MAGAs Trying to Storm the Capitol

[autigeremt 6,643]

Just now, homersapien said:

David, is that you?   

Hugo, is that you? 🙄😂

[homersapien 11,388]

2 minutes ago, autigeremt said:

Hugo, is that you? 🙄😂

Excuse me, but I don't understand.

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1 minute ago, homersapien said:

Excuse me, but I don't understand.

Geez. 

[homersapien 11,388]

Just now, autigeremt said:

Geez. 

  I was giving you the benefit of doubt.

Were you seriously calling me a communist?

[autigeremt 6,643]

5 hours ago, ScotsAU said:

This was posted within a week of the election, btw.

 

No they just used covid to change the rules outside state legislatures consent and used the courts to........and came up with millions of new voters on Election Day 😂

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1 minute ago, homersapien said:

  I was giving you the benefit of doubt.

Were you seriously calling me a communist?

Oh Comrade 😂

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13 minutes ago, autigeremt said:

No they just used covid to change the rules outside state legislatures consent and used the courts to........and came up with millions of new voters on Election Day 😂

Somebody's sad they missed out on the field trip to the Capitol building today.

[homersapien 11,388]

10 minutes ago, autigeremt said:

Oh Comrade 😂

What is it with the 😂 icons? 

Are they a symbolic way of conceding "I've got nothing"?

[autigeremt 6,643]

1 hour ago, savorytiger said:

Somebody's sad they missed out on the field trip to the Capitol building today.

There’s no one there I want to see. 

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1 hour ago, homersapien said:

What is it with the 😂 icons? 

Are they a symbolic way of conceding "I've got nothing"?

You sure don’t homer. You sure don’t. 

[Brad_ATX 13,654]

1 hour ago, autigeremt said:

Just like socialists burning down cities.....oh wait wrong page. 🙄

You're really comparing that to a literal attack on our government and, by definition of the U.S. Code, acts of sedition against the country?  Really?

I'm not here condoning people rioting and looting, but to act like there's any equivalency to the events of today is just jarring.

[Brad_ATX 13,654]

Republicans getting pissed because he's out here telling the damn truth.

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This is why they're being called liars on the House floor.  Spreading disinformation about "violating PA's Constitution" while knowing full well laws had already been on the books.

 

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https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/washington-secrets/expert-andy-ngo-it-wasnt-antifa-at-the-capitol-riots?_amp=true&__twitter_impression=true

 

“Journalist Andy Ngo, who has become an expert on the violent anarchist group antifa, today dismissed claims by President Trump’s supporters that the group was behind the pro-Trump riots on Capitol Hill.”

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1) ALL RIOTING IS WRONG, NO EXCEPTION. 

2) The only thing worse than rioting is...Always finding fault with the other side. OR: Rioting is only bad when the other side does it.

3) To the MAGA's, If you didnt learn from the election that the American People do not like disorder, chaos, rioting, well, just wait, this will do tons of damage at the ballot box next time just like BLM, Defund the Police, Antifa did to the Democrats during the last election. The HOR, the Dems were expecting huge wins, lost 9 seats, basically from Defund the Police being tied to the Democrat Party.  ALL RIOTING IS WRONG, NO EXCEPTION. 

4) Dems: What you feel today is what the rest of the country fely as Seattle, Minneapolis, Portland, etc burned. It is why the Election that was supposed to be a landslide ended up being as tight as it was and why you lost seats in the HOR and barely barely took control of the Senate. ALL RIOTING IS WRONG, NO EXCEPTION. 

"Mostly Peaceful" BLM Riot in Minneapolis....

I really am having a very hard time telling the good guys from the bad guys here. 
 

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5 hours ago, homersapien said:

Excuse me, but I don't understand.

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5 hours ago, autigeremt said:

Antifa is pretty happy as well. One day you might just figure out that your party and the grand ole party are just two sides of the same coin. Maybe 

I want every sensible person here to read this post and remember "when someone shows you who they are, believe them the first time."

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7 hours ago, wdefromtx said:

Then what’s the problem? I have never disputed any of what you said. I just said there’s more to this than just trump, it’s a deeper issue. And you lost your s***. 

I lost my s*** because there really is no "both sides" to this like you two have insinuated.

Have people lost their faith in the government to effectively govern in the day and age? Yes and in many ways rightfully so. Yeah, there's good reason to be cynical.

But then we have Trump and what has become of the Republican party. This is a different beast. People wonder why and how the Mussolinis and Hitlers of the world could have happened. Well, here you have it. A republic is a delicate thing it turns out. All of those checks and balances can be rendered moot in the face of a powerful cult of personality. Things are holding up for now, but all it would take for things to fall apart in the face of this movement is a handful of people not holding the line. Trump would destroy this country, and a lot of people would welcome it.

And that handful is eroding. People like Hawley and Cruz and Tommy Tuberville in the senate and around a third of the house are voting as we speak to cast off democracy. Here's Hawley earlier today when he passed the mob:

This is America. For all of our flaws, we have a history of punching fascists. Here we have people in power raising a fist in solidarity and speaking for them in our most powerful legislative body.

"It can't happen here." It absolutely can, and one side is abetting it in spades.

And as much as you want to make this about the dems and "look what you made me do" the mob, no. That can't be allowed to stand. 

You need to self-examine. 

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1 hour ago, AUDub said:

I lost my s*** because there really is no "both sides" to this like you two have insinuated.

Have people lost their faith in the government to effectively govern in the day and age? Yes and in many ways rightfully so. Yeah, there's good reason to be cynical.

But then we have Trump and what has become of the Republican party. This is a different beast. People wonder why and how the Mussolinis and Hitlers of the world could have happened. Well, here you have it. A republic is a delicate thing it turns out. All of those checks and balances can be rendered moot in the face of a powerful cult of personality. Things are holding up for now, but all it would take for things to fall apart in the face of this movement is a handful of people not holding the line. Trump would destroy this country, and a lot of people would welcome it.

And that handful is eroding. People like Hawley and Cruz and Tommy Tuberville in the senate and around a third of the house are voting as we speak to cast off democracy. Here's Hawley earlier today when he passed the mob:

This is America. For all of our flaws, we have a history of punching fascists. Here we have people in power raising a fist in solidarity and speaking for them in our most powerful legislative body.

"It can't happen here." It absolutely can, and one side is abetting it in spades.

And as much as you want to make this about the dems and "look what you made me do" the mob, no. That can't be allowed to stand. 

You need to self-examine. 

All I said is this has been building for awhile. You inferred what you wanted to. Again, that’s on you Donny. 

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15 hours ago, caleb1633 said:

 Trump's rhetoric simply spurred the rage that was already present in our increasingly polarized political culture. Even if Trump exits the picture completely, these types of events will still occur if we don't course correct from all the things that got us here.

What I foresee happening after this is that anyone on the right will be grouped in with the thugs who stormed the capital, and the radical left will continue spewing hatred towards anyone on the right whether they were complicit or not. It's the societal equivalent of corporal punishment. The radical right will then respond with rhetoric and their own acts of violence, and the cycle will continue. 

False equivalencies and normalizing. I'm so sick of this s***.

The rage was already there, yes. But Trump voters voted for Trump. And then they voted for him again. And now *they're* the ones who descended on Washington DC to literally protest democracy and stormed the ******* nation's capitol. No, nobody on the left has done anything like that. No candidate on the left has been anything like Trump. This is not normal and these are not events that would have just happened anyway.

You want this to be less than it is. You want the comparatively innocuous actions of left-leaning protesters and rioters to be more than they were. You are biased and wrong. 

POTUS invited his supporters to do this, and they did. There is no precedent for this. There is no corresponding action from the other side. Now is not the time for false equivalencies. 

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32 minutes ago, McLoofus said:

False equivalencies and normalizing. I'm so sick of this s***.

The rage was already there, yes. But Trump voters voted for Trump. And then they voted for him again. And now *they're* the ones who descended on Washington DC to literally protest democracy and stormed the ******* nation's capitol. No, nobody on the left has done anything like that. No candidate on the left has been anything like Trump. This is not normal and these are not events that would have just happened anyway.

You want this to be less than it is. You want the comparatively innocuous actions of left-leaning protesters and rioters to be more than they were. You are biased and wrong. 

POTUS invited his supporters to do this, and they did. There is no precedent for this. There is no corresponding action from the other side. Now is not the time for false equivalencies. 

I guess burning looting rioting assault battery illegal occupation and murder are all just comparatively innocuous actions of left leaning protesters and rioters. That’s almost funny. Apparently you are more alarmed when it’s not your side perpetrating.

[caleb1633 1,418]

56 minutes ago, McLoofus said:

False equivalencies and normalizing. I'm so sick of this s***.

The rage was already there, yes. But Trump voters voted for Trump. And then they voted for him again. And now *they're* the ones who descended on Washington DC to literally protest democracy and stormed the ******* nation's capitol. No, nobody on the left has done anything like that. No candidate on the left has been anything like Trump. This is not normal and these are not events that would have just happened anyway.

You want this to be less than it is. You want the comparatively innocuous actions of left-leaning protesters and rioters to be more than they were. You are biased and wrong. 

POTUS invited his supporters to do this, and they did. There is no precedent for this. There is no corresponding action from the other side. Now is not the time for false equivalencies. 

Well, we are all biased, including you. I really think you misunderstand mine and seem to think that I'm blaming the left for this. I'm a compulsive contrarian, so I'm always questioning my biases and don't give a damn if objective reality proves me to be incorrect. You seem to think that I'm blaming the left for this or removing responsibility from Trump and the right, and that's not at all what I'm doing. 

 

I don't think I've stated a single false equivalency, and I've certainly done ANYTHING but normalize this. I have repeatedly expressed how horrific this is, and personally think it's undoubtedly the most embarrassing moment in American history. It's a complete disgrace, and I've never insinuated anything otherwise.

 

All I am doing is simply choosing to not look at this in a vacuum, because nothing in society happens in a vacuum. I think that Trump was the pilot of the plane that ultimately got us here; however, I think we began a descent into this madness at least a decade ago. There was A LOT of different things going on that led us to 2016 and set the stage for him to be elected in the first place. There was also a lot of different factors that led to him almost being re-elected, and there were things done that added to the insanity of his supporters. I absolutely believe that we were headed towards calamity and that Trump accelerated it. I think it would've taken a lot longer to get there, but the polarized state of our country, rife with double standards and tribalism, was already taking shape. Unless something got in its way, we were going to come to a moment like this. Not only did nothing get in its way, but you have Donald Trump putting it on the fast track. 

 

Ultimately, I am trying to pinpoint all the things that went wrong that could've prevented this in the first place, and trying to help others avoid doing the same s*** that inflamed his supporters and provided him with even more support than he ever should've had. I don't want this type of stuff to continue, but I fear it will if we, as an entire society, don't course correct some of the things we did to set us up for such an event.

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31 minutes ago, jj3jordan said:

I guess burning looting rioting assault battery illegal occupation and murder are all just comparatively innocuous actions of left leaning protesters and rioters. That’s almost funny. Apparently you are more alarmed when it’s not your side perpetrating.

All of that is wrong.  It's also not the same as stopping the government of the United States of America from doing it's job.  There is no equivalency here.

Yesterday was the first time since the War of 1812 that Congress was forced to stop work because the halls were breached by outside influences.  Let that sink in.