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How is Anderson a jerk?? This poster is right the guy held all the damn cards. Auburn is their own worst enemy at times.

I would say send a damn blank check to Anderson make him say NO. Tubby does not excite me I think he is a marginal coach.

Actually, I don't really see where wanting them to interview him in Birmingham is being an arrogant jerk. I can understand them wanting him to come down but it sounds to me like both sides were being a little stubborn. Problem is, Anderson held all the cards. He had a good job at UAB and offers from all over the country in his hip pocket. Auburn was in desperate need of a good coach willing to come in with sanctions about to hit. Guess who lost out?

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How is Anderson a jerk?? This poster is right the guy held all the damn cards. Auburn is their own worst enemy at times.

I would say send a damn blank check to Anderson make him say NO. Tubby does not excite me I think he is a marginal coach.

Actually, I don't really see where wanting them to interview him in Birmingham is being an arrogant jerk. I can understand them wanting him to come down but it sounds to me like both sides were being a little stubborn. Problem is, Anderson held all the cards. He had a good job at UAB and offers from all over the country in his hip pocket. Auburn was in desperate need of a good coach willing to come in with sanctions about to hit. Guess who lost out?

Your take on Tubby is somewhat fair. I'd say that he is a marginal recruiter and a great coach. He would be an upgrade on both counts for us, though.

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Auburn was not willing to meet on Anderson's terms. Pretty incompetent

Athletic Department at Auburn and now the basketball program is paying a signficant

price.

If the imagined "price" we are now paying is due to not caving in to the demands of an arrogant jerk, then I'm ok with that.

Actually, I don't really see where wanting them to interview him in Birmingham is being an arrogant jerk. I can understand them wanting him to come down but it sounds to me like both sides were being a little stubborn. Problem is, Anderson held all the cards. He had a good job at UAB and offers from all over the country in his hip pocket. Auburn was in desperate need of a good coach willing to come in with sanctions about to hit. Guess who lost out?

Like many of us, I followed the situation very closely at the time. Auburn was offering a job at Auburn. The final interviews were to be held at Auburn. If Anderson didn't want the job bad enough to drive down here from B'ham, he should have done exactly what he did and stayed in B'ham. I think we're better off without Mike Anderson.

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Screw Mike Anderson. He thought he was too good to drive from B'ham to Auburn to interview a few years ago. I don't want to see him have a 2nd chance.

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I have spent a reasonably long career involved with interviewing and hiring potential employees.

You may conduct a preliminary interview just about anywhere, but when you notify an applicant that he/she has been selected for a final round of interviews, that round is almost always conducted at the place of expected employment.

If, at that time, the potential employee refuses to go to the final interview without imposing some conditions, (in Anderson’s case not willing to come to Auburn unless he’d already been hired) that’s not just a red flag, it’s a deal-breaker.

The potential employee is trying to establish control, no matter that the employer is going to be signing the paychecks.

Do y’all not see where that goes? Anderson was expected to be Auburn’s employee and he was trying to tell his employer what to do. That ain’t how it works. The employer does the telling, the employee does the doing. Auburn was right to walk away from Anderson.

Would he have won more games than Lebo? Let’s just assume that he would have. Would it have been worth the trouble he'd have caused? I’m saying not.

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Meh. I think it's overblown. I don't think you can make direct comparisons to normal hiring situations. I especially don't think so when you have a highly sought after coach who's in the catbird seat being pursued by a school that has little to offer...not much basketball tradition to speak of, going on probation, weak facilities. It's more like if there was a hotshot CEO candidate out there who was fielding offers and one of the companies is on that is largely failing and needs someone to reverse their fortunes. You just might see the company coming to him rather than the other way around.

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a friend of mine suggested it to me, and after I thought about him, i think i'm ok with the idea:

Tubby Smith?

Not NO, but HELL FREAKIN' NO. Absolute NO WAY in HELL I want Tubby Smith at Auburn. He's a hack of a coach. He would set us further back than we already are and that boggles the mind. Tubby smith can't coach his way out of a paper bag. He's a joke of a coach.

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Not NO, but HELL FREAKIN' NO. Absolute NO WAY in HELL I want Tubby Smith at Auburn. He's a hack of a coach. He would set us further back than we already are and that boggles the mind. Tubby smith can't coach his way out of a paper bag. He's a joke of a coach.

I am in complete agreement with War Tiger on this one. The only more absurd choice would be Mike Davis. Hell I would rather keep Lebo then get Tubby Smith.

Tubby Smith?

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With all due respect this is rubbish. This is perhaps one of the worst posts I think I have ever seen.

Hiring for a corporation to some degree is very different then hiring for a coach.

First off Mike Anderson like him or not is a good coach with many options. Auburn is a horrible basketball program, with terrible facilities, little to no tradition, and horrible fan support. Auburn has NO negotiating power with Anderson. Let me repeat Auburn has NO negotiating power with Anderson. Anderson could get much much better jobs then Auburn. It a surprise he even gave Auburn the time of day. Let me translate you have a really good coach trying to be lured by a horrible program. Hell he should not even have to sell himself to Auburn if I am in his position Auburn damn sure would have had to sell them to me.

I would go so far as to say whatever Auburn offered Anderson he should have asked Auburn for more money. Hell any proven coach that Auburn offers this job to in the future should ask for more money they can always get a better job Auburn is one of the worst jobs in all of college basketball and all you have to do to get a great coach is meet him on his turf? I realize you say the employee is trying to control the situation but in fairness what the hell you think goes on with Saban and Alabama football?

So if we follow your logic if Roy Williams was on vacation in Australia but would listen to the Auburn offer if we sent representatives there

you would tell him to go f off??? I mean I know this is a hypothetical but you cannot be serious.

I mean whoever Auburn hires next if they have decent representation could just rake Auburn over the coals in contract negotiations and there is little Auburn could do about it.

I have spent a reasonably long career involved with interviewing and hiring potential employees.

You may conduct a preliminary interview just about anywhere, but when you notify an applicant that he/she has been selected for a final round of interviews, that round is almost always conducted at the place of expected employment.

If, at that time, the potential employee refuses to go to the final interview without imposing some conditions, (in Anderson’s case not willing to come to Auburn unless he’d already been hired) that’s not just a red flag, it’s a deal-breaker.

The potential employee is trying to establish control, no matter that the employer is going to be signing the paychecks.

Do y’all not see where that goes? Anderson was expected to be Auburn’s employee and he was trying to tell his employer what to do. That ain’t how it works. The employer does the telling, the employee does the doing. Auburn was right to walk away from Anderson.

Would he have won more games than Lebo? Let’s just assume that he would have. Would it have been worth the trouble he'd have caused? I’m saying not.

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Terrible facilities? In the Fall of 2010? :no:

Sonny Smith had quite a bit of success at Auburn. Cliff had a decent run. Good coaches can win at Auburn. And the facilities next year will be on par with most anyone we compete with.

With all due respect this is rubbish. This is perhaps one of the worst posts I think I have ever seen.

Hiring for a corporation to some degree is very different then hiring for a coach.

First off Mike Anderson like him or not is a good coach with many options. Auburn is a horrible basketball program, with terrible facilities, little to no tradition, and horrible fan support. Auburn has NO negotiating power with Anderson. Let me repeat Auburn has NO negotiating power with Anderson. Anderson could get much much better jobs then Auburn. It a surprise he even gave Auburn the time of day. Let me translate you have a really good coach trying to be lured by a horrible program. Hell he should not even have to sell himself to Auburn if I am in his position Auburn damn sure would have had to sell them to me.

I would go so far as to say whatever Auburn offered Anderson he should have asked Auburn for more money. Hell any proven coach that Auburn offers this job to in the future should ask for more money they can always get a better job Auburn is one of the worst jobs in all of college basketball and all you have to do to get a great coach is meet him on his turf? I realize you say the employee is trying to control the situation but in fairness what the hell you think goes on with Saban and Alabama football?

So if we follow your logic if Roy Williams was on vacation in Australia but would listen to the Auburn offer if we sent representatives there

you would tell him to go f off??? I mean I know this is a hypothetical but you cannot be serious.

I mean whoever Auburn hires next if they have decent representation could just rake Auburn over the coals in contract negotiations and there is little Auburn could do about it.

I have spent a reasonably long career involved with interviewing and hiring potential employees.

You may conduct a preliminary interview just about anywhere, but when you notify an applicant that he/she has been selected for a final round of interviews, that round is almost always conducted at the place of expected employment.

If, at that time, the potential employee refuses to go to the final interview without imposing some conditions, (in Anderson’s case not willing to come to Auburn unless he’d already been hired) that’s not just a red flag, it’s a deal-breaker.

The potential employee is trying to establish control, no matter that the employer is going to be signing the paychecks.

Do y’all not see where that goes? Anderson was expected to be Auburn’s employee and he was trying to tell his employer what to do. That ain’t how it works. The employer does the telling, the employee does the doing. Auburn was right to walk away from Anderson.

Would he have won more games than Lebo? Let’s just assume that he would have. Would it have been worth the trouble he'd have caused? I’m saying not.

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I was speaking at the time of Mike Anderson prior to the building of the new arena keep that in mind.

Terrible facilities? In the Fall of 2010? :no:

Sonny Smith had quite a bit of success at Auburn. Cliff had a decent run. Good coaches can win at Auburn. And the facilities next year will be on par with most anyone we compete with.

With all due respect this is rubbish. This is perhaps one of the worst posts I think I have ever seen.

Hiring for a corporation to some degree is very different then hiring for a coach.

First off Mike Anderson like him or not is a good coach with many options. Auburn is a horrible basketball program, with terrible facilities, little to no tradition, and horrible fan support. Auburn has NO negotiating power with Anderson. Let me repeat Auburn has NO negotiating power with Anderson. Anderson could get much much better jobs then Auburn. It a surprise he even gave Auburn the time of day. Let me translate you have a really good coach trying to be lured by a horrible program. Hell he should not even have to sell himself to Auburn if I am in his position Auburn damn sure would have had to sell them to me.

I would go so far as to say whatever Auburn offered Anderson he should have asked Auburn for more money. Hell any proven coach that Auburn offers this job to in the future should ask for more money they can always get a better job Auburn is one of the worst jobs in all of college basketball and all you have to do to get a great coach is meet him on his turf? I realize you say the employee is trying to control the situation but in fairness what the hell you think goes on with Saban and Alabama football?

So if we follow your logic if Roy Williams was on vacation in Australia but would listen to the Auburn offer if we sent representatives there

you would tell him to go f off??? I mean I know this is a hypothetical but you cannot be serious.

I mean whoever Auburn hires next if they have decent representation could just rake Auburn over the coals in contract negotiations and there is little Auburn could do about it.

I have spent a reasonably long career involved with interviewing and hiring potential employees.

You may conduct a preliminary interview just about anywhere, but when you notify an applicant that he/she has been selected for a final round of interviews, that round is almost always conducted at the place of expected employment.

If, at that time, the potential employee refuses to go to the final interview without imposing some conditions, (in Anderson’s case not willing to come to Auburn unless he’d already been hired) that’s not just a red flag, it’s a deal-breaker.

The potential employee is trying to establish control, no matter that the employer is going to be signing the paychecks.

Do y’all not see where that goes? Anderson was expected to be Auburn’s employee and he was trying to tell his employer what to do. That ain’t how it works. The employer does the telling, the employee does the doing. Auburn was right to walk away from Anderson.

Would he have won more games than Lebo? Let’s just assume that he would have. Would it have been worth the trouble he'd have caused? I’m saying not.

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Auburn has NO negotiating power with Anderson. Let me repeat Auburn has NO negotiating power with Anderson. Anderson could get much much better jobs then Auburn. It a surprise he even gave Auburn the time of day.

Anderson didn't want the job bad enough to drive from B'ham to Auburn. Never hire somebody that doesn't want the job you are offering. Auburn did the right thing by looking elsewhere. It's that simple.

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Auburn has NO negotiating power with Anderson. Let me repeat Auburn has NO negotiating power with Anderson. Anderson could get much much better jobs then Auburn. It a surprise he even gave Auburn the time of day.

Anderson didn't want the job bad enough to drive from B'ham to Auburn. Never hire somebody that doesn't want the job you are offering. Auburn did the right thing by looking elsewhere. It's that simple.

Auburn didn't want a superior coaching candidate to the one we got, who was being pursued by programs all over the country, enough to drive up to B'ham from Auburn. In retrospect, I don't think we did the right thing.

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You really think we should have hired a guy that thumbed his nose at us, said, in effect "hell no I won't drive down there for your crappy job"?

If somebody acts like that before you hire him, what can you expect after he's on board? I wouldn't touch him with a ten-foot pole.

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You really think we should have hired a guy that thumbed his nose at us, said, in effect "hell no I won't drive down there for your crappy job"?

If somebody acts like that before you hire him, what can you expect after he's on board? I wouldn't touch him with a ten-foot pole.

I think you're indulging in a bit of overinterpretation. Sorry, I just have a different opinion on the matter.

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I like the bashing of Anderson do you guys not think that he wanted to know he had a job lined up before he bailed on

UAB????? Sounds like the class thing to do not burn bridges with your current employer till you know you already have a future one lined up. He did not want to go Bob Petrino it shows some class.

Secondly If i was a betting man I would bet the farm damn Lebo is back next year just a hunch. I have little faith in this administration conducting a competent coaching search especially for basketball.

Auburn could have hired Mike Anderson or the coach at OU his name escapes me at the moment but we get Lebo a guy who has never taken a team to the tournament. Not to go crude but its akin to the use virgins to make your next porno that makes as much sense as hiring a guy who has never been to the tournament to take you there.

I know how I would conduct this search send a blank check and say name the price to the top candidates and try to get a guy who is already a proven winner. If you could prove he would run a clean program Tim Floyd would be a good hire but at least if you dont hit a homerun strike out trying.

Unlike prior coaching searches Auburn has some leverage now with the new areana and facilities.

Hell I will throw one more name out I like Frank Martin at Kansas State. I do wonder if he runs a clean program

but one can reason if you can win in Manhatten you can win at Auburn.

The question is: what are we going to do now?

Allow teams to score 40 points in 10 minutes?

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Limp to the offseason.

Allow teams to score 40 points in 10 minutes?

:rolleyes:

Thread title is: New Coach..Candidates..Feel Free to Weigh In

Now, we can moan and groan about past hiring mistakes. Tangents are often fun. Productive? Not often.

Auburn Basketball this season is toast. I could say, Thank God for Baseball. And Thank God for Football. That helps me feel better for now, but not Auburn Basketball next year and in the future. Do we keep Lebo? Do we make a change? If so, who will it be?

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I don't know if Auburn can get a current successful major conference coach that's currently on fire.

They have have a better chance of getting a successful mid-major coach.

When Cliff Ellis was hired at Auburn, he spent 10 seasons at Clemson. His final 4 seasons at Clemson:

1990-91 11-17 (2-12)

1991-92 14-14 (4-12)

1992-93 17-13 (5-11) NIT

1993-94 18-16 (6-10) NIT

He obviously did have success at South Alabama and Clemson, but when he was hired at Auburn in April of 94, he wasn't necessarily a hot coach.

Tommy Joe Eagles came to Auburn from La Tech.

Lebo came from a mid-major.

Sure Auburn can look at any coach they want, but unless they get real lucky, they'll have to go strong after a hot mid-major or a major conference coach who's had modest success(NIT or an appearance in the NCAA every once in a while).

I'd have to agree with a candidate that AUgrad00 mentioned.

Scott Drew, who is currently at Baylor would make a decent candidate.

He's taken them to 1 NCAA Tournament appearance. He beat Auburn in the NIT last year. Currently, their record is 21-6 (8-5). The program was in very bad shape when he arrived. Worse than Auburn was when Lebo arrived.

He was also an assistant at Valparaiso. His brother was the one who hit the shot at the buzzer to beat Ole Miss in the NCAA Tournament in 98.

Drew graduated from Butler.

Also agree about Herb Sendek

A choice I know that won't get any consideration would be Wes Flanigan. He's been an assistant at a few places, but hasn't blown anyone away with his results.

He's currently an assistant with UAB

He was an assistant at Arkansas Little Rock of the Sunbelt Conference.

He was an assistant at a Junior College in Mississippi.

He graduated and played at Auburn. His Senior year was the 1996-97 season.

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The question is: what are we going to do now?

Jay Jacobs gets paid to figure that out. I just want to gripe about the situation. :roflol:

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I don't know if Auburn can get a current successful major conference coach that's currently on fire.

They have have a better chance of getting a successful mid-major coach.

When Cliff Ellis was hired at Auburn, he spent 10 seasons at Clemson. His final 4 seasons at Clemson:

1990-91 11-17 (2-12)

1991-92 14-14 (4-12)

1992-93 17-13 (5-11) NIT

1993-94 18-16 (6-10) NIT

He obviously did have success at South Alabama and Clemson, but when he was hired at Auburn in April of 94, he wasn't necessarily a hot coach.

Tommy Joe Eagles came to Auburn from La Tech.

Lebo came from a mid-major.

Sure Auburn can look at any coach they want, but unless they get real lucky, they'll have to go strong after a hot mid-major or a major conference coach who's had modest success(NIT or an appearance in the NCAA every once in a while).

I'd have to agree with a candidate that AUgrad00 mentioned.

Scott Drew, who is currently at Baylor would make a decent candidate.

He's taken them to 1 NCAA Tournament appearance. He beat Auburn in the NIT last year. Currently, their record is 21-6 (8-5). The program was in very bad shape when he arrived. Worse than Auburn was when Lebo arrived.

He was also an assistant at Valparaiso. His brother was the one who hit the shot at the buzzer to beat Ole Miss in the NCAA Tournament in 98.

Drew graduated from Butler.

Also agree about Herb Sendek

A choice I know that won't get any consideration would be Wes Flanigan. He's been an assistant at a few places, but hasn't blown anyone away with his results.

He's currently an assistant with UAB

He was an assistant at Arkansas Little Rock of the Sunbelt Conference.

He was an assistant at a Junior College in Mississippi.

He graduated and played at Auburn. His Senior year was the 1996-97 season.

I'm tired of settling for unknown quantities. I realize we're not going to steal Coach K or Tom Izzo, but I'm ready for us to pony up and get a guy that has demonstrated success, not just someone with potential who we can lowball.

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I don't know if Auburn can get a current successful major conference coach that's currently on fire.

They have have a better chance of getting a successful mid-major coach.

When Cliff Ellis was hired at Auburn, he spent 10 seasons at Clemson. His final 4 seasons at Clemson:

1990-91 11-17 (2-12)

1991-92 14-14 (4-12)

1992-93 17-13 (5-11) NIT

1993-94 18-16 (6-10) NIT

He obviously did have success at South Alabama and Clemson, but when he was hired at Auburn in April of 94, he wasn't necessarily a hot coach.

Tommy Joe Eagles came to Auburn from La Tech.

Lebo came from a mid-major.

Sure Auburn can look at any coach they want, but unless they get real lucky, they'll have to go strong after a hot mid-major or a major conference coach who's had modest success(NIT or an appearance in the NCAA every once in a while).

I'd have to agree with a candidate that AUgrad00 mentioned.

Scott Drew, who is currently at Baylor would make a decent candidate.

He's taken them to 1 NCAA Tournament appearance. He beat Auburn in the NIT last year. Currently, their record is 21-6 (8-5). The program was in very bad shape when he arrived. Worse than Auburn was when Lebo arrived.

He was also an assistant at Valparaiso. His brother was the one who hit the shot at the buzzer to beat Ole Miss in the NCAA Tournament in 98.

Drew graduated from Butler.

Also agree about Herb Sendek

A choice I know that won't get any consideration would be Wes Flanigan. He's been an assistant at a few places, but hasn't blown anyone away with his results.

He's currently an assistant with UAB

He was an assistant at Arkansas Little Rock of the Sunbelt Conference.

He was an assistant at a Junior College in Mississippi.

He graduated and played at Auburn. His Senior year was the 1996-97 season.

I'm tired of settling for unknown quantities. I realize we're not going to steal Coach K or Tom Izzo, but I'm ready for us to pony up and get a guy that has demonstrated success, not just someone with potential who we can lowball.

Sure, I get what you're saying.

Drew is almost 40 years old.

2003–2004 8-21 (3-13)

2004–2005 9-19 (1-15)

2005–2006 4-13 (4-12)

2006–2007 15-16 (4-12)

2007–2008 21-11 (9-7) NCAA First Round

2008–2009 24-15 (5-11) NIT Runner-up

2009–2010 22-6 (9-5)

Herb Sendek has coached 3 different teams to the NCAA.

Miami Ohio

North Carolina State

Arizona State

He's 47 years old.

Miami Ohio

1993–1994 19-11 (12-6) NIT 1st Round

1994–1995 23-7 (16-2) NCAA 2nd Round

1995–1996 21-8 (12-6) NIT 1st Round

North Carolina State

1996–1997 17-15 (4-12) NIT 2nd Round

1997-1998 17-15 (5-11) NIT 2nd Round

1998–1999 19-14 (6-10) NIT 2nd Round

1999–2000 20-14 (6-10) NIT 4th Place

2000–2001 13-16 (5-11) none

2001–2002 23-11 (9-7) NCAA 2nd Round

2002–2003 18-13 (9-7) NCAA 1st Round

2003–2004 21-10 (11-5) NCAA 2nd Round

2004–2005 21-14 (7-9) NCAA Sweet 16

2005–2006 22-10 (10-6) NCAA 2nd Round

Arizona State

2006–2007 8-22 (2-16) none

2007–2008 21-12 (9-9) NIT Quarterfinals

2008–2009 25-10 (11-7) NCAA 2nd Round

2009–2010 20-8 (10-5)

Brad Stevens you mentioned is a good candidate. 33 years old. Buter graduate. Butler coach. Maybe he'll look for a change. He will have coached them to 3 straight NCAA appearances. This year will probably be as far as he can take them. Heck, he could leave them, go coach at a couple of different places and still be young enough to go back and retire at Butler if he wanted to.

Maybe this is apples and oranges.

Bowden we hired from Division 1-AA

Tuberville had alot of potential with his assistant stints and having winning seasons at Ole Miss.

Chizik had to prove to alot of people that he was worthy of the hire.

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a friend of mine suggested it to me, and after I thought about him, i think i'm ok with the idea:

Tubby Smith?

Not NO, but HELL FREAKIN' NO. Absolute NO WAY in HELL I want Tubby Smith at Auburn. He's a hack of a coach. He would set us further back than we already are and that boggles the mind. Tubby smith can't coach his way out of a paper bag. He's a joke of a coach.

War Tiger,

That was quite possibly the dumbest post I have ever seen on the AUNation basketball forum. A short list of Tubby Smith's accomplishments.

15 NCAA appearances in 18 seasons as a head coach with 4 different teams (Tulsa, Georgia, UK, Minnesota), almost double the number of times Auburn has made the tourney all time (8)

Of the 15 NCAA appearances, his teams went to at least the sweet 16 on nine different occasions - Auburn has been to the sweet sixteen 3 times

Of the 9 sweet 16 appearances, his teams advanced to the elite 8 four different times - Auburn has 1 elite 8 appearance

1 of those elite 8 appearances led to a final 4 (auburn has 0) and a national championship

7 regular season conference championships (2 MVC, 5 SEC) - Auburn has 2 all time

5 SEC tourney titles in 12 years coaching in the league - Auburn has 1 all time

16 20+ win seasons in 18 years as head coach with 4 different teams - Don't know that Auburn has had many more if as many 20 win seasons. 2 of those seasons were 30+ win seasons (I know Auburn has never had that)

He went 139-53 in SEC play over a 12 year span and 308-102 overall and never once missed the NCAA tourney (this includes his time at UGA - a football school like Auburn). In 77 years plus of SEC play, Auburn has 546 conference wins. This means Tubby Smith won 1/4 of the amount of SEC games Auburn has in 1/7 the amount of time. Almost on pace to double us up.

In his 10 year run at UK, they were 120-40 in conference play. That's an average of 12-4 per season for you non math majors out there. Auburn might have won 12 conference games 5 times.

We won't even mention his head to head record against Auburn. Suffice it to say his teams wiped their asses with us on a regular basis.

Yes, it is clear that Tubby Smith couldn't coach his way out of a paper bag :rolleyes: . His team may be struggling this season, but to say Tubby Smith is a hack of a coach is just plain stupid.

If Auburn were ever lucky enough to bring in a class act and winner like Tubby, every Auburn basketball fan should feel like they just won the Georgia powerball lottery.

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