were on tape. That isn't some partisan take. That is true whether the person is Bill Clinton, Donald Trump or Alan Dershowitz. It takes way too many assumptions to make something out of this. The man is dead. The world is a better place without him. It will take a lot more than someone looking for hush money to make any of them guilty or even complicit with JE's behavior. Society does love to satisfy their insatiable appetite for outrage and conspiracies. That is what this is at this point. Edited January 9 by AU9377 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DKW 86 7,431 Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 46 minutes ago, AU9377 said: .......and not one bit of it is evidence that tapes exist of prominent people having sex with under aged girls. I don't doubt that there were lots of cameras present in and around homes that cost hundreds of millions. I also don't doubt that he taped himself and others having sex. That isn't proof that tapes ever existed showing that the named individuals were on tape. That isn't some partisan take. That is true whether the person is Bill Clinton, Donald Trump or Alan Dershowitz. It takes way too many assumptions to make something out of this. The man is dead. The world is a better place without him. It will take a lot more than someone looking for hush money to make any of them guilty or even complicit with JE's behavior. Society does love to satisfy their insatiable appetite for outrage and conspiracies. That is what this is at this point. I love how you can take the evidence given in courtrooms and documentary TV shows and just dismiss it in a nanosecond because it doesn't fit your narrative. Blue Maga? 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoffeeTiger 5,135 Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 (edited) If any other famous or wealthy person is found out to have had any kind of hand in the sexual exploitation of these women or underaged girls then I hope they are exposed and punished to the fullest extent of the law, regardless of who they are or what political party they belong to. With that said, I'm not expecting this "list" or new documents to really lead anywhere or tell us anything new. As has been mentioned, these names and documents have been known by law enforcement for years at this point. We're not about to get any new information that nobody has seen before. I'd be really surprised at this point if anybody else is ever arrested or judicially charged with crimes relating to Epstein or his island. If anyone is waiting some some explosive revelation about Bill Gates, Bill Clinton, or Donald Trump to surface in all of this, I think you'll ultimately end up disappointed. Edited January 9 by CoffeeTiger 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AURex 2,016 Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 Having worked in the realm of child abuse and victim abuse for decades. I am happy to see evidence come out regarding the monster Epstein. That said, the names on the list -- so far -- are just names on a list. There is nothing released so far that implicates most of tyhe people on the list of actual crimes. Of course, there are many who are uninterested in actual evidence but just wnat conspiracy theories. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homersapien 11,393 Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 (edited) 23 hours ago, DKW 86 said: Blue Maga? Ironically, that's exactly what I was thinking you were: The "blue" James Comer. (Assuming you are "blue" at all.) Edited January 10 by homersapien Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homersapien 11,393 Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 (edited) Pizzagate, QAnon and the ‘Epstein List’: Why the Far Right Is Obsessed with Sex Trafficking An expert on conspiracy theories explains why MAGA figures are embracing the latest twist in the Jeffrey Epstein saga. https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2024/01/09/why-maga-is-obsessed-with-jeffrey-epstein-00134394 Edited January 10 by homersapien 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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