Bryce Brown?

[tidesnightmare 0]

Anybody heard anything on this kid? Miami lock or do we have a chance?

[Justin5 20]

Drama queen. No thanks. Give me Oku.

[Tigermike 3,076]

I thought he had signed with Oregon, but looking at their commitment list and he is not listed. He is also not listed as having signed with anyone.

While looking for info on Brown, I came across something that is interesting; Oregon only signed ONE (1) kid from the state of Oregon.

Oregon Scout site

Oregon St didn't have but four or five. They must not play football in Oregon.

[SouthLink02 8]

Rumors on UGA's forum that he may end up at Tennessee but there is nothing of substance to it other than rumor

[AU alum 2]

Rumors on UGA's forum that he may end up at Tennessee but there is nothing of substance to it other than rumor

Yeah, rumors on UT's forum say he may end up at UT. But they're also saying that about Oku. Course, Syracuse is also saying Oku is going there. One thing I didn't follow. A poster on UT's site says that Brown is visiting there this weekend. Anybody else heard that?

[tidesnightmare 0]

How am i a drama queen for asking a question, jacka**

[tidesnightmare 0]

Thanks for the info guys.

[auwallace 6]

How am i a drama queen for asking a question, jacka**

he wasn't calling you a drama queen, chill

[woody 11]

How am i a drama queen for asking a question, jacka**

I think he said brown was the drama queen! Try decaf

[Justin5 20]

How am i a drama queen for asking a question, jacka**

I think he said brown was the drama queen! Try decaf

Indeed. Brown is the drama queen.

[tidesnightmare 0]

sorry justin, i thought you meant me. i feel bad now

[tidesnightmare 0]

i hope this link makes it up!

[BARNER 3]

Sure made me feel good and I am a drama queen.

[auburnspice 21]

Personally, I wouldn't want this guy anywhere near Auburn.

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Sharing the spotlight and the drama of the decision is Brian Butler, who identifies himself as the Brown brothers’ trainer and manager. To get to Bryce Brown, coaches must go through Butler. He handles Brown’s workouts, recruiting and news media requests.

On a Web site, Butler sells updates of Brown’s recruitment for $9.99 a month or $59 a year. He also seeks contributions that he says are used to take players on a tour of colleges each summer.

Butler, a former rapper and cellphone call-center manager, is among a new breed of entrepreneurs inserting themselves into college football recruiting. Some say he is navigating gray areas of N.C.A.A. rules and brokering his clients’ futures for personal gain. Others say he is providing his clients with exposure they would not normally receive by leveraging connections he has made during the recruitment of the Brown brothers to create a market for lesser players.

Butler encouraged Huldon Tharp, a linebacker he trains, to spread word that he got a scholarship offer from Miami to raise his recruiting profile. A Miami spokesman, who checked with Hurricanes Coach Randy Shannon, said that the Hurricanes did not offer Tharp a scholarship or seriously recruit him.

Butler’s efforts are not even limited to the realm of college athletics. He said that he was considering having Bryce Brown skip college and play in the Canadian Football League.

“I’m doing a dang good job,” Butler said. “I know that I’m the most connected guy in Wichita and probably in Kansas. Probably in the Midwest, and let some people tell, probably in the dang nation when it comes to high school recruiting.”

[Tigermike 3,076]

I think someone somewhere needs to shut Brian Butler down.

But then is it any surprise that something like this is going on? Agents for HS players? Good grief. Is what he is doing a lot different than what the AAU is doing with HS basketball players?

[WAR-MATT 2]

rumors floating around about a VERY low ACT score and a lot of talk he could go straight to the CFL.

[3328 0]

I think someone somewhere needs to shut Brian Butler down.

But then is it any surprise that something like this is going on? Agents for HS players? Good grief. Is what he is doing a lot different than what the AAU is doing with HS basketball players?

Wow. TM all you need now is Great Escape pic! How about 'Wanted Dead or Alive'? or 'Bullitt'

Great Actor! Too Cool!

[WAR-MATT 2]

I think someone somewhere needs to shut Brian Butler down.

But then is it any surprise that something like this is going on? Agents for HS players? Good grief. Is what he is doing a lot different than what the AAU is doing with HS basketball players?

Wow. TM all you need now is Great Escape pic! How about 'Wanted Dead or Alive'? or 'Bullitt'

Great Actor! Too Cool!

i'm waiting for the first singing cowboy.

[Tigermike 3,076]

I think someone somewhere needs to shut Brian Butler down.

But then is it any surprise that something like this is going on? Agents for HS players? Good grief. Is what he is doing a lot different than what the AAU is doing with HS basketball players?

Wow. TM all you need now is Great Escape pic! How about 'Wanted Dead or Alive'? or 'Bullitt'

Great Actor! Too Cool!

All great movies.

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It seems there are a lot more folks on this board who liked the old westerns than I thought.

Steve McQueen was always one of my favorites. I thought of a pic from the Magnificant Seven, but chose the Tom Horn pic instead.

[Duder 238]

I've heard (no idea where) that Brown was interested in AU because of the possibility of playing in the Wildcat under Malzahn.

That being said, he certainly sounds like a prima donna and may well be more trouble than he is worth, especially given his "agent", which I was unaware of.

My guess is he'll end up elsewhere

[Oiler 0]

Per Rivals, he has set up his last visit with for this weekend.

[Tigermike 3,076]

Per Rivals, he has set up his last visit with for this weekend.

To go along with that, I heard on the radio, WJOX (not sure who), that Oku had eliminated and it was down to & Syracuse. Obviously I can't verify that but I did here it. I would love it if Oku were to sign with

[BoJtrueAUman 4]

Personally, I wouldn't want this guy anywhere near Auburn.

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Sharing the spotlight and the drama of the decision is Brian Butler, who identifies himself as the Brown brothers’ trainer and manager. To get to Bryce Brown, coaches must go through Butler. He handles Brown’s workouts, recruiting and news media requests.

On a Web site, Butler sells updates of Brown’s recruitment for $9.99 a month or $59 a year. He also seeks contributions that he says are used to take players on a tour of colleges each summer.

Butler, a former rapper and cellphone call-center manager, is among a new breed of entrepreneurs inserting themselves into college football recruiting. Some say he is navigating gray areas of N.C.A.A. rules and brokering his clients’ futures for personal gain. Others say he is providing his clients with exposure they would not normally receive by leveraging connections he has made during the recruitment of the Brown brothers to create a market for lesser players.

Butler encouraged Huldon Tharp, a linebacker he trains, to spread word that he got a scholarship offer from Miami to raise his recruiting profile. A Miami spokesman, who checked with Hurricanes Coach Randy Shannon, said that the Hurricanes did not offer Tharp a scholarship or seriously recruit him.

Butler’s efforts are not even limited to the realm of college athletics. He said that he was considering having Bryce Brown skip college and play in the Canadian Football League.

“I’m doing a dang good job,” Butler said. “I know that I’m the most connected guy in Wichita and probably in Kansas. Probably in the Midwest, and let some people tell, probably in the dang nation when it comes to high school recruiting.”

OMG if I was this kids Mom I would have a restraining order on this guy there is no way i would allow some guy to direct my sons future and education. I am not sure how what he is doing isn't a violation of some sort but hell who do you punish if it is

[ziggyg 2]

Personally, I wouldn't want this guy anywhere near Auburn.

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Sharing the spotlight and the drama of the decision is Brian Butler, who identifies himself as the Brown brothers’ trainer and manager. To get to Bryce Brown, coaches must go through Butler. He handles Brown’s workouts, recruiting and news media requests.

On a Web site, Butler sells updates of Brown’s recruitment for $9.99 a month or $59 a year. He also seeks contributions that he says are used to take players on a tour of colleges each summer.

Butler, a former rapper and cellphone call-center manager, is among a new breed of entrepreneurs inserting themselves into college football recruiting. Some say he is navigating gray areas of N.C.A.A. rules and brokering his clients’ futures for personal gain. Others say he is providing his clients with exposure they would not normally receive by leveraging connections he has made during the recruitment of the Brown brothers to create a market for lesser players.

Butler encouraged Huldon Tharp, a linebacker he trains, to spread word that he got a scholarship offer from Miami to raise his recruiting profile. A Miami spokesman, who checked with Hurricanes Coach Randy Shannon, said that the Hurricanes did not offer Tharp a scholarship or seriously recruit him.

Butler’s efforts are not even limited to the realm of college athletics. He said that he was considering having Bryce Brown skip college and play in the Canadian Football League.

“I’m doing a dang good job,” Butler said. “I know that I’m the most connected guy in Wichita and probably in Kansas. Probably in the Midwest, and let some people tell, probably in the dang nation when it comes to high school recruiting.”

OMG if I was this kids Mom I would have a restraining order on this guy there is no way i would allow some guy to direct my sons future and education. I am not sure how what he is doing isn't a violation of some sort but hell who do you punish if it is

Is butler related to Brown's? I cant tell from article. Yes this is almost like AAU basketball summer coaches to a point. I have been around big time AAU ball but never heard of a website for 9.99. This really seems more like pimping.

[AU alum 2]

The website is http://potentialplayers.com/

Also, I found a good article on this. It is http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/print?id=38...;type=blogEntry

"A closer look at Bryce Brown's mentor

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If you thought last year's recruiting soap opera surrounding Terrelle Pryor was mind-numbing, get ready for this year's even more bizarre chase du jour.

The 2009 blue-chipper-of-intrigue is prized Wichita tailback Bryce Brown.

Nutshell: Brown is the younger brother of Miami linebacker Arthur Brown, one of last winter's top recruits. Bryce Brown committed to play at Miami last February. "Honestly, I wasn't in a rush. It was more of a spiritual thing, but this hopefully will keep it from being too crazy," Brown told Rivals.com at the time, adding that he did plan to take all five of his visits.

Turns out things have gotten a little crazy. Bryce Brown, who graduated high school a semester early, is currently on vacation with an uncle in Nebraska and now reportedly won't announce his college choice until well after signing day. Almost every story you read about the Browns mentions their advisor or mentor, Brian Butler, who has become quite a presence in the recruiting world of late.

So on Thursday morning I spoke to Butler to try and get a better sense of his organization, Potential Players, the recruitment of Bryce Brown and a lot of the rumors that swirled around all of the above.

It was one of the more unusual interviews I've had in a while. We actually talked about nine different times over the course of a 90-minute span due to his cell phone cutting out and some spotty connections on his landline, which he explained was a product of him switching phone services.

This is what I knew of Butler thanks to a Wichita Eagle story posted on his Potential Players website from 2007. He's in his mid 30s and was managing a Wichita T-Mobile call center. And he is a minister, who in 1999 had an epiphany to help children "get closer to God."

Butler says he turned his business into a "legitimate non-profit a couple of years ago." Asked how one does that, he explained by doing paper work through the state and the IRS. He says he has worked with around 50 kids over the years and the main purpose is education. "I'm educating them on what it takes to be a successful high-school athlete and what it takes to be successful in college and then to be successful as a man, husband and father."

Butler first learned of the Browns from a friend who was a substitute teacher at the junior school Arthur Brown was attending. Two years later, Butler was coaching in high school at Wichita South, and his team's final game of the season was against Arthur Brown's team and the then-freshman was a rising star. Butler and a friend approached Brown's parents about training their sons and to work with them to become faster. There was also the appeal of developing big-time talent that Butler believed would help lure other college coaches to the Wichita area and expose them to more of his players.

"Mr. Brown listened to us and was very open," Butler recalled.

The plan was to train their young athletes three to four times a week. Butler says he charges $15 to $18 per training session. The work has paid off quite well it seems.

Fast forward to 2009 and Potential Players has eight senior football prospects in its program, and Butler says five will be going to play major college football. This also is no small feat given that most of the prospects Butler works with do not come from the Wichita public schools system, where Butler says territorial coaches have kept him from working with their players. Instead, all but one of Butler's protégés (Bryce Brown) come from many schools that are producing their first 1-A high school athlete.

The plum of Butler's program is Bryce Brown, the local Wichita public schools product. And as Brown's recruitment has intensified, word has gotten out about Butler's latest idea: charging $9.95 a month for a service in which fans or coaches can subscribe to the latest updates on Brown or any of Butler's players. It would also allow a place to watch video of the athletes.

It is an idea that -- on the surface -- feeds into the suspicion many people have about "advisors" and blue-chip recruits. Many cynics come away wondering the same thing: What is the end game here? Sure, other entities often charge a fee for recruiting coverage, but do they also work on behalf of those same kids they're writing about?

As of Thursday morning, Butler says the last time he had checked, only three people have signed up.

Asked how such a service can mesh with running a non-profit, Butler replied, "I don't do it for the non-profit. I have two businesses."

Then his phone cut out.

After I called back, he says his other business is Life Training, which focuses on aiding the recruiting process as well as physically training athletes. He explained that Potential Players deals with more of the spiritual side and a summer tour he takes the players on. "People get confused," he said.

Right or wrong, it's easy to see why. The lines are getting really blurred here.

He says he patterned his summer tour off the programs Ted Ginn Sr. has done in Ohio. In the past two years, he has taken 25 of his protégés on two week-long tours in a rented 15-passenger van to some 20 states. Butler then spoke about the major impact he's had with his program (or is it programs?). "[it] is being on the phone with college coaches and giving them a true evaluation" of how good a prospect may be.

Bryce Brown is his case study. Butler goes on to talk about a recent call he got from a college coach who praised him on his work with the running back because, as the coach said, the toughest thing to do is to make a fast kid faster.

Butler adds the 215-pound Brown has gone from clocking a 4.43 40-yard dash to a 4.28. The running back also is trying to keep a low-profile at this point. "He's just chillin' right now," Butler says. "Just clearing his head and evaluating schools."

I asked if Butler checked with the NCAA or any other agency to make sure setting up the subscription service wouldn't put his players at risk of some eligibility issues. "I'm not worried about anybody saying anything," he answered. "The kids are not receiving any dollars from it. I'm not a kid. I'm the one benefiting. "Everything you do is criticized and scrutinized. You can't worry about that. I just worry about doing the right thing and making the right choices."

The sad reality of the boom in college recruiting is that street agents and talent brokers have sprung up all over the country in both basketball and football. Some are getting exploited and manipulated. Then again, some may also be exploiting and manipulating the system. It is confusing.

"People are just naturally suspicious," Butler says, before conceding that there have been some "bad apples" that have operated in youth basketball and football.

Can Butler operate his organization which, as he puts it, strives to get them to go FBS rather than to the county jail or the penitentiary, while also making some financial gain for himself? He then asks what is the difference since everyone else is profiting off the kids? The radio stations are. ESPN is. "There are numerous web sites who charge," he says, after they have interviewed him or his players. "I'm the one that does the work. I'm the one that's typing the stories. Obviously, I'm the one that should be getting paid."

He says people in California and Florida have been doing similar things for years, only he's just wearing five hats instead of two. He's also been getting a lot of calls from individuals looking to try and set up similar operations in their communities."