We will have to be patient with the next coach

[TeamZero77 1,789]

Our next coach will be starting out with the cupboard bare. Our previous coaches came in and had talented rosters with depth left for them by the previous regime. This coach won't get that.

No matter what coach we hire, we have to be patient with him because this won't be a Terry Bowden 1993 or Gus 2013 type of deal. Even Tuberville, Chizik and Harsin received rosters that could compete immediately. 

I'm a very patient person and I'm fine if it takes a few years for us to get back to where we can contend with the top teams. As long as our coach continues to show improvement and the players never quit on him, I'll be perfectly fine with that. 

Harsin never showed me one area of improvement during his tenure. Everything that he touched, he made worse from how Gus left it. That's why he had to be fired. He always talked about cancer in the locker room having to be cut out to move forward, well he was cancer and that cancer had spread and it HAD to be cut out.

WDE

[AUCE05 369]

I don't think it is asking too much from someone making 5MM plus to do their job in year 3 (of recruiting). Name another industry where someone gets 4 or 5 years at that salary and not produce results.  If these guys love football and just want to impact players, they can go make 75k at any local HS.  

[DAG 34,043]

49 minutes ago, TeamZero77 said:

Our next coach will be starting out with the cupboard bare. Our previous coaches came in and had talented rosters with depth left for them by the previous regime. This coach won't get that.

No matter what coach we hire, we have to be patient with him because this won't be a Terry Bowden 1993 or Gus 2013 type of deal. Even Tuberville, Chizik and Harsin received rosters that could compete immediately. 

I'm a very patient person and I'm fine if it takes a few years for us to get back to where we can contend with the top teams. As long as our coach continues to show improvement and the players never quit on him, I'll be perfectly fine with that. 

Harsin never showed me one area of improvement during his tenure. Everything that he touched, he made worse from how Gus left it. That's why he had to be fired. He always talked about cancer in the locker room having to be cut out to move forward, well he was cancer and that cancer had spread and it HAD to be cut out.

WDE

Two years at most in this landscape of college.

[Mikey 16,778]

What the next guy needs to do is show improvement in the major areas. We will be patient under those circumstances. Had Harsin done that he'd still be coaching at AU today. As the OP noted, everything, every single major area of the football program, got worse under Harsin. Recruiting, player relations, public relations, won/loss record, etc. Everything got worse. Harsin did not deserve patience, he was retained too long as it is.

[Sizzle 3,925]

Idk why people keep repeating this, Auburn fans know how to show patience. We just want to see noticeable improvement on the field and in recruiting. You may not have to win the games but if the offense is scoring points and looking competent then everyone will be patient. 
 

Also the staff HAS to know how to recruit, as soon as I seen Harsin’s staff was lazy when it came to recruiting I knew it wouldn’t end well.
 

Harsin was in Alabama 2 years and most HS AL football coaches never even met the guy. That’s unacceptable 

[AEAugirl 9,635]

Not really.  A smart coach who knows how to utilize the portal can have Auburn back to being competitive relatively quick. 

[AUApostle 7,663]

4 minutes ago, Sizzle said:

Idk why people keep repeating this, Auburn fans know how to show patience. We just want to see noticeable improvement on the field and in recruiting. You may not have to win the games but if the offense is scoring points and looking competent then everyone will be patient. 
 

Also the staff HAS to know how to recruit, as soon as I seen Harsin’s staff was lazy when it came to recruiting I knew it wouldn’t end well.
 

Harsin was in Alabama 2 years and most HS AL football coaches never even met the guy. That’s unacceptable 

Agree, it’s not so much patience as it is whether he, or she, is doing the things necessary to make us competitive from day one.  It was quite clear last Nov/Dec that Harsin had not been doing those things.

[Auburn02 130]

26 minutes ago, DAG said:

Two years at most in this landscape of college.

Exactly.

I'm not pretending I expect Auburn to win the West next year, but in an era of the portal and freshmen coming straight in as starters and even winning the heisman, the days of taking years upon years to "rebuild" at a major program really aren't a thing anymore. 

Edited November 1, 2022 by Auburn02

[icanthearyou 4,464]

People will be patient if they see improvement.  If all facets of the program are failing,,, there will be no patience. 

[Viper 3,142]

2 hours ago, TeamZero77 said:

Our next coach will be starting out with the cupboard bare. Our previous coaches came in and had talented rosters with depth left for them by the previous regime. This coach won't get that.

No matter what coach we hire, we have to be patient with him because this won't be a Terry Bowden 1993 or Gus 2013 type of deal. Even Tuberville, Chizik and Harsin received rosters that could compete immediately. 

I'm a very patient person and I'm fine if it takes a few years for us to get back to where we can contend with the top teams. As long as our coach continues to show improvement and the players never quit on him, I'll be perfectly fine with that. 

Harsin never showed me one area of improvement during his tenure. Everything that he touched, he made worse from how Gus left it. That's why he had to be fired. He always talked about cancer in the locker room having to be cut out to move forward, well he was cancer and that cancer had spread and it HAD to be cut out.

WDE

2007 Alabama Crimson Tide
Record: 7-6

Conference Record: 4-4
 

2016 Georgia Bulldogs
Record: 8-5

Conference Record: 4-4

 

Hire Prime and recruiting will take care of itself.

[gravejd 3,272]

Its not going to be a 1 year turnaround like Bama and UGA. We can maybe do it in 2-3 years with amazing portal work along with great HS signing classes. OL is a complete rebuild. I'm not sure what we have to build around at the QB position. RB and WR can typically turn around quickly in recruiting. 

On D its hard to say if the struggles this year is more scheme or talent. I thought the D was going to be way better than they are but we've taken about 10 steps back on that side of the ball this season. I feel we have some good size on the DL but back half of the D and particularly the LBs have not looked good. We'll see how they do the rest of the season. I had honestly checked out after the LSU game so i'm really only speaking from checking scores on ESPN

[autiger88 3,777]

As long as they are showing improvement in the areas Harsin never did I think we will.

Edited November 1, 2022 by autiger88

[Quietmaninthecorner 1,949]

1 hour ago, DAG said:

Two years at most in this landscape of college.

Two years at most in this landscape of Auburn.   

We have too many entitled bitches that would rather be right than see Auburn succeed.    Some were dissing on Cohen before he even was officially hired.   There will be a few that will get so emotionally involved with their negative stance that they will make sure they fail  by spreading as much negative news about the new coach as they can.  Casting doubt on the new coach and Auburn for the kids we are recruiting.  Getting someone fired is a self fulfilling prophecy.  Just get the ball rolling.  

[aucanucktiger 1,807]

Patience, I agree - but in the era of the portal & immediate gratification many folks use the portal & coach salaries to (maybe correctly) justify impatience (e.g. Harsin inherited a bad OL and in 1 1/2 seasons had not used the portal to fix it). Our massive (by all reports) NIL will be another potential reason for impatience.

[Viper 3,142]

32 minutes ago, autiger88 said:

As long as they are showing improvement in the areas Harsin never did I think we will.

[ScotsAU 1,343]

It depends on who the coach is. There are some coaches in the list you’d expect to turn it around pretty quickly. Others may take a year or two. But I think the key is progress. The coach needs to show that things are moving in the right direction.

[Win4AU 4,055]

Auburn will probably bring in 20+ guys from the portal starting in December.  Probably won’t bring in a ton of hs kids due to how far behind Auburn already is but a DJ Chester would be nice.  2024 HS class should be great with all the opportunities.  Bring in another strong transfer class and 2025 should be pretty sporty.  
I think Auburn makes a bowl next year.  Even if it’s the Bham bowl that would be a step in the right direction.

[alabastertiger 620]

[alabastertiger 620]

Last one I promise

[TeamZero77 1,789]

6 hours ago, DAG said:

Two years at most in this landscape of college.

I heard a certain sports show host on FS1 recently and he was talking about how Jim Harbaugh has gotten Michigan rolling really good starting last year and now this season as well. He said Harbaugh would've never gotten to this point if he was at an SEC school such as Auburn. He would've been fired after the 3rd or 4th straight year of not beating Ohio State or winning his division of the BIG 10. Harbaugh beat Ohio State in year 7. He also won the BIG 10 in year 7 and made the playoffs in year 7. Now year 8 and he could very well be headed back as he is undefeated. He is quirky but he has a damn good win loss record in the NFL and at San Diego State and Michigan. But he would've never gotten to year 7 in the SEC. 

When Mark Stoops got to 10-3 a few years ago, Gene Chizik was on SEC Network and said "I want to congratulate Kentucky's BOT for a 10 win season. They allowed Stoops the time it takes to build the program the right way. When there were some stumbles and roadblocks along the way, they didn't fire him. I want to thank them for letting him see this program get to 10 wins from the foundation which he had to start with." You could hear it in Chizik's voice that he was speaking about Auburn firing him after his only losing season. 

Look up David Shaw's record at Stanford. He won like 3 PAC 12 titles in a 4 year stretch, as well as winning Rose Bowl's. He won 10, 11 and 12 games per year for the longest but the last 4 years he had had 3, 4 and 5 win seasons. They've kept him and from what I've heard, they haven't discussed letting him go. I know Stanford isn't Auburn but he is 3-5 this year already so it's another dismal season with nothing looking upward for the future. 

We are just getting hammered on social media and everyone outside of the Auburn fanbase looks at us as very impatient everytime we fire a coach. And compared to other schools, we don't go through coaches alot. They just look at Tuberville and Jetgate and then firing him after his first loss to Alabama in 7 years. Then firing Chizik 2 years after a Natty. Then firing Gus after no losing seasons, beating Saban more than any other coach, winning an SEC Title. Harsin they're saying he never had a chance due to boosters not wanting him but that is hogwash. 

When Auburn is brought up nationally, we get looked at as an 8-4 program over the last several decades but we fire coaches because they can't win big really fast or sustain it for many years. An 8-4 program that thinks it should be on par with Alabama, Ohio State, etc. 

I hate that everybody looks at us this way. I know what we're capable of. If we're aligned and all pulling in the same direction, we can do what Georgia and Clemson have been doing. I've seen it. Nobody outside of our fanbase seems to agree.

[DAG 34,043]

51 minutes ago, TeamZero77 said:

I heard a certain sports show host on FS1 recently and he was talking about how Jim Harbaugh has gotten Michigan rolling really good starting last year and now this season as well. He said Harbaugh would've never gotten to this point if he was at an SEC school such as Auburn. He would've been fired after the 3rd or 4th straight year of not beating Ohio State or winning his division of the BIG 10. Harbaugh beat Ohio State in year 7. He also won the BIG 10 in year 7 and made the playoffs in year 7. Now year 8 and he could very well be headed back as he is undefeated. He is quirky but he has a damn good win loss record in the NFL and at San Diego State and Michigan. But he would've never gotten to year 7 in the SEC. 

When Mark Stoops got to 10-3 a few years ago, Gene Chizik was on SEC Network and said "I want to congratulate Kentucky's BOT for a 10 win season. They allowed Stoops the time it takes to build the program the right way. When there were some stumbles and roadblocks along the way, they didn't fire him. I want to thank them for letting him see this program get to 10 wins from the foundation which he had to start with." You could hear it in Chizik's voice that he was speaking about Auburn firing him after his only losing season. 

Look up David Shaw's record at Stanford. He won like 3 PAC 12 titles in a 4 year stretch, as well as winning Rose Bowl's. He won 10, 11 and 12 games per year for the longest but the last 4 years he had had 3, 4 and 5 win seasons. They've kept him and from what I've heard, they haven't discussed letting him go. I know Stanford isn't Auburn but he is 3-5 this year already so it's another dismal season with nothing looking upward for the future. 

We are just getting hammered on social media and everyone outside of the Auburn fanbase looks at us as very impatient everytime we fire a coach. And compared to other schools, we don't go through coaches alot. They just look at Tuberville and Jetgate and then firing him after his first loss to Alabama in 7 years. Then firing Chizik 2 years after a Natty. Then firing Gus after no losing seasons, beating Saban more than any other coach, winning an SEC Title. Harsin they're saying he never had a chance due to boosters not wanting him but that is hogwash. 

When Auburn is brought up nationally, we get looked at as an 8-4 program over the last several decades but we fire coaches because they can't win big really fast or sustain it for many years. An 8-4 program that thinks it should be on par with Alabama, Ohio State, etc. 

I hate that everybody looks at us this way. I know what we're capable of. If we're aligned and all pulling in the same direction, we can do what Georgia and Clemson have been doing. I've seen it. Nobody outside of our fanbase seems to agree.

Simply put , I don’t give an eff what everyone else thinks. 
 

there is a lot more rebuttals I can have to some of this but I will pass. 

[HAYinthemiddleoftheBARN 205]

I'll be patient... meanwhile..."GO CRAZY CADILLAC"!!!  

- that phrase by Rod Bramlett is a classic 

 

[yngwie1995 2,232]

I remember when bama hired Gene Stallings. He went 0-3 in his first 3 games. I still remember some guy calling in and saying "Stallings is a loser". LOL

Of course, it worked out for them.

Edited November 1, 2022 by yngwie1995

[auburnatl1 5,326]

[AU_Canoe 238]

Immediate feedback is not just an Auburn nuance but also SEC and maybe generational. Does anyone think that post-Saban UA will give a new coach 5 years to work things out? SEC is big money and big expectations. The fanbase is ridiculous, I type that with both endearment and that I couldn't work in the environment. 

Expectations for patience during onboarding is understandable but in IRL CEOs, in high producing organizations, are not provided much time to right the ship. I applaud UM and Harbaugh, the media and maybe the fans wanted him gone prior to this year. Maybe Harbaugh is doing something right during his tenure that is tangible; however, UM was not as holistic and forgiving towards Rodriquez. We can feel for those organizations/ADs that appear today to be humanistic until security escorts you out the door, when terminated. Osbourne used to say that NU was all about the family and supporting the neighbor...sounds happy and warm until you look at how Nebraska "hired wild and fired wild". Patience was probably not helping NU.