JMWATS 128 Posted May 17 Share Posted May 17 Cohen wet the bed during his testimony today. Could be key to Trump’s defense. https://www.cnn.com 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasTiger 13,285 Posted May 17 Share Posted May 17 8 minutes ago, JMWATS said: Cohen wet the bed during his testimony today. Could be key to Trump’s defense. https://www.cnn.com Not the first employee to wet the bed for Trump. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoffeeTiger 5,306 Posted May 17 Share Posted May 17 That's going to be a challenge for the prosecution. Almost all their witnesses and people directly knowledgeable about Trump are going to be corrupt, lying scumbags because that's the only type of person that Donald Trump hires and associates with. They don't suddenly become fully honest people just because they turn against Trump later on. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I_M4_AU 8,144 Posted May 17 Share Posted May 17 2 hours ago, CoffeeTiger said: That's going to be a challenge for the prosecution. Almost all their witnesses and people directly knowledgeable about Trump are going to be corrupt, lying scumbags because that's the only type of person that Donald Trump hires and associates with. They don't suddenly become fully honest people just because they turn against Trump later on. You’ve known this for 8 years now. It amazes me that Trump hasn’t been convicted of something in a criminal court. Its like the left isn’t really trying. Get with it man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoffeeTiger 5,306 Posted May 17 Share Posted May 17 (edited) 30 minutes ago, I_M4_AU said: You’ve known this for 8 years now. It amazes me that Trump hasn’t been convicted of something in a criminal court. Its like the left isn’t really trying. Get with it man. We're certainly a lot closer than you guys got with your Hillary "Lock Her Up" Clinton schemes. lol Edited May 17 by CoffeeTiger 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AU9377 5,293 Posted May 17 Share Posted May 17 10 minutes ago, I_M4_AU said: You’ve known this for 8 years now. It amazes me that Trump hasn’t been convicted of something in a criminal court. Its like the left isn’t really trying. Get with it man. He leaves a noticeable wake. This particular prosecution is not related to the Federal Govt in any way, regardless of the lies that the circus of those on the right keep repeating. It is beyond preposterous to claim that Cohen is some great criminal, while not acknowledging that the crimes he committed were at the direction of and to benefit Donald Trump. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasTiger 13,285 Posted May 17 Share Posted May 17 2 hours ago, CoffeeTiger said: That's going to be a challenge for the prosecution. Almost all their witnesses and people directly knowledgeable about Trump are going to be corrupt, lying scumbags because that's the only type of person that Donald Trump hires and associates with. They don't suddenly become fully honest people just because they turn against Trump later on. Like mob bosses. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasTiger 13,285 Posted May 17 Share Posted May 17 8 minutes ago, CoffeeTiger said: We're certainly a lot closer than you guys got with your Hillary "Locker Her Up" Clinton schemes. lol Pizza pedo hoax…🙄 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I_M4_AU 8,144 Posted May 17 Share Posted May 17 28 minutes ago, CoffeeTiger said: We're certainly a lot closer than you guys got with your Hillary "Lock Her Up" Clinton schemes. lol You only think so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I_M4_AU 8,144 Posted May 17 Share Posted May 17 24 minutes ago, AU9377 said: He leaves a noticeable wake. This particular prosecution is not related to the Federal Govt in any way, regardless of the lies that the circus of those on the right keep repeating. It is beyond preposterous to claim that Cohen is some great criminal, while not acknowledging that the crimes he committed were at the direction of and to benefit Donald Trump. Two things; 1, the feds wouldn’t prosecute Trump on this when given the chance. Bragg had to dream up something to make this about a law that was broken in NY. It didn’t work and 2, Cohen isn’t a great criminal because he has admitted to tax fraud and lying to Congress. Now why would Bragg use him as his key witness? Oh, the trial isn’t competed yet so we don’t know if Cohen lied to Congress at the direction and benefit of Trump. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
auburnatl1 5,448 Posted May 17 Share Posted May 17 When your key witnesses are a “fixer” and a porn star… 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasTiger 13,285 Posted May 17 Share Posted May 17 44 minutes ago, I_M4_AU said: You only think so. Hillary’s in jail? 😲🫨🫢 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasTiger 13,285 Posted May 17 Share Posted May 17 31 minutes ago, auburnatl1 said: When your key witnesses are a “fixer” and a porn star… And a tabloid liar— or in other words, his associates. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
auburnatl1 5,448 Posted May 17 Share Posted May 17 11 minutes ago, TexasTiger said: And a tabloid liar— or in other words, his associates. Which is the point and the catch 22. Trumps entire world is composed of compromised personalities or direct family. Checkmate. Slimy but mob world proven. The only way they finally got Capone after countless attempts was simple tax evasion - non subjective math. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AU9377 5,293 Posted May 17 Share Posted May 17 (edited) 1 hour ago, I_M4_AU said: Two things; 1, the feds wouldn’t prosecute Trump on this when given the chance. Bragg had to dream up something to make this about a law that was broken in NY. It didn’t work and 2, Cohen isn’t a great criminal because he has admitted to tax fraud and lying to Congress. Now why would Bragg use him as his key witness? Oh, the trial isn’t competed yet so we don’t know if Cohen lied to Congress at the direction and benefit of Trump. I agree. I have always believed that this should have been brought by the DOJ or not brought at all. That said, you and I both know that the crimes Cohen spent time in prison for are the crimes that he committed for and at the direction of Donald Trump. To claim otherwise is silly. You can make the argument that neither should be prosecuted for their actions. I am fine with that, just don't pretend that one is not connected to the other/. This is the same man that went around the country encouraging chants of "lock her up" directed at Hillary Clinton. He apparently believes that karma is afraid of him. Edited May 17 by AU9377 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I_M4_AU 8,144 Posted May 17 Share Posted May 17 1 hour ago, AU9377 said: This is the same man that went around the country encouraging chants of "lock her up" directed at Hillary Clinton. He apparently believes that karma is afraid of him. Yes he did, however, when he got in office he didn’t follow through. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasTiger 13,285 Posted May 17 Share Posted May 17 1 hour ago, I_M4_AU said: Yes he did, however, when he got in office he didn’t follow through. That whole lack of prosecutable offense thing caught up with his dreams and aspirations. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I_M4_AU 8,144 Posted May 17 Share Posted May 17 6 minutes ago, TexasTiger said: That whole lack of prosecutable offense thing caught up with his dreams and aspirations. But, some how Biden didn’t let that bother him, did he. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cardin Drake 1,930 Posted May 17 Share Posted May 17 3 hours ago, AU9377 said: I agree. I have always believed that this should have been brought by the DOJ or not brought at all. That said, you and I both know that the crimes Cohen spent time in prison for are the crimes that he committed for and at the direction of Donald Trump. To claim otherwise is silly. You can make the argument that neither should be prosecuted for their actions. I am fine with that, just don't pretend that one is not connected to the other/. This is the same man that went around the country encouraging chants of "lock her up" directed at Hillary Clinton. He apparently believes that karma is afraid of him. This ill-informed opinion is exactly why they thought prosecuting Trump for this nonsense is a good idea. Even with an acquittal or a hung jury, they are counting on folks thinking like this. The truth is Cohen was convicted for crimes Trump had absolutely nothing to do with, most notably evading millions in income tax, and lying on bank loan application forms. The DOJ gave him a sweetheart deal to also plead guilty to campaign finance violations, which was the least of his criminal offenses. He exceeded campaign limits when he made the 130K payment that Trump re-reimbursed him for. Ironically, that limit does not apply to Trump since it was his own campaign. Even now after the prosecution has rested, nobody can say exactly what crimes Trump is alleged to have committed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AU9377 5,293 Posted May 17 Share Posted May 17 37 minutes ago, Cardin Drake said: This ill-informed opinion is exactly why they thought prosecuting Trump for this nonsense is a good idea. Even with an acquittal or a hung jury, they are counting on folks thinking like this. The truth is Cohen was convicted for crimes Trump had absolutely nothing to do with, most notably evading millions in income tax, and lying on bank loan application forms. The DOJ gave him a sweetheart deal to also plead guilty to campaign finance violations, which was the least of his criminal offenses. He exceeded campaign limits when he made the 130K payment that Trump re-reimbursed him for. Ironically, that limit does not apply to Trump since it was his own campaign. Even now after the prosecution has rested, nobody can say exactly what crimes Trump is alleged to have committed. I will make it really simple for ya. He pleaded guilty to two separate crimes that were committed on behalf of Donald Trump. He was sentenced to 5 years for each of those. Like I said in my original comment, if these charges were to be brought, the DOJ should have brought them, not the State of New York. They would have never uncovered any of the other tax charges but for the investigation surrounding paying off women he had affairs with. I'm fine not charging either of them, but we don't have to pretend that Trump is some innocent victim of the justice system. He is anything but that. https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/pr/michael-cohen-pleads-guilty-manhattan-federal-court-eight-counts-including-criminal-tax 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AU9377 5,293 Posted May 17 Share Posted May 17 1 hour ago, I_M4_AU said: But, some how Biden didn’t let that bother him, did he. You are comparing apples to air planes trying to find a similarity. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cardin Drake 1,930 Posted May 18 Share Posted May 18 5 hours ago, AU9377 said: I will make it really simple for ya. He pleaded guilty to two separate crimes that were committed on behalf of Donald Trump. He was sentenced to 5 years for each of those. Like I said in my original comment, if these charges were to be brought, the DOJ should have brought them, not the State of New York. They would have never uncovered any of the other tax charges but for the investigation surrounding paying off women he had affairs with. I'm fine not charging either of them, but we don't have to pretend that Trump is some innocent victim of the justice system. He is anything but that. https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/pr/michael-cohen-pleads-guilty-manhattan-federal-court-eight-counts-including-criminal-tax Cohen was sentenced to 3 years total. He could have gotten 30 years for bank fraud and 5 for income tax evasion, hiding more than 4 million dollars in income. His sweetheart deal was for flipping on Trump. Unfortunately for the DOJ, Trump himself didn't do anything illegal. His campaign finance violations did not apply to Trump, or you can be sure they would have been charged. If you read the original post, there is a lot of detail about that. You are right about one thing though, Cohen would never have been charged with anything had the DOJ not been frantically going after everybody in Trump's orbit to try to get to Trump. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AU9377 5,293 Posted May 18 Share Posted May 18 1 hour ago, Cardin Drake said: Cohen was sentenced to 3 years total. He could have gotten 30 years for bank fraud and 5 for income tax evasion, hiding more than 4 million dollars in income. His sweetheart deal was for flipping on Trump. Unfortunately for the DOJ, Trump himself didn't do anything illegal. His campaign finance violations did not apply to Trump, or you can be sure they would have been charged. If you read the original post, there is a lot of detail about that. You are right about one thing though, Cohen would never have been charged with anything had the DOJ not been frantically going after everybody in Trump's orbit to try to get to Trump. What did John Edward’s do when he was charged by the DOJ? He was found not guilty, but it is the same statute. The DOJ decided not to charge Trump, yet you all act as though Biden is somehow behind the charges. If Trump gets back in the White House, he will appoint some puppet that will actually use the DOJ for Trumps personal agendas. We will see chaos and mass resignations as he attempts to destroy every guardrail in his way. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I_M4_AU 8,144 Posted May 18 Share Posted May 18 6 hours ago, AU9377 said: If Trump gets back in the White House, he will appoint some puppet that will actually use the DOJ for Trumps personal agendas. We will see chaos and mass resignations as he attempts to destroy every guardrail in his way. Oh, the irony. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aubiefifty 17,339 Posted May 18 Share Posted May 18 i thought i read where cohen had audio recordings of trump doing a nono? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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