jj3jordan 2,056 Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 Proud is correct. She committed numerous crimes with her unsecure server. That's not even debatable. All of us are in prison for 1% of what she did. If you are supporting or supported her you are defending guilty democrats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DKW 86 7,431 Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 On 3/22/2019 at 10:43 PM, Brad_ATX said: I don't think she committed a crime. I think she was stupid and careless, but it's not criminal. Stupid and Careless with Classified Material is indeed Criminal. As for Ivanka, how is saying "too early to know" throwing her under the bus? I'm actually saying let the facts come out with that statement, but it's looking like a very similar thing. Stupid and Careless with Classified Material is indeed Criminal. For everyone... Having worked with simple NoForn material up to Top Secret, any classified material breeches are criminally prosecutable. Go google, I found a half dozen articles by major services basically saying that HRC was willfully negligent and others had gone to prison for far less. https://www.military.com/daily-news/2016/01/30/a-look-at-federal-cases-on-handling-classified-information.html https://www.cnn.com/2017/06/05/politics/federal-contractor-leak-prosecution/index.html https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/01/mishandling-classified-material-former-cia-agent-case-compares-clinton/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/five-myths-about-classified-information/2015/09/18/a164c1a4-5d72-11e5-b38e-06883aacba64_story.html https://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2015/08/14/if-your-name-isnt-hillary-the-hammer-for-mishandling-secrets https://criminal.findlaw.com/criminal-charges/unauthorized-disclosure-of-classified-information.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad_ATX 13,654 Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 46 minutes ago, DKW 86 said: Having worked with simple NoForn material up to Top Secret, any classified material breeches are criminally prosecutable. Go google, I found a half dozen articles by major services basically saying that HRC was willfully negligent and others had gone to prison for far less. https://www.military.com/daily-news/2016/01/30/a-look-at-federal-cases-on-handling-classified-information.html https://www.cnn.com/2017/06/05/politics/federal-contractor-leak-prosecution/index.html https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/01/mishandling-classified-material-former-cia-agent-case-compares-clinton/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/five-myths-about-classified-information/2015/09/18/a164c1a4-5d72-11e5-b38e-06883aacba64_story.html https://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2015/08/14/if-your-name-isnt-hillary-the-hammer-for-mishandling-secrets https://criminal.findlaw.com/criminal-charges/unauthorized-disclosure-of-classified-information.html OK. Federal prosecutors disagree with you and these opinions. There's been ample opportunity to charge her with a crime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jj3jordan 2,056 Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 47 minutes ago, Brad_ATX said: OK. Federal prosecutors disagree with you and these opinions. There's been ample opportunity to charge her with a crime. No sir Brad. they don't disagree with those opinions. They just prosecute people who are NOT hillary. Comey staled clearly that while her actions were criminal, she is just too big to be brought down by these run of the mill felonies that would imprison ALL of us in the same situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad_ATX 13,654 Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 57 minutes ago, jj3jordan said: No sir Brad. they don't disagree with those opinions. They just prosecute people who are NOT hillary. Comey staled clearly that while her actions were criminal, she is just too big to be brought down by these run of the mill felonies that would imprison ALL of us in the same situation. No he didn't. Not even close. I'm no Hillary fan, but do yourself a favor and deal in fact and not what you perceive it to be. Directly from Comey: "Although there is evidence of potential violations regarding the handling of classified information, our judgment is that no reasonable prosecutor would bring such a case." "In looking back into our investigations into the mishandling or removal of classified information, we cannot find a case that would support bringing criminal charges on these facts," Comey said. "All the cases prosecuted involved some combination of: clearly intentional and willful mishandling of classified information; or vast quantities of information exposed in such a way as to support an inference of intentional misconduct; or indications of disloyalty to the United States; or efforts to obstruct justice. We do not see those things here." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DKW 86 7,431 Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 4 hours ago, Brad_ATX said: OK. Federal prosecutors disagree with you and these opinions. There's been ample opportunity to charge her with a crime. There has been plenty of opportunity to charge her. Funny, it just never happens. If it were you and me, we would be in Leavenworth before nitefall. HRC was "Grossly Negligent" or as Strzok changed it to "Extremely Careless." either of which have landed other Americans in prison. Ex-NSA employee who took classified material home gets five years in ... https://thehill.com/.../408370-ex-nsa-employee-who-took-classified-material-home-ge... Sep 25, 2018 - A former National Security Agency (NSA) employee who pleaded guilty last year to removing classified materials from the agency's offices has been sentenced to five-and-a-half years in prison. ... Kaspersky has denied that it intentionally aided espionage efforts, but the company's ... Ex-defense contractor receives prison sentence for unlawfully storing ... https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/.../ex-defense-contractor-receives-prison-senten... Jun 13, 2018 - A former defense contractor was sentenced to 41 months in prison for unlawfully retaining classified material while serving in the Navy and ... Former NSA employee gets 66 months in prison for keeping classified ... https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/.../former-nsa-employee-gets-66-months-in-pri... Sep 25, 2018 - A former National Security Agency employee who pleaded guilty in December to wrongly taking classified information has been sentenced to more than five years in federal prison.According to the Justice Department, Nghia Hoang Pho removed and kept "massive troves of highly ... Former NSA Employee Sentenced to Prison for Willful Retention of ... https://www.justice.gov › Department of Justice › Office of Public Affairs › News Sep 25, 2018 - Former NSA Employee Sentenced to Prison for Willful Retention of ... “Removing and retaining such highly classified material displays a total ... CIA contractor gets 3-month prison sentence for taking home classified ... https://www.stripes.com/.../cia-contractor-gets-3-month-prison-sentence-for-taking-ho... Nov 2, 2018 - A former contractor at the Central Intelligence Agency who kept 60 notebooks full of classified information will spend three months in prison. Former NSA worker sentenced to 5.5 years in prison for ... - USA Today https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2018/...prison...documents.../1425087002/ Sep 25, 2018 - A former National Security Agency worker who took home troves of classified documents was sentenced Tuesday to 66 months in prison. Reality Winner gets 63 months in prison for disclosing classified ... https://www.bizjournals.com/.../08/.../reality-winner-gets-63-months-in-prison-for.htm... Aug 23, 2018 - The Augusta, Ga., woman who took top-secret classified information on a ... was sentenced to five years and three months in prison Thursday. Former NSA Employee Gets 5 Years in Prison for Retaining Classified ... https://www.tripwire.com › Home › News Sep 26, 2018 - Home » News » Former NSA Employee Gets 5 Years in Prison… ... “Removing and retaining such highly classified material displays a total ... Former NSA contractor sentenced to 5 years in prison for leaking ... https://abcnews.go.com/US/nsa-contractor...years-prison...classified-documents/story?... Aug 23, 2018 - Former NSA contractor sentenced to 5 years in prison for leaking classified documentson Russia probe. Reality Winner was sentenced to five ... Ex-NSA employee gets 5.5 years in prison for taking home classified info https://www.zdnet.com/.../ex-nsa-employee-gets-5-5-years-in-prison-for-taking-home... Sep 26, 2018 - According to court documents, US investigators said that Pho started taking classifiedNSA material, such as documents and hacking tools, ... And then there is Sandy Berger: SANDY BERGER Berger was the national security adviser during Clinton's second term, but after leaving office found himself in trouble for destroying classified documents. Berger, who died in December at age 70, pleaded guilty in 2005 to illegally sneaking classified documents from the National Archives by stuffing papers in his suit. He later destroyed some of them in his office and lied about it. The materials related to terror threats in the United States during the 2000 millennium celebration. He pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor count of unauthorized removal and retention of classified material, and though he avoided prison time, he lost access to classified material for three years. A judge fined him $50,000, higher than the amount recommended by prosecutors. He called his actions a lapse in judgment that came as he was preparing to testify before the Sept. 11 commission that examined the events leading up to the attacks. "I let considerations of personal convenience override clear rules of handling classified materials," Berger said at the time. It really boils down to just who you know. Page Navigation 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 Next Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homersapien 11,393 Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 17 hours ago, jj3jordan said: Proud is correct. She committed numerous crimes with her unsecure server. That's not even debatable. All of us are in prison for 1% of what she did. If you are supporting or supported her you are defending guilty democrats. First, that's just your opinion. Secondly, using the standard currently being promulgated by Trump supporters, no indictment = total exoneration. You are trying to have your cake and eat it too. We should apply the same standards to both sides, right? Finally, Hillary is old news. Irrelevant even. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homersapien 11,393 Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 On 3/22/2019 at 9:29 PM, Proud Tiger said: Yes it would be......all those who defended Hillary and her e-mails for starters. And who exactly would that be? I think Hillary was absolutely wrong for setting up her own server or for otherwise being careless with her email. Others - both Democrats and Republicans were similarly careless before her. Hell, even the current president has been accused of being careless with his cell phone - much less his use of twitter. I would have been perfectly satisfied if she had been indicted and tried for whatever she did. Hell, if she had, it would be extremely unlikely Trump wouldn't be POTUS today! We would all be better off today had she been indicted for a crime. I would even support releasing the details of the investigation on her e-mails now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homersapien 11,393 Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 On 3/22/2019 at 11:01 PM, Proud Tiger said: Lots of unhappy Dems tonight. Wrong forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homersapien 11,393 Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 11 hours ago, DKW 86 said: There has been plenty of opportunity to charge her. Funny, it just never happens. If it were you and me, we would be in Leavenworth before nitefall. HRC was "Grossly Negligent" or as Strzok changed it to "Extremely Careless." either of which have landed other Americans in prison. It really boils down to just who you know. It's disingenuous to make direct comparisons between different cases as proof of anything no matter how similar they may be superficially. But having said that, you are generally correct. Justice in our system largely depends on who you are or who you can afford to hire to defend you. This shouldn't be news. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DKW 86 7,431 Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 7 hours ago, homersapien said: It's disingenuous to make direct comparisons between different cases as proof of anything no matter how similar they may be superficially. But having said that, you are generally correct. Justice in our system largely depends on who you are or who you can afford to hire to defend you. This shouldn't be news. But it is undeniably wrong. Justice is supposed to be blind. It wasnt blind at Chappaquiddick. It was in full view and naked. It wasnt blind for HRC and the email server. It wasnt blind for Jeffrey Epstein and Lolita Island. It wasnt blind for Smollett. It wasnt blind when DJT got 6-7 Bankruptcies for approx $2BN+. It wasnt blind for Iran-Contra. It wasnt blind For Scooter Libby, etc etc etc etc... It wasnt blind for Jim Crowe, Dr King, The Scotsboro Boys, and hundreds of others. It was blind for Nixon, Gianconna, Capone, and others. It was blind when Teddy Roosevelt busted the monopolies. It was blind for Bill Cosby...but not OJ Simpson.... When American Justice is blind, we are at our greatest. Sadly, it is a joke with the elites here in American and especially Washington DC today. They expect to special treatment, and get it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jj3jordan 2,056 Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 Sorry boys but classified material handling is not anyones opinion. It is very clear and straightforward. You cannot send and receive classified material over an unsecured server. It doesn't require intent. Maybe if you were previous military and realized how classified material is handled you would have a different view. Classified rules are not affected by politics in the military. All those other cases of justice being blind or swayed by politics are irrelevant to Hillary's classification violations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homersapien 11,393 Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 36 minutes ago, DKW 86 said: But it is undeniably wrong. Justice is supposed to be blind. It wasnt blind at Chappaquiddick. It was in full view and naked. It wasnt blind for HRC and the email server. It wasnt blind for Jeffrey Epstein and Lolita Island. It wasnt blind for Smollett. It wasnt blind when DJT got 6-7 Bankruptcies for approx $2BN+. It wasnt blind for Iran-Contra. It wasnt blind For Scooter Libby, etc etc etc etc... It wasnt blind for Jim Crowe, Dr King, The Scotsboro Boys, and hundreds of others. It was blind for Nixon, Gianconna, Capone, and others. It was blind when Teddy Roosevelt busted the monopolies. It was blind for Bill Cosby...but not OJ Simpson.... When American Justice is blind, we are at our greatest. Sadly, it is a joke with the elites here in American and especially Washington DC today. They expect to special treatment, and get it. Do you have a point to make? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DKW 86 7,431 Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 2 minutes ago, homersapien said: Do you have a point to make? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homersapien 11,393 Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 13 minutes ago, jj3jordan said: Sorry boys but classified material handling is not anyones opinion. It is very clear and straightforward. You cannot send and receive classified material over an unsecured server. It doesn't require intent. Maybe if you were previous military and realized how classified material is handled you would have a different view. Classified rules are not affected by politics in the military. All those other cases of justice being blind or swayed by politics are irrelevant to Hillary's classification violations. What about an unsecure phone? But to your point, if we need to crack down on this sort of thing, then let's crack down. And if a "post mortem" on Hillary's practices help us in that regard, that's fine also. But let's make it comprehensive and not just pick and choose who we want to hold accountable. I think we are way behind in terms of e-security. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jj3jordan 2,056 Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 2 minutes ago, homersapien said: What about an unsecure phone? But to your point, if we need to crack down on this sort of thing, then let's crack down. And if a "post mortem" on Hillary's practices help us in that regard, that's fine also. But let's make it comprehensive and not just pick and choose who we want to hold accountable. I think we are way behind in terms of e-security. An unsecure phone cannot be used to talk about classified material. Mil has secure phones called STU-III that are used for classified. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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