johnnyAU 3,668 Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 Individuals are responsible for their own actions. If they aren't, we should ban all movies, video games, TV shows, books, articles, web pages, etc...that could somehow, possibly, tangentially lead to some idiot doing something stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasTiger 13,090 Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 5 hours ago, NolaAuTiger said: Everything is President Trump’s fault. If it turns out that a Trump supporter is behind these envelopes, it’ll be because the President motivated the action. That’s the logic. Steve Scalise should blame Trump too, shouldn’t he? So should Rand Paul. So should Ted Cruz for the restaurant incident. Gotta have someone to blame. People aren’t just psychotic. It’s forbidden to assert as much. Enemy of the people. Lock her up. You don’t see the dehumanizing because you embrace it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NolaAuTiger 3,295 Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 13 minutes ago, TexasTiger said: Enemy of the people. Lock her up. You don’t see the dehumanizing because you embrace it. Oh yeah. I can definitely see that rhetoric motivating a person to send explosives in the mail. You are so correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUFAN78 3,942 Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 Just now, NolaAuTiger said: Oh yeah. I can definitely see that rhetoric motivating a person to send explosives in the mail. You are so correct. Getting very sad and disappointing in here. Go figure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUFAN78 3,942 Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 41 minutes ago, GiveEmElle said: No one is blaming him for the bombs. We are stating that is rhetoric is irresponsible and incites violence, like trying to murder people. Rhetoric from both sides. Until we own that nothing changes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Proud Tiger 4,261 Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 50 minutes ago, Brad_ATX said: What about when a guy who grabs a woman's breast says as a defense "the President of the United States says it's OK to grab women by their private parts." Can we blame him then? https://www.dallasnews.com/business/southwest-airlines/2018/10/23/trump-says-ok-grab-women-groping-suspect-tells-fbi-after-southwest-airlines-flight-texas No fair...that's a "whatabout." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Proud Tiger 4,261 Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 A couple of questions for civil discussion, if that's possible here. Based on what we know now: 1. Do you think the bomb maker intended to hurt anyone? 2. What do you think his motive is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GiveEmElle 1,559 Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 57 minutes ago, NolaAuTiger said: Your phone number? I do not. I know. 48 minutes ago, AUFAN78 said: Jenny True story. I was trying to search online for an old friend’s phone number. When I searched his name that number came up. It wasn’t until I recited it to dial the number that I caught it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUFAN78 3,942 Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 Just now, GiveEmElle said: I know. True story. I was trying to search online for an old friend’s phone number. When I searched his name that number came up. It wasn’t until I recited it to dial the number that I caught it. Good stuff Elle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GiveEmElle 1,559 Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 32 minutes ago, AUFAN78 said: Rhetoric from both sides. Until we own that nothing changes. Both sides? No. It’s one person. Donald J. Trump. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasTiger 13,090 Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 51 minutes ago, NolaAuTiger said: Oh yeah. I can definitely see that rhetoric motivating a person to send explosives in the mail. You are so correct. Thanks for proving my point . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUFAN78 3,942 Posted October 26, 2018 Share Posted October 26, 2018 18 minutes ago, GiveEmElle said: Both sides? No. It’s one person. Donald J. Trump. You know better Elle. Call it out! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaltyTiger 7,890 Posted October 26, 2018 Share Posted October 26, 2018 8 minutes ago, TexasTiger said: Thanks for proving my point . Excuse me for being for being out of the loop for a few days. Are you saying that President Trump is responsible for the mail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texan4Auburn 1,626 Posted October 26, 2018 Share Posted October 26, 2018 1 hour ago, Brad_ATX said: What about when a guy who grabs a woman's breast says as a defense "the President of the United States says it's OK to grab women by their private parts." Can we blame him then? https://www.dallasnews.com/business/southwest-airlines/2018/10/23/trump-says-ok-grab-women-groping-suspect-tells-fbi-after-southwest-airlines-flight-texas What if I got to a school to speak and give out children's awards and I say "**** Trump" during the speech. Do we blame Robert De Niro or do we blame me? What is your respone when I'm asked and go " Mr. De Niro did it and got a standing ovation". I agree that there are certain psycho's that are screwed up enough to act on someone's words. I've stated more than once Trump is not Presidential in his addressing of the country. This dude in the plane is what 49-50 years old? Seriously bet he has groped more than one woman and well before Trump was ever the President. Maybe he hasn't and this was his first. Usually those that do those type of things have a long pattern that goes back to childhood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GiveEmElle 1,559 Posted October 26, 2018 Share Posted October 26, 2018 13 minutes ago, AUFAN78 said: You know better Elle. Call it out! Yeah, you’re right. Mitch McConnell, I left him off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NolaAuTiger 3,295 Posted October 26, 2018 Share Posted October 26, 2018 1 hour ago, TexasTiger said: Lock her up. And, exactly. He never said “blow her up.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad_ATX 13,654 Posted October 26, 2018 Share Posted October 26, 2018 4 minutes ago, Texan4Auburn said: What if I got to a school to speak and give out children's awards and I say "**** Trump" during the speech. Do we blame Robert De Niro or do we blame me? What is your respone when I'm asked and go " Mr. De Niro did it and got a standing ovation". I agree that there are certain psycho's that are screwed up enough to act on someone's words. I've stated more than once Trump is not Presidential in his addressing of the country. This dude in the plane is what 49-50 years old? Seriously bet he has groped more than one woman and well before Trump was ever the President. Maybe he hasn't and this was his first. Usually those that do those type of things have a long pattern that goes back to childhood. Sorry, but this doesn't hold water. Your example is saying "why didn't so get a standing O?" This is a real life situation where the on-the-record to police excuse is essentially "the President said I could." That's a really different conversation. My point here is that some have argued that rhetoric doesn't directly lead to incidents of violence. Well, here ya go. The guy may have a criminal record, but there's absolutely no disputing what's in a freaking police report for the "fake news" crowd out there. I didn't pull this out of butt either. This happened earlier in the week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUFAN78 3,942 Posted October 26, 2018 Share Posted October 26, 2018 8 minutes ago, GiveEmElle said: Yeah, you’re right. Mitch McConnell, I left him off. Ha! Your bias is noted young lady. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NolaAuTiger 3,295 Posted October 26, 2018 Share Posted October 26, 2018 3 minutes ago, Brad_ATX said: Sorry, but this doesn't hold water. Your example is saying "why didn't so get a standing O?" This is a real life situation where the on-the-record to police excuse is essentially "the President said I could." That's a really different conversation. My point here is that some have argued that rhetoric doesn't directly lead to incidents of violence. Well, here ya go. The guy may have a criminal record, but there's absolutely no disputing what's in a freaking police report for the "fake news" crowd out there. I didn't pull this out of butt either. This happened earlier in the week. Your argument holds as much water as Bobby Boucher’s did after he tackled Colonel Sanders: “Coach Klein said I could.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GiveEmElle 1,559 Posted October 26, 2018 Share Posted October 26, 2018 6 minutes ago, AUFAN78 said: Ha! Your bias is noted young lady. I’m morally opposed to evil. The fact that that puts me in opposition to the GOP is a sad by product. And thank you for the compliment. 😘 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad_ATX 13,654 Posted October 26, 2018 Share Posted October 26, 2018 6 minutes ago, NolaAuTiger said: Your argument holds as much water as Bobby Boucher’s did after he tackled Colonel Sanders: “Coach Klein said I could.” It's not my argument. It's the one made by the perpetrator of the crime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUFAN78 3,942 Posted October 26, 2018 Share Posted October 26, 2018 1 minute ago, GiveEmElle said: I’m morally opposed to evil. The fact that that puts me in opposition to the GOP is a sad by product. That you might actually believe this is sad. Really sad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NolaAuTiger 3,295 Posted October 26, 2018 Share Posted October 26, 2018 1 minute ago, Brad_ATX said: It's not my argument. It's the one made by the perpetrator of the crime. *Your use of the perpetrator’s argument* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GiveEmElle 1,559 Posted October 26, 2018 Share Posted October 26, 2018 2 minutes ago, AUFAN78 said: That you might actually believe this is sad. Really sad. So you wouldn’t call it evil to take healthcare away from millions of people or Rob people of social security to pay for tax cuts for the wealthy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad_ATX 13,654 Posted October 26, 2018 Share Posted October 26, 2018 6 minutes ago, NolaAuTiger said: *Your use of the perpetrator’s argument* As long as we're all on the same page that words apparently don't matter anymore, I'm good. Because that's the argument I'm reading from a lot of folks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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