RunInRed 16,438 Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 This made me chuckle... Nick Saban: "Quite a bit written about oversigning, but everyone who has left this program has created his own exit route."@cecilhurt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quietfan 233 Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 This made me chuckle... Nick Saban: "Quite a bit written about oversigning, but everyone who has left this program has created his own exit route."@cecilhurt Question: Is Nicky working on his own "exit route" (...cough.."Titans"..cough) also? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcgufcm 4,107 Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 He didn't say why they were looking for an exit route. Also, left open the idea that they were given lots of "help" finding said route. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quietfan 233 Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 Well, if I had to work or play for Saban, I'd be looking for an exit route! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNewby 27 Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 Saban has never met a loophole he didn't exploit. The dirty rotten double-talking scoundrel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rtftiger 40 Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 Saban has never met a loophole he didn't exploit. The dirty rotten double-talking scoundrel. It's so obvious, and it drives me mad that no one (not even Fbomb) will acknowledge this double talk. I watched a 15 minute segment of Saban's press conference from yesterday. The segment begins with him decrying those who use early playing time as a recruiting tool. He goes on for about three minutes, saying that it doesn't take into account the player's long term well being. At Alabama, they ask where they want to be in three years: what kind of person, what kind of student, what kind of player, yada yada, yada. Further, it downgrades the players who are already on the team. Then, with about five minutes left in the segment, someone asks about the offensive line. Saban takes this opportunity to open plea for a "long-term solution" at left tackle. In between these two statements, he finds time to make fun of a media member (of course, that goes without saying). I'd put the link, but it's now premium material. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cehuff21 0 Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 Saban is an exit route if you know what I mean ----> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McWeagle 4 Posted February 4, 2011 Share Posted February 4, 2011 Mandel w/ the full text and his thoughts: We have some people that could not finish the season that will probably not be able to continue to play, that will be replaced, and we have several players that can graduate and may not come back for their fifth year, who have been redshirted. When you add all those things up, plus guys we have that may not qualify, it is not fair to criticize the numbers.By "not able to continue to play," Saban is referring to players who have suffered injuries so severe they might be granted medical hardships. Those players maintain their scholarships to the school but are no longer part of the team. Saban has done this with at least 12 players during his four years in Tuscaloosa, which raises red flags considering Ohio State's Jim Tressel, for example, has placed just four players on hardship scholarships in his entire 10-year tenure. Do Alabama players suffer debilitating injuries at a far greater rate than Ohio State players? Not likely. It's also worth revisiting one particular word from that last Saban excerpt: "replaced." Aging NFL veterans get replaced. Defective car batteries get replaced. But washed-up student athletes? Even Bear Bryant finds that a bit callous. Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/stewart_mandel/02/04/saban-oversigning/index.html#ixzz1D0wDfiuF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RunInRed 16,438 Posted February 4, 2011 Author Share Posted February 4, 2011 Mandel w/ the full text and his thoughts: We have some people that could not finish the season that will probably not be able to continue to play, that will be replaced, and we have several players that can graduate and may not come back for their fifth year, who have been redshirted. When you add all those things up, plus guys we have that may not qualify, it is not fair to criticize the numbers.By "not able to continue to play," Saban is referring to players who have suffered injuries so severe they might be granted medical hardships. Those players maintain their scholarships to the school but are no longer part of the team. Saban has done this with at least 12 players during his four years in Tuscaloosa, which raises red flags considering Ohio State's Jim Tressel, for example, has placed just four players on hardship scholarships in his entire 10-year tenure. Do Alabama players suffer debilitating injuries at a far greater rate than Ohio State players? Not likely. It's also worth revisiting one particular word from that last Saban excerpt: "replaced." Aging NFL veterans get replaced. Defective car batteries get replaced. But washed-up student athletes? Even Bear Bryant finds that a bit callous. Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/stewart_mandel/02/04/saban-oversigning/index.html#ixzz1D0wDfiuF Calling the BS what it is. Good article. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiger88 934 Posted February 5, 2011 Share Posted February 5, 2011 Nick Saban is a prick with no conscious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sntemp 0 Posted February 6, 2011 Share Posted February 6, 2011 I guess now that CK has made his choice Saban will be looking for another candidate to "create his own exit route" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nanatiger 3 Posted February 6, 2011 Share Posted February 6, 2011 My 2 cents: I'm a parent and a grandparent. I would not want any child or grandchild of mine to play for a Nick Saban, in any sport. Obviously he's a good salesman, but I don't understand why parents don't do a little research and find out what he's really doing. I guess they all think he won't do it to their kid. Someday it - winning at any cost - will catch up with him, just like it did with Pete Carroll. Then we'll find out what his "exit route" is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Proud Tiger 4,261 Posted February 7, 2011 Share Posted February 7, 2011 I only hope I happen to be in Tuscaloosa the day bammers topple Saban's statue like people did the one of Sadaam Hussein in Bagdad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nanatiger 3 Posted February 7, 2011 Share Posted February 7, 2011 I only hope I happen to be in Tuscaloosa the day bammers topple Saban's statue like people did the one of Sadaam Hussein in Bagdad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LegalEagle 22 Posted May 18, 2011 Share Posted May 18, 2011 Here's a good article on over signing. It mentions Little Nickie. http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/story/13727507/bad-guys-utilize-oversigning-and-it-has-to-stop?x=1 Bad guys utilize over-signing, and it has to stop By Gregg Doyel CBSSports.com National Columnist Aug. 8, 2010Tell Gregg your opinion! LSU football coach Les Miles is a bad guy -- literally, a subspecies of human being -- but make no mistake about this: I'm not calling him a cheater. Miles is a bad guy, but he's a bad guy with the official approval of the NCAA. Les Miles is one of several coaches who have no problem hiding behind the NCAA rulebook to work around the 'Houston Nutt Rule.' (Getty Images) So I guess I'm calling the NCAA a bad guy as well. But that fits, seeing how the NCAA won't let college prospects eat a cheeseburger under certain conditions -- but will let Isiah Thomas be on the New York Knicks' payroll as a consultant while also coaching the Florida International basketball team. The NCAA is made up of a lot of people, men and women, who are smart and kind and classy -- but as a whole, the NCAA is full of crap. Which brings me back to Les Miles, who's so full of crap he needs a full-body enema. A bad guy, I'm telling you, and in a minute I'll tell you why. And when I'm done, you'll agree with me. But don't get smug over there, fans of Miami or Ole Miss or Alabama. Your coach is a bad guy, too. Randy Shannon? Honest as he can be, but a bad guy. Houston Nutt? Not sure how honest he is. Positive he's despicable. Nick Saban? He follows the NCAA rulebook to a 'T,' yet is two evolutionary stages below a lizard. All of them have run players off their team, and out of school, because the players were guilty of, well, nothing. The players were academically sound. They were solid citizens. But they were the odd man out after their coach -- Miles or Saban, Nutt or Shannon -- signed too many players and had to go all grim reaper on someone. At LSU, Les Miles went grim reaper this year on three different someones -- none more appallingly than Elliott Porter. Porter is a freshman offensive lineman from Waggaman, La., who signed with LSU in February, qualified academically, reported to summer school in June and started taking classes. After two months as a member of the LSU football family, Porter was summoned last week from his dorm room to Les Miles' office to hear that he wasn't part of the family anymore. Sorry, son. You're out. The NCAA allows a team to add 25 scholarship freshmen, and LSU had gone over that limit. Someone had to go, and that someone was Elliott Porter. Miles is getting good at this. In March, when he first started to suspect that he had signed too many players -- he intentionally went over the 25-signee limit, assuming several would fail to qualify -- Miles took away the scholarship of linebacker Houston Bates, who went to Illinois. Last month, still needing to whittle down to get his overall roster to the NCAA-allowed maximum of 85 scholarship players, Miles cut redshirt freshman quarterback Chris Garrett. That slash of his scythe was especially galling, seeing how one year earlier Miles had talked Garrett out of his oral commitment to Mississippi State. Last week Garrett, after being screwed out of two SEC schools by Les Miles, transferred to Northwestern State. I don't know what NCAA division that school is in. Not even sure what state it's in. All I know for sure is this: Les Miles is a bad guy. So is Houston Nutt. He's the worst serial offender of this trend known as over-signing. Sounds almost harmless, doesn't it? Over-signing? The "solution" also has a nice little sound to it: a grayshirt. A grayshirt, technically, is a player who doesn't get a scholarship for whatever reason, but has an agreement with the coaching staff that if he stays on campus for a semester, or even a year, he will get his scholarship eventually. Sounds civil, doesn't it? Never mind that the player was promised a scholarship and then he turned down other schools -- and other scholarships -- to sign with a team that, oops, didn't have a scholarship for him after all. Nutt's the worst. The NCAA allows 25 scholarship freshmen to report in the fall, but Nutt found a way around that. He'd sign well over 25, and then figure out which losers to cut loose. Two years ago he signed 37 recruits, binging on high school kids like a drunk binges on beer, and that was enough. The SEC passed what is known in coaching circles as "The Houston Nutt Rule," limiting its schools to 28 signees. That's a start, but it's still not good enough. Bad men like Les Miles and Nick Saban will binge by signing those 28 players, then purge the excess. Saban has had to get rid of people every year he's been at Alabama, worst of all in 2008 when he signed 32 players -- again, the NCAA allows only 25 to report on scholarship -- and was saved, if you want to call it that, when some of his players were arrested or injured or run off the team by Saban himself. Last year Saban grayshirted three freshmen. This year he limited himself to only one, tight end Harrison Jones. For that, Saban deserves applause. Just like you'd applaud a seventh-grade bully who beat up three little kids yesterday but cut back to one bleeding first-grader today. At Miami, meanwhile, Randy Shannon added two sensational late signees -- two of the best 15 recruits in the country, defensive back Latwan Anderson of Glenville, Ohio, and offensive tackle Seantrel Henderson of St. Paul, Minn. -- but found himself over the 85-player limit. So he cut senior defensive end Steven Wesley, who had redshirted as a freshman at the coaching staff's request and then had his fifth-year senior season taken away ... just because. Because "The U" added Anderson and Henderson. Because Shannon couldn't make the numbers work without getting creative with his scalpel and removing Steven Wesley like a benign tumor. This has to stop. The rest of the country has adopted the SEC's "Houston Nutt Rule" limiting teams to 28 signed players, but that's still three too many if only 25 scholarship players are allowed to report to campus -- and if the solution to the dilemma is what happened to Elliott Porter. In his dorm room. On campus. Lifting weights and taking classes. Called into Les Miles' office and told to go home. It's indefensible, and it ought to be illegal. Next time it happens, I don't want to call Les Miles a bad man. I want to call him a cheater. For more from Gregg Doyel, check him out on Twitter: @greggdoyelcbs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FootballFanatic 4 Posted July 26, 2011 Share Posted July 26, 2011 I think the student athelete being released to make room for new players is getting way out of hand in the SEC particularly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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