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Since he was a powerful political figure in Republican politics, I thought that I would post his passing in the political forum.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070515/ap_on_...s/jerry_falwell

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TT, you're just mad because the thread on the other board was getting more responses. LOL

I think the political board is more appropriate, chiefly because he was more of a political than religious figure.

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Ha!

No, it's no skin off my nose. The general practice around here on double postings is to leave open whichever one was posted first and close the other. I'll move it to the Politics forum though since his fame was largely built on his actions in that arena.

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Show some class. The man just died. We know he said some controversial things. He also apologized for them. Go stain some other forum with your presence until you learn some tact. -TitanTiger

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It will be interesting to see what becomes of his empire and/or who inherits his mantle as major spokesman for the hardcore Religious Right.

My best thoughts/prayers for his family, though.

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http://www.tmz.com/search/?q=Falwell

Real Class there guys.

Read the comments and then go throw up. It sickens me to see that some on the Left have absolutely no class and that they are proud of it. I dont care what you really think of the guy, cant you even weait till the man is buried or is iot more important for you to denigrate his family? I guess not...

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1. No loss. It came 20 years too late.

Posted at 5:12PM on May 15th 2007 by Chilly

2. thats wrong...

Posted at 5:13PM on May 15th 2007 by jessica

3. Sometimes a picture says it all.... Burn in hell Jerry, Burn in HELL!

Posted at 5:13PM on May 15th 2007 by Stellabluejay

4. thats wrong...

Posted at 5:13PM on May 15th 2007 by jessica

5. rest in peace you bastard

Posted at 5:13PM on May 15th 2007 by bryan c

6. that is the funniest thing i have seen in a long time. laughted too long and too hard. you ever put the Teletubby up is a genius. RIP

Posted at 5:13PM on May 15th 2007 by peg

7. OMG!!! NOW THAT SUMS UP IT ALL NOW DOESNT IT RE JERRY FALWELL. LOVE THE PIC

Posted at 5:13PM on May 15th 2007 by Diane Watters

8. That's anything but wrong. He caused more hate than any one person should in a single lifetime. He's burning in Hell as we type.

Posted at 5:15PM on May 15th 2007 by Chilly

9. ?

Posted at 5:15PM on May 15th 2007 by Tres Chic

10. THOSE OF YOU THAT WILL MOCK A RELIGEOUS MAN WILL BRING UPON THEMSELVES A CURSE.

Posted at 5:15PM on May 15th 2007 by TJ

11. Ah Jerry,

Hope you brought sunscreen for your trip to the thereafter. You'll need it.

Posted at 5:15PM on May 15th 2007 by Jeebus

12. I think the post you have put up is very distasteful and shows the lack of character on your part.

Posted at 5:16PM on May 15th 2007 by Vicky

13. First class a**hole..now worm food...the world finally makes sense.

Posted at 5:16PM on May 15th 2007 by andyesmysoulwillrotinhell

14. Good grief, what a tasteless post.

Shame on you TMZ.

Posted at 5:17PM on May 15th 2007 by John

15. Why continue to be antanonistic. Don't you ever take the high road? Even when someone dies? Pleas, Jeez!

Posted at 5:17PM on May 15th 2007 by rmmp

16. HA HA HA That was the best laugh I've had in days!! Let's not pretend to be

so righteous just cause the old fart kicked the bucket. I say, buhbye!!!

Posted at 5:17PM on May 15th 2007 by buhbye jerry

17. This is the funniest thing TMZ has done!!!

Posted at 5:18PM on May 15th 2007 by J

18. #12 TJ u certainly jest!!! THAT MAN SPEWED NOTHING BUT HATRED SHEER HATRED!!! WELL HE IS FINE NOW DONE IN HELL WITH HIS GOD

Posted at 5:18PM on May 15th 2007 by SAPPHIRE

19. Yo TJ,

Can we mock people who can't spell 'religious'?

But for the grace of God and a decent public school education, there I goest...

Posted at 5:19PM on May 15th 2007 by Jeebus

20. Whoever said this freak was a man of God is needs to get back on their meds.

Posted at 5:19PM on May 15th 2007 by andyesmysoulwillrotinhell

21. Kinda fitting that a "religious" figure dies, and I use that term looooosely, and almost all the postings have him going to HELL! Guess he wasn't so beloved and 'holy' as he thought. Hate breeds hate, and you can't expect too many tears be lost for this KING OF THE HATE MONGERS. Rest in Peace Hater!

Posted at 5:19PM on May 15th 2007 by Hate Monger GO DIRECTLY TO HELL

22. AWRIGHT ANOTHER BIGOT GOING STRAIGHT TO HELL............ALL THIS MAN BROUGHT ABOUT WAS HATE AND BIGOTRY AND HIS DEMISE IS SOMETHING TO REVEL A CELEBRATION THAT THIS PIECE OFCRAP IS DEAD............i AM GOING TO HAVE A DRINK AND PARTY THE NIGHT AWAY...BEEN WAITING FOR THE DEVIL TO TAKE THIS IDIOT...OINLY WISH HE SUFFERED MORE !!!!!

Posted at 5:19PM on May 15th 2007 by millie

23. I agree Vicky--extremely tasteless--but what can we expect from the liberal left coast where evangelical is a dirty word.

Posted at 5:19PM on May 15th 2007 by Mississippian

24. LOL!

Posted at 5:20PM on May 15th 2007 by bla

25. That picture is hilarious! Jerry Falwell was complete dumbass. To all you bible thumpers....go to hell and get a life!!!!

Posted at 5:21PM on May 15th 2007 by Jennifer

26. Im a right conservative but he said things that were terrible and his university is a joke-very racist and wrong. Sad for his family but not for him.

Posted at 5:21PM on May 15th 2007 by Court Reporter

27. LOL! Good one TMZ with the teletubbie. I forgot all about the teletubbie incident that Jerry said the teletubbie is gay. I believe Jerry believes he is going to heaven, but actually he is coming back as an agnostic liberal!

Posted at 5:21PM on May 15th 2007 by See You All in Hell!

28. LOL!

Posted at 5:22PM on May 15th 2007 by Bubba

29. It's never cool to wish death upon someone, but, man oh man, Jerry Falwell was so hateful and so bigoted and so very INtolerant - what would Jesus do indeed? - that it's not exactly sad to get that news. If Hell is filled with people who are roundly despised, then Jerry just found himself in a lot of hot water!

Posted at 5:22PM on May 15th 2007 by jeff

30. Well, I guess the good Lord just had enough of his mouth!!!

Posted at 5:22PM on May 15th 2007 by Annia

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Wow. Was he hated that much? Sure he said some really ignorant things but I really can't see anybody having that same response for when Rosie O'Donnell dies.

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I just love it when the caring, open minded and tolerant Left show's it's character when someone NOT LIKE THEM dies. It shows how completely and utterly hypocritical they are, and that the real CULTURE of Hatred is the Left.

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pic-meet-char-tinkywinky.jpg

http://www.tmz.com/search/?q=Falwell

Real Class there guys.

Read the comments and then go throw up. It sickens me to see that some on the Left have absolutely no class and that they are proud of it. I dont care what you really think of the guy, cant you even weait till the man is buried or is iot more important for you to denigrate his family? I guess not...

Reader Comments

(Page 1 of 121) | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | Most Recent | Next 15 Comments

1. No loss. It came 20 years too late.

Posted at 5:12PM on May 15th 2007 by Chilly

2. thats wrong...

Posted at 5:13PM on May 15th 2007 by jessica

3. Sometimes a picture says it all.... Burn in hell Jerry, Burn in HELL!

Posted at 5:13PM on May 15th 2007 by Stellabluejay

4. thats wrong...

Posted at 5:13PM on May 15th 2007 by jessica

5. rest in peace you bastard

Posted at 5:13PM on May 15th 2007 by bryan c

6. that is the funniest thing i have seen in a long time. laughted too long and too hard. you ever put the Teletubby up is a genius. RIP

Posted at 5:13PM on May 15th 2007 by peg

7. OMG!!! NOW THAT SUMS UP IT ALL NOW DOESNT IT RE JERRY FALWELL. LOVE THE PIC

Posted at 5:13PM on May 15th 2007 by Diane Watters

8. That's anything but wrong. He caused more hate than any one person should in a single lifetime. He's burning in Hell as we type.

Posted at 5:15PM on May 15th 2007 by Chilly

9. ?

Posted at 5:15PM on May 15th 2007 by Tres Chic

10. THOSE OF YOU THAT WILL MOCK A RELIGEOUS MAN WILL BRING UPON THEMSELVES A CURSE.

Posted at 5:15PM on May 15th 2007 by TJ

11. Ah Jerry,

Hope you brought sunscreen for your trip to the thereafter. You'll need it.

Posted at 5:15PM on May 15th 2007 by Jeebus

12. I think the post you have put up is very distasteful and shows the lack of character on your part.

Posted at 5:16PM on May 15th 2007 by Vicky

13. First class a**hole..now worm food...the world finally makes sense.

Posted at 5:16PM on May 15th 2007 by andyesmysoulwillrotinhell

14. Good grief, what a tasteless post.

Shame on you TMZ.

Posted at 5:17PM on May 15th 2007 by John

15. Why continue to be antanonistic. Don't you ever take the high road? Even when someone dies? Pleas, Jeez!

Posted at 5:17PM on May 15th 2007 by rmmp

16. HA HA HA That was the best laugh I've had in days!! Let's not pretend to be

so righteous just cause the old fart kicked the bucket. I say, buhbye!!!

Posted at 5:17PM on May 15th 2007 by buhbye jerry

17. This is the funniest thing TMZ has done!!!

Posted at 5:18PM on May 15th 2007 by J

18. #12 TJ u certainly jest!!! THAT MAN SPEWED NOTHING BUT HATRED SHEER HATRED!!! WELL HE IS FINE NOW DONE IN HELL WITH HIS GOD

Posted at 5:18PM on May 15th 2007 by SAPPHIRE

19. Yo TJ,

Can we mock people who can't spell 'religious'?

But for the grace of God and a decent public school education, there I goest...

Posted at 5:19PM on May 15th 2007 by Jeebus

20. Whoever said this freak was a man of God is needs to get back on their meds.

Posted at 5:19PM on May 15th 2007 by andyesmysoulwillrotinhell

21. Kinda fitting that a "religious" figure dies, and I use that term looooosely, and almost all the postings have him going to HELL! Guess he wasn't so beloved and 'holy' as he thought. Hate breeds hate, and you can't expect too many tears be lost for this KING OF THE HATE MONGERS. Rest in Peace Hater!

Posted at 5:19PM on May 15th 2007 by Hate Monger GO DIRECTLY TO HELL

22. AWRIGHT ANOTHER BIGOT GOING STRAIGHT TO HELL............ALL THIS MAN BROUGHT ABOUT WAS HATE AND BIGOTRY AND HIS DEMISE IS SOMETHING TO REVEL A CELEBRATION THAT THIS PIECE OFCRAP IS DEAD............i AM GOING TO HAVE A DRINK AND PARTY THE NIGHT AWAY...BEEN WAITING FOR THE DEVIL TO TAKE THIS IDIOT...OINLY WISH HE SUFFERED MORE !!!!!

Posted at 5:19PM on May 15th 2007 by millie

23. I agree Vicky--extremely tasteless--but what can we expect from the liberal left coast where evangelical is a dirty word.

Posted at 5:19PM on May 15th 2007 by Mississippian

24. LOL!

Posted at 5:20PM on May 15th 2007 by bla

25. That picture is hilarious! Jerry Falwell was complete dumbass. To all you bible thumpers....go to hell and get a life!!!!

Posted at 5:21PM on May 15th 2007 by Jennifer

26. Im a right conservative but he said things that were terrible and his university is a joke-very racist and wrong. Sad for his family but not for him.

Posted at 5:21PM on May 15th 2007 by Court Reporter

27. LOL! Good one TMZ with the teletubbie. I forgot all about the teletubbie incident that Jerry said the teletubbie is gay. I believe Jerry believes he is going to heaven, but actually he is coming back as an agnostic liberal!

Posted at 5:21PM on May 15th 2007 by See You All in Hell!

28. LOL!

Posted at 5:22PM on May 15th 2007 by Bubba

29. It's never cool to wish death upon someone, but, man oh man, Jerry Falwell was so hateful and so bigoted and so very INtolerant - what would Jesus do indeed? - that it's not exactly sad to get that news. If Hell is filled with people who are roundly despised, then Jerry just found himself in a lot of hot water!

Posted at 5:22PM on May 15th 2007 by jeff

30. Well, I guess the good Lord just had enough of his mouth!!!

Posted at 5:22PM on May 15th 2007 by Annia

I believe that these guys are being classless. I felt the same way about things posted here when Molly Ivins died. But you posting what was on that forum on this forum and thread served to make this thread far more political. You managed to make a thread on this forum about Falwell dying a slamfest of the "left" by importing hatefulness.

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I think Falwell's legacy is fair game critique. Personally, I think the man did far more harm than good. However, I certainly don't agree with the TMZ posters you put on the board.

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I think Falwell's legacy is fair game critique. Personally, I think the man did far more harm than good. However, I certainly don't agree with the TMZ posters you put on the board.

I think it is fair game to critique, as well, as are most people's public lives. I just don't think it needs to be immediate. We can at least wait until their families bury them first.

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de mortuis nil nisi bonum

Let him rest in peace.

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Interesting:

Larry Flynt: My friend, Jerry Falwell

How the pornographer found himself in the embrace of the reverend who sued him.

By Larry Flynt, LARRY FLYNT is the publisher of Hustler magazine and the author of "Sex, Lies and Politics."

May 20, 2007

THE FIRST TIME the Rev. Jerry Falwell put his hands on me, I was stunned. Not only had we been archenemies for 15 years, his beliefs and mine traveling in different solar systems, and not only had he sued me for $50 million (a case I lost repeatedly yet eventually won in the Supreme Court), but now he was hugging me in front of millions on the Larry King show.

It was 1997. My autobiography, "An Unseemly Man," had just been published, describing my life as a publisher of pornography. The film "The People vs. Larry Flynt" had recently come out, and the country was well aware of the battle that Falwell and I had fought: a battle that had changed the laws governing what the American public can see and hear in the media and that had dramatically strengthened our right to free speech.

King was conducting the interview. It was the first time since the infamous 1988 trial that the reverend and I had been in the same room together, and the thought of even breathing the same air with him made me sick. I disagreed with Falwell (who died last week) on absolutely everything he preached, and he looked at me as symbolic of all the social ills that a society can possibly have. But I'd do anything to sell the book and the film, and Falwell would do anything to preach, so King's audience of 8 million viewers was all the incentive either of us needed to bring us together.

But let's start at the beginning and flash back to the late 1970s, when the battle between Falwell, the leader of the Moral Majority, and I first began. I was publishing Hustler magazine, which most people know has been pushing the envelope of taste from the very beginning, and Falwell was blasting me every chance he had. He would talk about how I was a slime dealer responsible for the decay of all morals. He called me every terrible name he could think of — names as bad, in my opinion, as any language used in my magazine.

After several years of listening to him bash me and reading his insults, I decided it was time to start poking some fun at him. So we ran a parody ad in Hustler — a takeoff on the then-current Campari ads in which people were interviewed describing "their first time." In the ads, it ultimately became clear that the interviewees were describing their first time sipping Campari. But not in our parody. We had Falwell describing his "first time" as having been with his mother, "drunk off our God-fearing asses," in an outhouse.

Apparently, the reverend didn't find the joke funny. He sued us for libel in federal court in Virginia, claiming that the magazine had inflicted emotional stress on him. It was a long and tedious fight, beginning in 1983 and ending in 1988, but Hustler Magazine Inc. vs. Jerry Falwell was without question my most important battle.

We lost in our initial jury trial, and we lost again in federal appeals court. After spending a fortune, everyone's advice to me was to just settle the case and be done, but I wasn't listening; I wasn't about to pay Falwell $200,000 for hurting his feelings or, as his lawyers called it, "intentional infliction of emotional distress." We appealed to the U.S. 4th Circuit Court of Appeals, and I lost for a third time.

Everyone was certain this was the end. We never thought the U.S. Supreme Court would agree to hear the case. But it did, and though I felt doomed throughout the trial and was convinced that I was going to lose, we never gave up. As we had moved up the judicial ladder, this case had become much more than just a personal battle between a pornographer and a preacher, because the 1st Amendment was so much at the heart of the case.

To my amazement, we won. It wasn't until after I won the case and read the justices' unanimous decision in my favor that I realized fully the significance of what had happened. The justices held that a parody of a public figure was protected under the 1st Amendment even if it was outrageous, even if it was "doubtless gross and repugnant," as they put it, and even if it was designed to inflict emotional distress. In a unanimous decision — written by, of all people, Chief Justice William H. Rehnquist — the court reasoned that if it supported Falwell's lower-court victory, no one would ever have to prove something was false and libelous to win a judgment. All anyone would have to prove is that "he upset me" or "she made me feel bad." The lawsuits would be endless, and that would be the end of free speech.

Everyone was shocked at our victory — and no one more so than Falwell, who on the day of the decision called me a "sleaze merchant" hiding behind the 1st Amendment. Still, over time, Falwell was forced to publicly come to grips with the reality that this is America, where you can make fun of anyone you want. That hadn't been absolutely clear before our case, but now it's being taught in law schools all over the country, and our case is being hailed as one of the most important free-speech cases of the 20th century.

No wonder that when he started hugging me and smooching me on television 10 years later, I was a bit confused. I hadn't seen him since we'd been in court together, and that night I didn't see him until I came out on the stage. I was expecting (and looking for) a fight, but instead he was putting his hands all over me. I remember thinking, "I spent $3 million taking that case to the Supreme Court, and now this guy wants to put his hand on my leg?"

Soon after that episode, I was in my office in Beverly Hills, and out of nowhere my secretary buzzes me, saying, "Jerry Falwell is here to see you." I was shocked, but I said, "Send him in." We talked for two hours, with the latest issues of Hustler neatly stacked on my desk in front of him. He suggested that we go around the country debating, and I agreed. We went to colleges, debating moral issues and 1st Amendment issues — what's "proper," what's not and why.

In the years that followed and up until his death, he'd come to see me every time he was in California. We'd have interesting philosophical conversations. We'd exchange personal Christmas cards. He'd show me pictures of his grandchildren. I was with him in Florida once when he complained about his health and his weight, so I suggested that he go on a diet that had worked for me. I faxed a copy to his wife when I got back home.

The truth is, the reverend and I had a lot in common. He was from Virginia, and I was from Kentucky. His father had been a bootlegger, and I had been one too in my 20s before I went into the Navy. We steered our conversations away from politics, but religion was within bounds. He wanted to save me and was determined to get me out of "the business."

My mother always told me that no matter how repugnant you find a person, when you meet them face to face you will always find something about them to like. The more I got to know Falwell, the more I began to see that his public portrayals were caricatures of himself. There was a dichotomy between the real Falwell and the one he showed the public.

He was definitely selling brimstone religion and would do anything to add another member to his mailing list. But in the end, I knew what he was selling, and he knew what I was selling, and we found a way to communicate.

I always kicked his ass about his crazy ideas and the things he said. Every time I'd call him, I'd get put right through, and he'd let me berate him about his views. When he was getting blasted for his ridiculous homophobic comments after he wrote his "Tinky Winky" article cautioning parents that the purple Teletubby character was in fact gay, I called him in Florida and yelled at him to "leave the Tinky Winkies alone."

When he referred to Ellen Degeneres in print as Ellen "Degenerate," I called him and said, "What are you doing? You don't need to poison the whole lake with your venom." I could hear him mumbling out of the side of his mouth, "These lesbians just drive me crazy." I'm sure I never changed his mind about anything, just as he never changed mine.

I'll never admire him for his views or his opinions. To this day, I'm not sure if his television embrace was meant to mend fences, to show himself to the public as a generous and forgiving preacher or merely to make me uneasy, but the ultimate result was one I never expected and was just as shocking a turn to me as was winning that famous Supreme Court case: We became friends.

http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commen...home-commentary

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To the religious loons ( and various others ) who think Falwell was right, and that God indeed sent the 9/11 attacks onto our nation as a wake up call, and to do right, consider this; where was God when this nation was actively pushing the native Americans off their lands ? Where was God when slavery was going on? What great 'calamity ' did God send our way for the hundreds of yrs of those immoral acts ?

Why can't we simply face the facts for what they are. We are as imperfect as any nation, but that doesn't in ANY way justify or validate a group of Islamio-fascists intent on murdering as many of us 'infidels' as they can. Stop trying to view this as some sort of punishment for what WE'VE done or not done, and see it for what it really is....EVIL. Evil in it's rawest form, and those who refuse to fight evil might as well be part of it.

" All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing. " - Edmund Burke

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Out of curiosity (I'm sure I will regret asking)... Do you not think that just by posting that tasteless picture you are doing the very thing it targets?

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Out of curiosity (I'm sure I will regret asking)... Do you not think that just by posting that tasteless picture you are doing the very thing it targets?

Who cares? It was funny as hell.

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Out of curiosity (I'm sure I will regret asking)... Do you not think that just by posting that tasteless picture you are doing the very thing it targets?

Who cares? It was funny as hell.

Spoken like a true liberal. Congratulations.

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Out of curiosity (I'm sure I will regret asking)... Do you not think that just by posting that tasteless picture you are doing the very thing it targets?

Who cares? It was funny as hell.

Did you think the term "Ellen Degenerate" was funny also?

Why do you hate straight people so much? B):poke:

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Out of curiosity (I'm sure I will regret asking)... Do you not think that just by posting that tasteless picture you are doing the very thing it targets?

Does the cartoon "judge" Falwell? Maybe. I think it is more accurate to say that it characterizes his public actions more than it condemns him. His "judgements" were usually condemnations. He did it publicly and sought as much attention as possible. He had a record of high profile condemnations of people. The cartoon doesn't show him going to hell. It characterizes his public life.

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