runswithscissors 33 Posted November 20, 2007 Share Posted November 20, 2007 Look, rws, the bottom line is this. Mike Shula beat ULM 41-7. With essentially the same "bad apples". Answer my question. What is the one biggest difference between last year's team that won 41-7, and this year's team that lost 21-14? If this year's team got last year's score and vice versa, you'd be able to see the answer just fine. But since it doesn't fit the Saban = God mantra, you refuse to face reality. i agree, essentially the same bad apples beat ULM. i agree, the big difference is the coach. i completely agree with that and that is part of the point you are not seeing. they weren't considered "bad apples" to the previous coaching staff because the previous coaching staff was fine with that type of behavior. the previous staff was fine with playing upperclassmen unconditionally even if the underclassman below them on the depth chart had much more talent because, well, he didn't want to huwt somebody's wittle feewings and have someone mad at him. the players that are a problem now were happy with this type of arrangement because that was their mentality. but now there is a problem with those players because that is not the mentality anymore. said players are upset that they are not guaranteed their starting slots just becuase they are upperclassmen. the new staff has brought more of a "you have to earn it" mentality and some want it handed to them, and don't want to have to earn it. but since it doesn't fit the Saban = the most horrible coach in the universe mantra, you refuse to face reality. it is not all of the players fault. it is not all of the coaches fault. both shoulder some blame. there is alot of division on that team, and it shows. like i've said before, i know you don't want to see it....so you won't. under your scenario, a player's attitude can never ever EVER change and will stay etched in stone forever. nothing can EVER change his attitude or work ethic and he will always work as hard every single game and every single season as he has always. you and i both know that isn't always true. Ok, then if this is your explanation, answer my follow-up question.Wouldn't the "bad apples" who didn't earn their PT because Almighty Saban puts good attitudes above seniority, NOT be the same players who couldn't get it done on the field against ULM? seniority means nil. zilch. nada. go look at the depth chart. http://alabama.rivals.com/cdepthtext.asp?teKey=2 how many times do i have to mention that skill is the big factor in PT? even if you have the player with a bad attitude but then say in that particular position all of the guys behind him don't even belong on the field. are you going to take a chance that your bad apple will work, or are you going to throw a bunch of guys who don't know what they're doing onto the field to be thrown to the wolves and beaten on every play? that's why you recruit some good guys with good skills, and then replace as possible. as i asked before in another post, would you be fine losing every game in a season if CTT took out say Blackmon, Groves, Cox, Davis because "well i just don't like their attitude?". he wouldn't pull them out unless there were people behind them that had the skill to function in the most fundamental way in that position. and if that were the case, hey that's great. but unfortunately some positions on the team are bad off to the point that there is no choice to put someone with a bad attitude starting because there is just no skill behind him. See Robert Dunn's suspension this year for two games (including LSU). WOW. a punt returner. yeah, i mean there needs to be some serious development to the players behind him for someone to be able to take his place. you need someone with mad skills to fill those shoes. point proven. while i agree in principle, yes that's great that CTT was able to suspend him because of his practice efforts, or the lack thereof. however, that is just 1 position and it is a punt returner position. He's also our second best wide out and starting slot receiver. 14 receptions and 172 yards with 2 TDs is your second best wideout? all of a sudden i like our secondary's chances Saturday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerHeat 9 Posted November 20, 2007 Share Posted November 20, 2007 Look, rws, the bottom line is this. Mike Shula beat ULM 41-7. With essentially the same "bad apples". Answer my question. What is the one biggest difference between last year's team that won 41-7, and this year's team that lost 21-14? If this year's team got last year's score and vice versa, you'd be able to see the answer just fine. But since it doesn't fit the Saban = God mantra, you refuse to face reality. i agree, essentially the same bad apples beat ULM. i agree, the big difference is the coach. i completely agree with that and that is part of the point you are not seeing. they weren't considered "bad apples" to the previous coaching staff because the previous coaching staff was fine with that type of behavior. the previous staff was fine with playing upperclassmen unconditionally even if the underclassman below them on the depth chart had much more talent because, well, he didn't want to huwt somebody's wittle feewings and have someone mad at him. the players that are a problem now were happy with this type of arrangement because that was their mentality. but now there is a problem with those players because that is not the mentality anymore. said players are upset that they are not guaranteed their starting slots just becuase they are upperclassmen. the new staff has brought more of a "you have to earn it" mentality and some want it handed to them, and don't want to have to earn it. but since it doesn't fit the Saban = the most horrible coach in the universe mantra, you refuse to face reality. it is not all of the players fault. it is not all of the coaches fault. both shoulder some blame. there is alot of division on that team, and it shows. like i've said before, i know you don't want to see it....so you won't. under your scenario, a player's attitude can never ever EVER change and will stay etched in stone forever. nothing can EVER change his attitude or work ethic and he will always work as hard every single game and every single season as he has always. you and i both know that isn't always true. Ok, then if this is your explanation, answer my follow-up question.Wouldn't the "bad apples" who didn't earn their PT because Almighty Saban puts good attitudes above seniority, NOT be the same players who couldn't get it done on the field against ULM? seniority means nil. zilch. nada. go look at the depth chart. http://alabama.rivals.com/cdepthtext.asp?teKey=2 how many times do i have to mention that skill is the big factor in PT? even if you have the player with a bad attitude but then say in that particular position all of the guys behind him don't even belong on the field. are you going to take a chance that your bad apple will work, or are you going to throw a bunch of guys who don't know what they're doing onto the field to be thrown to the wolves and beaten on every play? that's why you recruit some good guys with good skills, and then replace as possible. as i asked before in another post, would you be fine losing every game in a season if CTT took out say Blackmon, Groves, Cox, Davis because "well i just don't like their attitude?". he wouldn't pull them out unless there were people behind them that had the skill to function in the most fundamental way in that position. and if that were the case, hey that's great. but unfortunately some positions on the team are bad off to the point that there is no choice to put someone with a bad attitude starting because there is just no skill behind him. See Robert Dunn's suspension this year for two games (including LSU). WOW. a punt returner. yeah, i mean there needs to be some serious development to the players behind him for someone to be able to take his place. you need someone with mad skills to fill those shoes. point proven. while i agree in principle, yes that's great that CTT was able to suspend him because of his practice efforts, or the lack thereof. however, that is just 1 position and it is a punt returner position. He's also our second best wide out and starting slot receiver. 14 receptions and 172 yards with 2 TDs is your second best wideout? all of a sudden i like our secondary's chances Saturday. don't get too excited. Your secondary will have all they can handle with Brad, Mario, and Ben making ULM look like a minor power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUChizad 0 Posted November 20, 2007 Share Posted November 20, 2007 What am I missing here? The process. OH! Now it all makes sense. You could have saved a lot of typing, rws. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WAR-MATT 2 Posted November 20, 2007 Share Posted November 20, 2007 I found the real transcript for the presser. Link November 20, 2007NICK SABAN’S PRESS CONFERENCE Nick Saban approaches the podium, looking drawn and fatigued. Cameras pop idly. The press conference begins. Reporter one, wiping donut grease off chin: “Coach, how do you recover from a catastrophe like this?†Coach Saban:“Changes in history usually occur after some kind of catastrophic event. It may be 9-11, which sort of changed the spirit of America relative to catastrophic events. Pearl Harbor kind of got us ready for World War II, or whatever, and that was a catastrophic event.†Reporter two, putting down a cup of whole gravy: “Are you sure that’s the right phrasing?†Coach Saban: “Look, I’m sure it’s the right phrasing. It’s just like the way I would describe John Parker Wilson’s play as ‘AIDS-y.†Which is not what I called it, by the way. I’m just saying that one could describe his play as being reminiscent of an autoimmune disease with no known cure that’s killed millions around the globe. You could say that, that’s all I’m saying.†Reporter two: “Is that how you’d describe Wilson’s play? AIDS-y?†Saban: (chuckles.)â€ÂNo, no. It wasn’t AIDS-y at all. I would never say that about his play.†Reporter two: “Then how would you describe it?†Saban: “Holocaust-tastic. That’s the right word, I think.†Reporter one, dumping the last salty powder from a family-sized bag of chips into his gullet: “Coach Saban, what about the play of your offensive line?†Saban:â€ÂI’d like to say we were raped. Or gang-raped, as it were, like the women of Nanjing, China during the Japan-China conflict. Or perhaps overcome like the nation of Bangladesh in a floor, or like the people of Bhopal, India were when poison gas killed thousands. In fact, it was just like that. We went to sleep, and we never woke up just like those people.†Reporter one, coughing up Dorito-dust: “Are you sure those are the right words?†Saban: “Yes, actually. You might call it Bhopal-licious. But just like in Bhopal, or in Bangladesh, or even in the case of a gang-rape situation at sea with no hope of rescue, only the tough survive. I mean, look at those places now. They’re doing better than they ever have after disaster. That’s exactly what we’ll do…†Reporter two: “…coach, I wanted to…†Saban: “…wait, I’m not done. Take the Native Americans. Only the tough ones survived, and now they’re rolling in it with casinos and such. Rich Indians, the tough ones. That’s gonna be us. Right now, everyone’s stumbling around drunk on firewater and dying of smallpox, but lemme tell ya: we’ll be the ones with the chips and big teepees when this is over, y’all.†Reporter three, finishing a three inch piece of brisket: “Um, coach, I think we might want to move on to a different line of questioning…†Saban: “…or maybe like man versus bear fights. If you’re like me, you just get it into your blood after a while: a man, an unmuzzled bear, and a dimly lit pit filled with cash. There’s just nothing like it, really, especially when you’ve got an immigrant in there. You know, an illegal playing for a fake green card, or better yet for the lives of one of his kidnapped relatives. Whew, I tell you what: they’ll fight like crazy for their kidnapped family members. Anyway, only the tough ones survive, and that’s what we’re talking about here. Toughness. We’ve just got to get tougher. Next question.†Reporter three, gape-mouthed: “Um, coach…who was the best…um…bear fighter you’ve ever seen?†Saban: “No question: Ed Orgeron. Any other questions? Any…†The reporters sprint to their laptops, leaving Nick Saban in an empty room filled with chicken bones, snack wrappers, and empty Starbucks’ cups. Alabama’s PR man is in the corner with a can of gas and a match. PR guy: “You mind if I…†Saban: (shakes head) Go ahead. I don’t have time for this s***. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WAR-MATT 2 Posted November 20, 2007 Share Posted November 20, 2007 Look, rws, the bottom line is this. Mike Shula beat ULM 41-7. With essentially the same "bad apples". Answer my question. What is the one biggest difference between last year's team that won 41-7, and this year's team that lost 21-14? If this year's team got last year's score and vice versa, you'd be able to see the answer just fine. But since it doesn't fit the Saban = God mantra, you refuse to face reality. i agree, essentially the same bad apples beat ULM. i agree, the big difference is the coach. i completely agree with that and that is part of the point you are not seeing. they weren't considered "bad apples" to the previous coaching staff because the previous coaching staff was fine with that type of behavior. the previous staff was fine with playing upperclassmen unconditionally even if the underclassman below them on the depth chart had much more talent because, well, he didn't want to huwt somebody's wittle feewings and have someone mad at him. the players that are a problem now were happy with this type of arrangement because that was their mentality. but now there is a problem with those players because that is not the mentality anymore. said players are upset that they are not guaranteed their starting slots just becuase they are upperclassmen. the new staff has brought more of a "you have to earn it" mentality and some want it handed to them, and don't want to have to earn it. but since it doesn't fit the Saban = the most horrible coach in the universe mantra, you refuse to face reality. it is not all of the players fault. it is not all of the coaches fault. both shoulder some blame. there is alot of division on that team, and it shows. like i've said before, i know you don't want to see it....so you won't. under your scenario, a player's attitude can never ever EVER change and will stay etched in stone forever. nothing can EVER change his attitude or work ethic and he will always work as hard every single game and every single season as he has always. you and i both know that isn't always true. Ok, then if this is your explanation, answer my follow-up question.Wouldn't the "bad apples" who didn't earn their PT because Almighty Saban puts good attitudes above seniority, NOT be the same players who couldn't get it done on the field against ULM? seniority means nil. zilch. nada. go look at the depth chart. http://alabama.rivals.com/cdepthtext.asp?teKey=2 how many times do i have to mention that skill is the big factor in PT? even if you have the player with a bad attitude but then say in that particular position all of the guys behind him don't even belong on the field. are you going to take a chance that your bad apple will work, or are you going to throw a bunch of guys who don't know what they're doing onto the field to be thrown to the wolves and beaten on every play? that's why you recruit some good guys with good skills, and then replace as possible. as i asked before in another post, would you be fine losing every game in a season if CTT took out say Blackmon, Groves, Cox, Davis because "well i just don't like their attitude?". he wouldn't pull them out unless there were people behind them that had the skill to function in the most fundamental way in that position. and if that were the case, hey that's great. but unfortunately some positions on the team are bad off to the point that there is no choice to put someone with a bad attitude starting because there is just no skill behind him. See Robert Dunn's suspension this year for two games (including LSU). WOW. a punt returner. yeah, i mean there needs to be some serious development to the players behind him for someone to be able to take his place. you need someone with mad skills to fill those shoes. point proven. while i agree in principle, yes that's great that CTT was able to suspend him because of his practice efforts, or the lack thereof. however, that is just 1 position and it is a punt returner position. He's also our second best wide out and starting slot receiver. 14 receptions and 172 yards with 2 TDs is your second best wideout? all of a sudden i like our secondary's chances Saturday. "it is what it is". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUChizad 0 Posted November 20, 2007 Share Posted November 20, 2007 I found the real transcript for the presser. Link November 20, 2007NICK SABAN’S PRESS CONFERENCE Nick Saban approaches the podium, looking drawn and fatigued. Cameras pop idly. The press conference begins. Reporter one, wiping donut grease off chin: “Coach, how do you recover from a catastrophe like this?†Coach Saban:“Changes in history usually occur after some kind of catastrophic event. It may be 9-11, which sort of changed the spirit of America relative to catastrophic events. Pearl Harbor kind of got us ready for World War II, or whatever, and that was a catastrophic event.†Reporter two, putting down a cup of whole gravy: “Are you sure that’s the right phrasing?†Coach Saban: “Look, I’m sure it’s the right phrasing. It’s just like the way I would describe John Parker Wilson’s play as ‘AIDS-y.†Which is not what I called it, by the way. I’m just saying that one could describe his play as being reminiscent of an autoimmune disease with no known cure that’s killed millions around the globe. You could say that, that’s all I’m saying.†Reporter two: “Is that how you’d describe Wilson’s play? AIDS-y?†Saban: (chuckles.)â€ÂNo, no. It wasn’t AIDS-y at all. I would never say that about his play.†Reporter two: “Then how would you describe it?†Saban: “Holocaust-tastic. That’s the right word, I think.†Reporter one, dumping the last salty powder from a family-sized bag of chips into his gullet: “Coach Saban, what about the play of your offensive line?†Saban:â€ÂI’d like to say we were raped. Or gang-raped, as it were, like the women of Nanjing, China during the Japan-China conflict. Or perhaps overcome like the nation of Bangladesh in a floor, or like the people of Bhopal, India were when poison gas killed thousands. In fact, it was just like that. We went to sleep, and we never woke up just like those people.†Reporter one, coughing up Dorito-dust: “Are you sure those are the right words?†Saban: “Yes, actually. You might call it Bhopal-licious. But just like in Bhopal, or in Bangladesh, or even in the case of a gang-rape situation at sea with no hope of rescue, only the tough survive. I mean, look at those places now. They’re doing better than they ever have after disaster. That’s exactly what we’ll do…†Reporter two: “…coach, I wanted to…†Saban: “…wait, I’m not done. Take the Native Americans. Only the tough ones survived, and now they’re rolling in it with casinos and such. Rich Indians, the tough ones. That’s gonna be us. Right now, everyone’s stumbling around drunk on firewater and dying of smallpox, but lemme tell ya: we’ll be the ones with the chips and big teepees when this is over, y’all.†Reporter three, finishing a three inch piece of brisket: “Um, coach, I think we might want to move on to a different line of questioning…†Saban: “…or maybe like man versus bear fights. If you’re like me, you just get it into your blood after a while: a man, an unmuzzled bear, and a dimly lit pit filled with cash. There’s just nothing like it, really, especially when you’ve got an immigrant in there. You know, an illegal playing for a fake green card, or better yet for the lives of one of his kidnapped relatives. Whew, I tell you what: they’ll fight like crazy for their kidnapped family members. Anyway, only the tough ones survive, and that’s what we’re talking about here. Toughness. We’ve just got to get tougher. Next question.†Reporter three, gape-mouthed: “Um, coach…who was the best…um…bear fighter you’ve ever seen?†Saban: “No question: Ed Orgeron. Any other questions? Any…†The reporters sprint to their laptops, leaving Nick Saban in an empty room filled with chicken bones, snack wrappers, and empty Starbucks’ cups. Alabama’s PR man is in the corner with a can of gas and a match. PR guy: “You mind if I…†Saban: (shakes head) Go ahead. I don’t have time for this s***. I think I chortled my pants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
runswithscissors 33 Posted November 20, 2007 Share Posted November 20, 2007 don't get too excited. Your secondary will have all they can handle with Brad, Mario, and Ben making ULM look like a minor power. they ARE a minor power. thats whats so sad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerHeat 9 Posted November 20, 2007 Share Posted November 20, 2007 don't get too excited. Your secondary will have all they can handle with Brad, Mario, and Ben making ULM look like a minor power. they ARE a minor power. thats whats so sad. okay....wasn't sure you guys knew that and didn't want to make you feel bad. what with all your celebrations about the big day your secondary will have and all.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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