Obama Administration ran guns from Benghazi to Syria

[Proud Tiger 4,261]

A couple at least have said they were read to go, and yet didn't. The admin knew, in real time, what was going on, and chose to do nothing. Later, it said this attack was about a video, when it knew conclusively that it was not , but ran w/ that story anyway.

There was ample reason for CYA mode, and if you can't see that, then I'm wasting my time.

Who is "a couple?" It really is a simple question.

And CYA is EXACTLY what it is. It started with blaming it on a video, sending Susan Rice to lie on Sunday news shows, and went downhill from there. Kind of like Obama having Bergdahl's parents to the WH and declaring him a loyal soldier. But to each his own opinion. Maybe the whole truth will come out someday.

First of all, I've heard a couple, sorry, forget names, rank and status, but they said absolutely we had assets read to go.

Second, not only did Obama call Bergdahl a 'loyal soldier' but Susan Rice said he served w/ " honor and distinction ".

See how it goes ? They say it, and some of the gullible dumb-masses buy it, end of story.

Like jobs " saved and created " , which is a completely fictional , made up and unchartable metric, which really sells well to the focus group types. But that's yet another story.

This disparaging of my military is getting tiring.

Your military? I knew you had a huge ego but geez. It is NOT your military. It is OUR military. And I don't see anyoneone here pointing fingers at OUR military. Get over yourself.

The fact that you can't see what's happening is why I don't consider you a Vet.

Well you either voluntarily deleted it the last time you said that or got it removed for you. Just typical of your MO of being insulting when someone disagrees with you. In any event I could not care less if you of all people consider me a vet.

[AURaptor 1,125]

“…we have identified the forces that could move to Benghazi. They are spinning up as we speak…” Jeremy Bash, U.S. DOD Chief of Staff

[AUUSN 823]

“…we have identified the forces that could move to Benghazi. They are spinning up as we speak…” Jeremy Bash, U.S. DOD Chief of Staff

We did spin up an evacuate all personnel. That was the next day.

This isnt hard. You are purposely being deceptive. I asked what assets who could have stopped the attack on the TMF were told to stand down. You have provided none.

[AUUSN 823]

A couple at least have said they were read to go, and yet didn't. The admin knew, in real time, what was going on, and chose to do nothing. Later, it said this attack was about a video, when it knew conclusively that it was not , but ran w/ that story anyway.

There was ample reason for CYA mode, and if you can't see that, then I'm wasting my time.

Who is "a couple?" It really is a simple question.

And CYA is EXACTLY what it is. It started with blaming it on a video, sending Susan Rice to lie on Sunday news shows, and went downhill from there. Kind of like Obama having Bergdahl's parents to the WH and declaring him a loyal soldier. But to each his own opinion. Maybe the whole truth will come out someday.

First of all, I've heard a couple, sorry, forget names, rank and status, but they said absolutely we had assets read to go.

Second, not only did Obama call Bergdahl a 'loyal soldier' but Susan Rice said he served w/ " honor and distinction ".

See how it goes ? They say it, and some of the gullible dumb-masses buy it, end of story.

Like jobs " saved and created " , which is a completely fictional , made up and unchartable metric, which really sells well to the focus group types. But that's yet another story.

This disparaging of my military is getting tiring.

Your military? I knew you had a huge ego but geez. It is NOT your military. It is OUR military. And I don't see anyoneone here pointing fingers at OUR military. Get over yourself.

The fact that you can't see what's happening is why I don't consider you a Vet.

Well you either voluntarily deleted it the last time you said that or got it removed for you. Just typical of your MO of being insulting when someone disagrees with you. In any event I could not care less if you of all people consider me a vet.

You put politics before military. You are no Vet.

[AURaptor 1,125]

“…we have identified the forces that could move to Benghazi. They are spinning up as we speak…” Jeremy Bash, U.S. DOD Chief of Staff

We did spin up an evacuate all personnel. That was the next day.

This isnt hard. You are purposely being deceptive. I asked what assets who could have stopped the attack on the TMF were told to stand down. You have provided none.

Dunno. I'm a civilian and not privy to top secret info on where all our assets are. I just know we had them, and didn't use them.

[AUUSN 823]

“…we have identified the forces that could move to Benghazi. They are spinning up as we speak…” Jeremy Bash, U.S. DOD Chief of Staff

We did spin up an evacuate all personnel. That was the next day.

This isnt hard. You are purposely being deceptive. I asked what assets who could have stopped the attack on the TMF were told to stand down. You have provided none.

Dunno. I'm a civilian and not privy to top secret info on where all our assets are. I just know we had them, and didn't use them.

Then we are done here. You do need to adjust your tin foil hat though.

[AURaptor 1,125]

4 dead Americans, and this administration lied.

But hell, I must hate the military, huh?

( If there was no reason to lie, and they lied, then that tells me they're incompetent ,or really did have something to cover up. The excuse " things happen " doesn't hold water. There was more to Amb. Steven's trip than is being told, that much I do know )

[AUUSN 823]

WHAT DID THE MILITARY DO TO HELP?

Following the first report of trouble about 9:40 p.m. local time on Sept. 11, officials began looking for military planes that could head to Benghazi for evacuations. None would be available for hours.

An unmanned drone already in Libya was quickly sent to survey the situation at the diplomatic post. Nighttime darkness limited its usefulness.

Two military members — both from Special Forces — were in the six-man team that flew from Tripoli to Benghazi around midnight and aided with the defense and evacuation of the CIA base.

An Air Force C-17 transport plane flew the Benghazi evacuees from Tripoli to Germany the night of Sept. 12, about 24 hours after the attacks began.

A U.S. anti-terror team sent from Spain arrived in Tripoli after the evacuees had gone.

Two military teams — one in Croatia and the other in the U.S. — prepared to go but, as the situation changed, weren't brought to Libya. They would have arrived too late.

Not until the morning of Sept. 12 was the 31st Fighter Wing in Aviano, Italy, ordered to get four F-16 jets and four pilots ready to respond if needed. The call to Benghazi never came.

___

WHY DIDN'T THEY SCRAMBLE THE F-16 FIGHTERS?

Military leaders decided early on that jets armed with 500-pound bombs were unsuited for the chaotic crisis in an urban area.

"Ultimately, it was my decision that said no, not the right response in this circumstance," Ham said.

He didn't have anyone on the ground to provide target information for airstrikes. He didn't want to harm innocent people or risk inflaming more Libyans to join the attack. He believed some militants had missiles capable of downing a plane.

"Had I made a different decision, had strike aircraft deployed, we don't really know what the outcome would have been," Ham said. "Maybe it would have been positive, but maybe it would have got shot down. Maybe it would have killed civilians."

Brig. Gen. Scott Zobrist, then the wing commander at Aviano, had similar worries. He said that, even if called right away, it would have taken 20 hours to get jets to Benghazi from the base in Italy normally used for training flights.

Pilots would have to be recalled from their homes, bombs loaded onto planes, the 1,000-mile route planned. The jets would need refueling along the way, which meant coordinating with tanker planes stationed in England — something that typically takes days to plan.

___

COULD THE MILITARY HAVE DONE MORE?

Perhaps.

In hindsight, Ham said, he should have reached out to his Libyan contacts and other U.S. officials to get Americans evacuated from Benghazi faster. That might have saved the two lives that were lost hours after the first attack at the diplomatic post.

While the evacuation from Benghazi was being planned by the embassy and the CIA, Ham said, he switched his focus toward gearing up a possible hostage rescue mission, because the ambassador was still missing.

Meanwhile, surviving U.S. personnel were gathered at the CIA base in Benghazi. Ham said he believed they were relatively safe. He and other military leaders said they weren't told that the CIA compound already had come under gunfire and rocket-propelled grenade attacks in the middle of the night.

The U.S. security team that arrived at the Benghazi airport after midnight was detained by Libyan officials for several hours. That delayed the evacuation, Ham said, and "allowed sufficient time for the second attack to be organized and conducted."

During that attack, around 5 a.m., mortar fire killed two CIA security contractors on the roof and wounded other Americans.

Less than an hour later, the evacuation of all American personnel from Benghazi began.

http://www.newsmax.com/t/newsmax/article/582265

[AUUSN 823]

WAS A FOUR-MAN TEAM HEADED FOR BENGHAZI ORDERED TO STAND DOWN?

Technically, no, the team was not ordered, as some have asserted, to stand by as militants attacked Americans 600 miles away. But they were told not to go to Benghazi and instead to stay and protect personnel in Tripoli. In hindsight, the attacks were over by then, anyway.

The special operations officer leading that team and the commander who gave him the order both told investigators that it was the right decision.

The team, led by Gibson, was in Tripoli to help train Libyan special forces. When the Benghazi attack began, Gibson's first duty was to protect the embassy in Tripoli amid fears that it also would be targeted. He helped evacuate the staff to a classified, more-secure location. Once he felt they were safe on the morning of Sept. 12, Gibson was ready to rush to Benghazi to help.

One Libyan plane carrying a six-man U.S. security team already had taken off. Gibson wanted his group on the second chartered flight. He called the special operations command center for Africa to say they were heading to the airport.

He was told, "Don't go. Don't get on that plane."

"Initially, I was angry," he recalled. "Because a tactical commander doesn't like to have those decisions taken away from him. But then once I digested it a little bit, then I realized, OK, maybe there was something going on. Maybe I'm needed here for something else."

Rear Adm. Brian Losey, who gave the order, said he needed Gibson's team in Tripoli in case trouble started there.

Although some Republican lawmakers have suggested the team might have helped repel attackers in Benghazi, their flight would have arrived after the final assault that killed two CIA contractors.

Losey dismissed the notion that the foursome could have been much help in Benghazi, where Americans already were moving to the airfield for evacuation with the aid of Libyan forces and the U.S. security team from the first plane. Losey noted that Gibson's group consisted of a communications specialist, a medic and a weapons operator with his foot in a cast.

"That's not a security team," Losey said. Sending them in "didn't make a lot of sense."

Gibson said if his group had flown to Benghazi, their flight would have crossed paths with the first plane as it returned bearing wounded Americans. Because they stayed, his medic was there to meet two seriously injured people at the Tripoli airport. The medic is credited with saving one's life.

___

RIGHT OR WRONG, WASN'T THAT AN ORDER TO "STAND DOWN"?

Not according to Losey and Gibson.

Civilians might say that Losey ordered Gibson to stand down from his race to the scene. But Losey and Gibson say in their military parlance, standing down means ceasing operations.

"It was not a stand-down order," Gibson said. "It was not, 'Hey, time for everybody to go to bed.' It was, you know, 'Don't go. Don't get on that plane. Remain in place.'"

"It was never an order to stand down," Losey said. "It was an order to remain in place and continue to provide your security role in Tripoli."

___

DID CLINTON GIVE A "STAND DOWN" ORDER, AS SOME REPUBLICANS HAVE THEORIZED?

"No," said Losey.

"I never received any orders from the secretary of state or heard of any orders from the secretary of state," said Leidig, also based in Stuttgart, Germany.

"No," said Ham, who commanded the Africa operations. "And we would not receive direct communications from the secretary of state."

Ham said no one else ordered him to stand down, either, and no one tried to stop him from helping the Americans in Benghazi any way he could.

"The conversation really was more along lines of, you know, 'What do you need? What can we do?'" he said. "And every request for forces that I asked of the secretary of defense was approved."

[homersapien 11,373]

“…we have identified the forces that could move to Benghazi. They are spinning up as we speak…” Jeremy Bash, U.S. DOD Chief of Staff

We did spin up an evacuate all personnel. That was the next day.

This isnt hard. You are purposely being deceptive. I asked what assets who could have stopped the attack on the TMF were told to stand down. You have provided none.

Dunno. I'm a civilian and not privy to top secret info on where all our assets are. I just know we had them, and didn't use them.

Raptor the omnipotent. :-\

[TexasTiger 12,876]

4 dead Americans, and some ( expletive deleteds ) think it's funny.

No one thinks that's funny. Some only see it as a opportunity to score political points.

[AUUSN 823]

“…we have identified the forces that could move to Benghazi. They are spinning up as we speak…” Jeremy Bash, U.S. DOD Chief of Staff

We did spin up an evacuate all personnel. That was the next day.

This isnt hard. You are purposely being deceptive. I asked what assets who could have stopped the attack on the TMF were told to stand down. You have provided none.

Dunno. I'm a civilian and not privy to top secret info on where all our assets are. I just know we had them, and didn't use them.

Raptor the omnipotent. :-\

Never been to Middle East. Never been in the military. Probably never done a lot of things but he just knows.

Only thing he knows is how to increase his post count on a sports forum.

[icanthearyou 4,463]

"Dunno. I'm a civilian and not privy to top secret info on where all our assets are. I just know we had them, and didn't use them."

LOL!!!!!!!!!!! I have no facts or details but, I am absolutely certain. I believe this to be the new benchmark for stupidity.

[Guest NC1406]

When absolute terminology such as no "military assets" were given a "stand down" order you really need to take the terms at their exact meaning. This wording is used to be truthful in testimony without compromising any shortcomings that may have occurred. The facts at the level of the conflict are probably contradictory even for the operators involved (even if they were not military). Fact is our preparation and response to this situation sucked.

[Proud Tiger 4,261]

A couple at least have said they were read to go, and yet didn't. The admin knew, in real time, what was going on, and chose to do nothing. Later, it said this attack was about a video, when it knew conclusively that it was not , but ran w/ that story anyway.

There was ample reason for CYA mode, and if you can't see that, then I'm wasting my time.

Who is "a couple?" It really is a simple question.

And CYA is EXACTLY what it is. It started with blaming it on a video, sending Susan Rice to lie on Sunday news shows, and went downhill from there. Kind of like Obama having Bergdahl's parents to the WH and declaring him a loyal soldier. But to each his own opinion. Maybe the whole truth will come out someday.

First of all, I've heard a couple, sorry, forget names, rank and status, but they said absolutely we had assets read to go.

Second, not only did Obama call Bergdahl a 'loyal soldier' but Susan Rice said he served w/ " honor and distinction ".

See how it goes ? They say it, and some of the gullible dumb-masses buy it, end of story.

Like jobs " saved and created " , which is a completely fictional , made up and unchartable metric, which really sells well to the focus group types. But that's yet another story.

This disparaging of my military is getting tiring.

Your military? I knew you had a huge ego but geez. It is NOT your military. It is OUR military. And I don't see anyoneone here pointing fingers at OUR military. Get over yourself.

The fact that you can't see what's happening is why I don't consider you a Vet.

Well you either voluntarily deleted it the last time you said that or got it removed for you. Just typical of your MO of being insulting when someone disagrees with you. In any event I could not care less if you of all people consider me a vet.

You put politics before military. You are no Vet.

After all your yada yada holier than thou mini lectures you are still FOS. You are no Auburn man.

[AUUSN 823]

A couple at least have said they were read to go, and yet didn't. The admin knew, in real time, what was going on, and chose to do nothing. Later, it said this attack was about a video, when it knew conclusively that it was not , but ran w/ that story anyway.

There was ample reason for CYA mode, and if you can't see that, then I'm wasting my time.

Who is "a couple?" It really is a simple question.

And CYA is EXACTLY what it is. It started with blaming it on a video, sending Susan Rice to lie on Sunday news shows, and went downhill from there. Kind of like Obama having Bergdahl's parents to the WH and declaring him a loyal soldier. But to each his own opinion. Maybe the whole truth will come out someday.

First of all, I've heard a couple, sorry, forget names, rank and status, but they said absolutely we had assets read to go.

Second, not only did Obama call Bergdahl a 'loyal soldier' but Susan Rice said he served w/ " honor and distinction ".

See how it goes ? They say it, and some of the gullible dumb-masses buy it, end of story.

Like jobs " saved and created " , which is a completely fictional , made up and unchartable metric, which really sells well to the focus group types. But that's yet another story.

This disparaging of my military is getting tiring.

Your military? I knew you had a huge ego but geez. It is NOT your military. It is OUR military. And I don't see anyoneone here pointing fingers at OUR military. Get over yourself.

The fact that you can't see what's happening is why I don't consider you a Vet.

Well you either voluntarily deleted it the last time you said that or got it removed for you. Just typical of your MO of being insulting when someone disagrees with you. In any event I could not care less if you of all people consider me a vet.

You put politics before military. You are no Vet.

After all your yada yada holier than thou mini lectures you are still FOS. You are no Auburn man.

Sure I'm FOS. When it comes to score some political points, you'll throw the military under the bus every time. You did the same about the Marines in Yemen.

[Proud Tiger 4,261]

A couple at least have said they were read to go, and yet didn't. The admin knew, in real time, what was going on, and chose to do nothing. Later, it said this attack was about a video, when it knew conclusively that it was not , but ran w/ that story anyway.

There was ample reason for CYA mode, and if you can't see that, then I'm wasting my time.

Who is "a couple?" It really is a simple question.

And CYA is EXACTLY what it is. It started with blaming it on a video, sending Susan Rice to lie on Sunday news shows, and went downhill from there. Kind of like Obama having Bergdahl's parents to the WH and declaring him a loyal soldier. But to each his own opinion. Maybe the whole truth will come out someday.

First of all, I've heard a couple, sorry, forget names, rank and status, but they said absolutely we had assets read to go.

Second, not only did Obama call Bergdahl a 'loyal soldier' but Susan Rice said he served w/ " honor and distinction ".

See how it goes ? They say it, and some of the gullible dumb-masses buy it, end of story.

Like jobs " saved and created " , which is a completely fictional , made up and unchartable metric, which really sells well to the focus group types. But that's yet another story.

This disparaging of my military is getting tiring.

Your military? I knew you had a huge ego but geez. It is NOT your military. It is OUR military. And I don't see anyoneone here pointing fingers at OUR military. Get over yourself.

The fact that you can't see what's happening is why I don't consider you a Vet.

Well you either voluntarily deleted it the last time you said that or got it removed for you. Just typical of your MO of being insulting when someone disagrees with you. In any event I could not care less if you of all people consider me a vet.

You put politics before military. You are no Vet.

After all your yada yada holier than thou mini lectures you are still FOS. You are no Auburn man.

Sure I'm FOS. When it comes to score some political points, you'll throw the military under the bus every time. You did the same about the Marines in Yemen.

That's your story and totally wrong. You are the ones throwing our BenGhazi guys under the bus. I have no political scores to make. On the other hand you just have an overinflated ego trying your best to impress others. You need to get to the nearest VA hospital for anger management and character development.

[AUUSN 823]

A couple at least have said they were read to go, and yet didn't. The admin knew, in real time, what was going on, and chose to do nothing. Later, it said this attack was about a video, when it knew conclusively that it was not , but ran w/ that story anyway.

There was ample reason for CYA mode, and if you can't see that, then I'm wasting my time.

Who is "a couple?" It really is a simple question.

And CYA is EXACTLY what it is. It started with blaming it on a video, sending Susan Rice to lie on Sunday news shows, and went downhill from there. Kind of like Obama having Bergdahl's parents to the WH and declaring him a loyal soldier. But to each his own opinion. Maybe the whole truth will come out someday.

First of all, I've heard a couple, sorry, forget names, rank and status, but they said absolutely we had assets read to go.

Second, not only did Obama call Bergdahl a 'loyal soldier' but Susan Rice said he served w/ " honor and distinction ".

See how it goes ? They say it, and some of the gullible dumb-masses buy it, end of story.

Like jobs " saved and created " , which is a completely fictional , made up and unchartable metric, which really sells well to the focus group types. But that's yet another story.

This disparaging of my military is getting tiring.

Your military? I knew you had a huge ego but geez. It is NOT your military. It is OUR military. And I don't see anyoneone here pointing fingers at OUR military. Get over yourself.

The fact that you can't see what's happening is why I don't consider you a Vet.

Well you either voluntarily deleted it the last time you said that or got it removed for you. Just typical of your MO of being insulting when someone disagrees with you. In any event I could not care less if you of all people consider me a vet.

You put politics before military. You are no Vet.

After all your yada yada holier than thou mini lectures you are still FOS. You are no Auburn man.

Sure I'm FOS. When it comes to score some political points, you'll throw the military under the bus every time. You did the same about the Marines in Yemen.

That's your story and totally wrong. You are the ones throwing our BenGhazi guys under the bus. I have no political scores to make. On the other hand you just have an overinflated ego trying your best to impress others. You need to get to the nearest VA hospital for anger management and character development.

I called them noble warriors. Go show me the post where I threw them under the bus.

[Proud Tiger 4,261]

A couple at least have said they were read to go, and yet didn't. The admin knew, in real time, what was going on, and chose to do nothing. Later, it said this attack was about a video, when it knew conclusively that it was not , but ran w/ that story anyway.

There was ample reason for CYA mode, and if you can't see that, then I'm wasting my time.

Who is "a couple?" It really is a simple question.

And CYA is EXACTLY what it is. It started with blaming it on a video, sending Susan Rice to lie on Sunday news shows, and went downhill from there. Kind of like Obama having Bergdahl's parents to the WH and declaring him a loyal soldier. But to each his own opinion. Maybe the whole truth will come out someday.

First of all, I've heard a couple, sorry, forget names, rank and status, but they said absolutely we had assets read to go.

Second, not only did Obama call Bergdahl a 'loyal soldier' but Susan Rice said he served w/ " honor and distinction ".

See how it goes ? They say it, and some of the gullible dumb-masses buy it, end of story.

Like jobs " saved and created " , which is a completely fictional , made up and unchartable metric, which really sells well to the focus group types. But that's yet another story.

This disparaging of my military is getting tiring.

Your military? I knew you had a huge ego but geez. It is NOT your military. It is OUR military. And I don't see anyoneone here pointing fingers at OUR military. Get over yourself.

The fact that you can't see what's happening is why I don't consider you a Vet.

Well you either voluntarily deleted it the last time you said that or got it removed for you. Just typical of your MO of being insulting when someone disagrees with you. In any event I could not care less if you of all people consider me a vet.

You put politics before military. You are no Vet.

After all your yada yada holier than thou mini lectures you are still FOS. You are no Auburn man.

Sure I'm FOS. When it comes to score some political points, you'll throw the military under the bus every time. You did the same about the Marines in Yemen.

That's your story and totally wrong. You are the ones throwing our BenGhazi guys under the bus. I have no political scores to make. On the other hand you just have an overinflated ego trying your best to impress others. You need to get to the nearest VA hospital for anger management and character development.

I called them noble warriors. Go show me the post where I threw them under the bus.

Read your posts in this thread. Then tell me when I threw the Marines under the bus.

[Proud Tiger 4,261]

When absolute terminology such as no "military assets" were given a "stand down" order you really need to take the terms at their exact meaning. This wording is used to be truthful in testimony without compromising any shortcomings that may have occurred. The facts at the level of the conflict are probably contradictory even for the operators involved (even if they were not military). Fact is our preparation and response to this situation sucked.

You nailed it.

[homersapien 11,373]

A couple at least have said they were read to go, and yet didn't. The admin knew, in real time, what was going on, and chose to do nothing. Later, it said this attack was about a video, when it knew conclusively that it was not , but ran w/ that story anyway.

There was ample reason for CYA mode, and if you can't see that, then I'm wasting my time.

Who is "a couple?" It really is a simple question.

And CYA is EXACTLY what it is. It started with blaming it on a video, sending Susan Rice to lie on Sunday news shows, and went downhill from there. Kind of like Obama having Bergdahl's parents to the WH and declaring him a loyal soldier. But to each his own opinion. Maybe the whole truth will come out someday.

First of all, I've heard a couple, sorry, forget names, rank and status, but they said absolutely we had assets read to go.

Second, not only did Obama call Bergdahl a 'loyal soldier' but Susan Rice said he served w/ " honor and distinction ".

See how it goes ? They say it, and some of the gullible dumb-masses buy it, end of story.

Like jobs " saved and created " , which is a completely fictional , made up and unchartable metric, which really sells well to the focus group types. But that's yet another story.

This disparaging of my military is getting tiring.

Your military? I knew you had a huge ego but geez. It is NOT your military. It is OUR military. And I don't see anyoneone here pointing fingers at OUR military. Get over yourself.

The fact that you can't see what's happening is why I don't consider you a Vet.

Well you either voluntarily deleted it the last time you said that or got it removed for you. Just typical of your MO of being insulting when someone disagrees with you. In any event I could not care less if you of all people consider me a vet.

You put politics before military. You are no Vet.

After all your yada yada holier than thou mini lectures you are still FOS. You are no Auburn man.

Please. You are the last person who should be determining who is an Auburn man.

[homersapien 11,373]

When absolute terminology such as no "military assets" were given a "stand down" order you really need to take the terms at their exact meaning. This wording is used to be truthful in testimony without compromising any shortcomings that may have occurred. The facts at the level of the conflict are probably contradictory even for the operators involved (even if they were not military). Fact is our preparation and response to this situation sucked.

You nailed it.

That's hardly the argument you have been making.

[AURaptor 1,125]

When absolute terminology such as no "military assets" were given a "stand down" order you really need to take the terms at their exact meaning. This wording is used to be truthful in testimony without compromising any shortcomings that may have occurred. The facts at the level of the conflict are probably contradictory even for the operators involved (even if they were not military). Fact is our preparation and response to this situation sucked.

You nailed it.

And then , on top of all that, this admin LIED about it ! On PURPOSE ! For weeks on end ! Hell, they never fully STOPPED lying about it either !

[AUFAN78 3,897]

When absolute terminology such as no "military assets" were given a "stand down" order you really need to take the terms at their exact meaning. This wording is used to be truthful in testimony without compromising any shortcomings that may have occurred. The facts at the level of the conflict are probably contradictory even for the operators involved (even if they were not military). Fact is our preparation and response to this situation sucked.

You kind of broke the code. Lot's of word play in the report. Intentional? Who truly knows at this point, but it certainly adds to the skeptics list.

Speaking of that list, let's review some of its facts:

When you have those told in a report they could keep their doctor.

Those told in a report they could keep their insurance.

Those told in a report Ambassador Stevens died as a result of a protest over a video.

And now, those told in a report there was no stand down order.

I can't see why those or anyone could question anything in a report. You?

[AUFAN78 3,897]

A couple at least have said they were read to go, and yet didn't. The admin knew, in real time, what was going on, and chose to do nothing. Later, it said this attack was about a video, when it knew conclusively that it was not , but ran w/ that story anyway.

There was ample reason for CYA mode, and if you can't see that, then I'm wasting my time.

Who is "a couple?" It really is a simple question.

And CYA is EXACTLY what it is. It started with blaming it on a video, sending Susan Rice to lie on Sunday news shows, and went downhill from there. Kind of like Obama having Bergdahl's parents to the WH and declaring him a loyal soldier. But to each his own opinion. Maybe the whole truth will come out someday.

First of all, I've heard a couple, sorry, forget names, rank and status, but they said absolutely we had assets read to go.

Second, not only did Obama call Bergdahl a 'loyal soldier' but Susan Rice said he served w/ " honor and distinction ".

See how it goes ? They say it, and some of the gullible dumb-masses buy it, end of story.

Like jobs " saved and created " , which is a completely fictional , made up and unchartable metric, which really sells well to the focus group types. But that's yet another story.

This disparaging of my military is getting tiring.

Your military? I knew you had a huge ego but geez. It is NOT your military. It is OUR military. And I don't see anyoneone here pointing fingers at OUR military. Get over yourself.

The fact that you can't see what's happening is why I don't consider you a Vet.

Well you either voluntarily deleted it the last time you said that or got it removed for you. Just typical of your MO of being insulting when someone disagrees with you. In any event I could not care less if you of all people consider me a vet.

You put politics before military. You are no Vet.

After all your yada yada holier than thou mini lectures you are still FOS. You are no Auburn man.

Please. You are the last person who should be determining who is an Auburn man.

Come on now. No one on this forum has the honor of that determination.