bigbird 60,580 Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 11 minutes ago, NWALA Tiger said: Better get ready for the in coming.... Gus never had a losing season.... Gus won SEC West.... Gus could recruit.... ETC ETC All true. He was also a great ambassador for Auburn and ran a clean program. None of that changes anything for either regime. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AuburnEagle79 2,171 Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 1 hour ago, bigbird said: All true. He was also a great ambassador for Auburn and ran a clean program. None of that changes anything for either regime. Thank you. Gus can be appreciated for what he did well and criticized for his shortcomings. Same for Harsin. Turns out he didn't do many things well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbird 60,580 Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 1 minute ago, AuburnEagle79 said: Same for Harsin. Turns out he didn't do many things well. I still believe his vision of where the program needs to be in order to compete is correct. I also think his vision of building a NFLlite recruiting/scouting department is brilliant. Unfortunately, just like on the field, we are failing to execute the most basic of plays. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUApostle 7,663 Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 This will be the first time in about 10 years that the fan base will nearly all be on the same page. That’s a silver lining. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alabastertiger 620 Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 19 hours ago, zeroforwinger said: I think it’s 18 now, and 15ish after the season. I’m ok with waiting until we get an AD in place before canning him. Also I want him to be the one who takes the UGA beating. It’s not fair for Caddy or anyone else to get that whopping. My son got a text from a friend that was at the game this saturday. It said "Ugaly is going to do unspeakable things to us". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NolaAuTiger 3,295 Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 (edited) 12 hours ago, Mike4AU said: Of course he will. I cannot imagine any scenario where it would be beneficial for him to agree to settling for a lower amount. I would expect specific performance of the contract. Sports = the only realm of life where contracts are this overwhelmingly one-sided and stupid. @Didba Edited September 26, 2022 by NolaAuTiger 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Didba 5,295 Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 Just now, NolaAuTiger said: Sports = the only realm of life where contracts are this overwhelmingly one-sided and stupid. That’s what happens when you have unreasonable clients that don’t listen to your advice regarding the contract and insist that you still draft it as they instruct you to. As reminded to me by @Mike4AU Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NolaAuTiger 3,295 Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 Just now, Didba said: That’s what happens when you have unreasonable clients that don’t listen to your advice regarding the contract and insist that you still draft it as they instruct you to. As reminded to me by @Mike4AU It just amazes me. You would never find such outrageous terms in any other line of business. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Didba 5,295 Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 Just now, NolaAuTiger said: It just amazes me. You would never find such outrageous terms in any other line of business. Trust me, it amazes me too. I could draft a better contract with my eyes closed, drunk, and using word on my phone. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viper 3,142 Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 5 hours ago, NWALA Tiger said: Better get ready for the in coming.... Gus never had a losing season.... Gus won SEC West.... Gus could recruit.... ETC ETC Far & away your most factual post ever. Debating Gus’ accomplishments & shortcomings in 2016 to that point vs Harsin’s accomplishments & shortcomings to date…it’s not even close. Not saying either was AU’s long-term answer. But comparing success each has brought AU? Galaxies apart. To boot…there is zero guarantee the next guy will accomplish more than Gus, but nearly a lock more than Harsin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NWALA Tiger 3,535 Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 47 minutes ago, Viper said: Far & away your most factual post ever. Debating Gus’ accomplishments & shortcomings in 2016 to that point vs Harsin’s accomplishments & shortcomings to date…it’s not even close. Not saying either was AU’s long-term answer. But comparing success each has brought AU? Galaxies apart. To boot…there is zero guarantee the next guy will accomplish more than Gus, but nearly a lock more than Harsin. Thanks for that ringing endorsement Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viper 3,142 Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 (edited) 6 minutes ago, NWALA Tiger said: Thanks for that ringing endorsement I do what I can. Paypal royalties to: iheartharsin@auburn.edu Edited September 26, 2022 by Viper 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
auelvis87 96 Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 I know this will never happen, but I'd love to see ANY Power 5 College/University offer a contract based on winning/accomplishing goals on the field. I just threw some numbers together as an example. There are any number of variations you could include or substitute such as graduation rate, recruiting, clean program, etc. Base Salary = $250,000 Win an SEC game at home = $500K per win (assume there are 4 home games per season = $2M) Win an SEC game away = $1M per win (assume 4 away games = $4M) SEC Championship = $1M National Championship = $2M Buyout if coach leaves for another job or quits = 0.00 Buyout if college/university fires coach = 0.00 Based on this scenario the coach could potentially earn $8.25M. Wishful thinking, I know. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUTigerTime 186 Posted September 26, 2022 Author Share Posted September 26, 2022 9 hours ago, Tmoney56 said: I just wonder why he is still employed. Auburn will lose money in the long run and that loss will just continue to grow as long as he is employed at Auburn. Fire him today. I don't think they'd loose less by firing him now vs 3 months from now. It's not like an assistant will be able to win anymore...or less bad. Obviously he needs to go by the end of the year, but we aren't going to replace him until Jan at the earliest so there's no real point unless you feel like your targeted coach won't be available by then. We aren't going to make a bowl game, so I think we'll be fine to wait until December. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUTigerTime 186 Posted September 26, 2022 Author Share Posted September 26, 2022 I wonder if you could just come out and say that he's not fired, but you're not going to retain him so that you can go ahead and start a coaching search and make an offer for his replacement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronMan70 3,277 Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 Harsin doesn't care how many beatdowns the team takes from here on out. He is just waiting on his check. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike4AU 1,739 Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 I think the right thing for AU to do is to not move on Harsin until a permanent AD is named. That would be fair to that AD and the new coach. I also think that should be done in the next few weeks. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hank2020 3,228 Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 (edited) 5 hours ago, Viper said: Far & away your most factual post ever. Debating Gus’ accomplishments & shortcomings in 2016 to that point vs Harsin’s accomplishments & shortcomings to date…it’s not even close. Not saying either was AU’s long-term answer. But comparing success each has brought AU? Galaxies apart. To boot…there is zero guarantee the next guy will accomplish more than Gus, but nearly a lock more than Harsin. I think the three “Mikes” from Bama says hello. Change is just change. History tells us if it’s better. Edited September 26, 2022 by Hank2020 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viper 3,142 Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 16 minutes ago, Hank2020 said: I think the three “Mikes” from Bama says hello. Change is just change. History tells us if it’s better. Sorry, I don’t see your point with the 3 coaches prior to Saban. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hank2020 3,228 Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 2 minutes ago, Viper said: Sorry, I don’t see your point with the 3 coaches prior to Saban. You said nearly a lock, so I gave you examples where those changes did not turn out to be better. Thats all. No lock on anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barkchevious 75 Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 On 9/25/2022 at 4:18 PM, SaltyTiger said: So that is why Harsin did not celebrate the missed chip shot field goal? Probably cost him 3 million Yes. If you look closely, he and Coach Drink say the same thing at the exact same time. And it starts with F. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viper 3,142 Posted September 27, 2022 Share Posted September 27, 2022 4 hours ago, Hank2020 said: You said nearly a lock, so I gave you examples where those changes did not turn out to be better. Thats all. No lock on anything. We'll never know if Mike Price would have been better than Dubose. Likely not, but he never coached a game, so he's not a factor in the W-L column. Further, Dubose won a SEC Title. Shula took over a probation-ridden program, 21 scholarships lost, so was pretty safe to have said in 2003 he wasn't going to trump that accomplishment. If it goes as forseen by the vast majority this season, Harsin's two seasons will end at 9-16, which equals a 0.360 record. There hasn't been a HC at AU in consecutive seasons that has done worse than a 0.360 record since Jordan's first two seasons in 1951/1952 with a 0.350 record. I feel very secure in saying it's a lock the next AU HC will have a better record than 0.360 after two seasons. I have 70 years of history & Doug freaking Barfield to lean on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viper 3,142 Posted September 27, 2022 Share Posted September 27, 2022 14 hours ago, AUDevil said: This will be the first time in about 10 years that the fan base will nearly all be on the same page. That’s a silver lining. And that will last just the next 3 months... ...until the next HC is announced. Then... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Didba 5,295 Posted September 27, 2022 Share Posted September 27, 2022 10 hours ago, auelvis87 said: I know this will never happen, but I'd love to see ANY Power 5 College/University offer a contract based on winning/accomplishing goals on the field. I just threw some numbers together as an example. There are any number of variations you could include or substitute such as graduation rate, recruiting, clean program, etc. Base Salary = $250,000 Win an SEC game at home = $500K per win (assume there are 4 home games per season = $2M) Win an SEC game away = $1M per win (assume 4 away games = $4M) SEC Championship = $1M National Championship = $2M Buyout if coach leaves for another job or quits = 0.00 Buyout if college/university fires coach = 0.00 Based on this scenario the coach could potentially earn $8.25M. Wishful thinking, I know. You'd be fired so fast 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Didba 5,295 Posted September 27, 2022 Share Posted September 27, 2022 9 hours ago, AUTigerTime said: I wonder if you could just come out and say that he's not fired, but you're not going to retain him so that you can go ahead and start a coaching search and make an offer for his replacement. Nah, that's probably a breach by AU Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Create an account or sign in to comment
You need to be a member in order to leave a comment
Create an account
Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!
Register a new accountSign in
Already have an account? Sign in here.
Sign In Now