vatz22au 142 Posted April 6, 2006 Share Posted April 6, 2006 What good is a "so called best in the SEC" (according to BG) backfield when you have a bunch of women for an O-line? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUslug 1 Posted April 7, 2006 Share Posted April 7, 2006 What good is a "so called best in the SEC" (according to BG) backfield when you have a bunch of women for an O-line? 229285[/snapback] Ugly women too, have you seen Britt? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CircleDrill 178 Posted April 7, 2006 Share Posted April 7, 2006 Sorry, guys but I have to disagree with the AU fans and side with BG here. IF Bama's Oline would have been bigger last year, and IF they would not have given up 27 sacks to other teams and 11 sacks to Auburn, and IF they had been better at blocking, and IF Darby had gotten more carries, and IF Bama had not had to punt so much because of an inept offense, and IF Bama had a better offensive plan, and IF they had been able to move the ball in the last half of the season instead of squeaking out a field goal late in the 4th quarter of games... then he is right on that Darby would be the best RB in the SEC. Since football is an individual sport and not a team sport, he is exactly right. Heck, Darby might win a solo MNC #13 this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quietfan 233 Posted April 7, 2006 Author Share Posted April 7, 2006 Since football is an individual sport and not a team sport, he is exactly right. Heck, Darby might win a solo MNC #13 this year. 229492[/snapback] Hey, don't be silly--you know at Bama they always play for the team and not the individual...that's why they've never had one Heisman trophy winner to Auburn's two! [unless of course you count "moral" Heisman victories, in which case you have to count Darby, Shaun Alexander, Brodie, and almost every high schoool QB they've ever signed. ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GalensGhost 0 Posted April 7, 2006 Share Posted April 7, 2006 Of course you wouldnt you are an AU fan. There's only about 2 people here who last year said they would have Tyrone Prothro on their team. 228936[/snapback] Reading back, I think this should be addressed. Tyrone Prothro is a nice kid and a decent receiver. His entire rep was built on one fortuitous catch in one game. Had Prothro suited up in orange and blue a season ago, you might never have heard of him. He would not have cracked the offensive lineup with Devin, Ben, Courtney, Anthony and Prechae ahead of him. His only contribution might have been on special teams where he would have been able to move ahead of Tre on punt returns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarTim 3,456 Posted April 7, 2006 Share Posted April 7, 2006 Of course you wouldnt you are an AU fan. There's only about 2 people here who last year said they would have Tyrone Prothro on their team. 228936[/snapback] Reading back, I think this should be addressed. Tyrone Prothro is a nice kid and a decent receiver. His entire rep was built on one fortuitous catch in one game. Had Prothro suited up in orange and blue a season ago, you might never have heard of him. He would not have cracked the offensive lineup with Devin, Ben, Courtney, Anthony and Prechae ahead of him. His only contribution might have been on special teams where he would have been able to move ahead of Tre on punt returns. 229594[/snapback] Bingo! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AWK 0 Posted April 7, 2006 Share Posted April 7, 2006 Of course you wouldnt you are an AU fan. There's only about 2 people here who last year said they would have Tyrone Prothro on their team. 228936[/snapback] Reading back, I think this should be addressed. Tyrone Prothro is a nice kid and a decent receiver. His entire rep was built on one fortuitous catch in one game. Had Prothro suited up in orange and blue a season ago, you might never have heard of him. He would not have cracked the offensive lineup with Devin, Ben, Courtney, Anthony and Prechae ahead of him. His only contribution might have been on special teams where he would have been able to move ahead of Tre on punt returns. 229594[/snapback] Ehhhh, I'd say he woulda been able to start at wide receiver, he is a very talented player. Now, would he have been 100% of Auburns offensive production, like he was at UAT, of course not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BamaGrad03 0 Posted April 7, 2006 Share Posted April 7, 2006 Of course you wouldnt you are an AU fan. There's only about 2 people here who last year said they would have Tyrone Prothro on their team. 228936[/snapback] Reading back, I think this should be addressed. Tyrone Prothro is a nice kid and a decent receiver. His entire rep was built on one fortuitous catch in one game. Had Prothro suited up in orange and blue a season ago, you might never have heard of him. He would not have cracked the offensive lineup with Devin, Ben, Courtney, Anthony and Prechae ahead of him. His only contribution might have been on special teams where he would have been able to move ahead of Tre on punt returns. 229594[/snapback] Typical response. Head in the sand...has alabama ever, in the history of their program, had a player better than ANYONE who's played for AU? btw, if he's so average...why did he ABUSE Auburn in 2004? Did you even SEE the florida game this past year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nay4AU 2 Posted April 7, 2006 Share Posted April 7, 2006 btw, if he's so average...why did he ABUSE Auburn in 2004? 4 catches for 42 yards doesn’t qualify as abuse to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BamaGrad03 0 Posted April 7, 2006 Share Posted April 7, 2006 btw, if he's so average...why did he ABUSE Auburn in 2004? 4 catches for 42 yards doesn’t qualify as abuse to me. 229633[/snapback] We all know spencer pennington sucked...but what about the 2 punt returns for 65 yards? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BamaGrad03 0 Posted April 7, 2006 Share Posted April 7, 2006 Ironically...Tyrone's 17 catches for 325 yards (3 TDs) would have been good enough for 3rd overall on AUs team this year and only 34 yards behind your #2. And he only played 5 freaking games! Lets not forget his 19.1 yds per catch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarTim 3,456 Posted April 7, 2006 Share Posted April 7, 2006 Wow! Back to back posts from bg on the same thread. I think we have struck a nerve! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nay4AU 2 Posted April 7, 2006 Share Posted April 7, 2006 btw, if he's so average...why did he ABUSE Auburn in 2004? 4 catches for 42 yards doesn’t qualify as abuse to me. 229633[/snapback] We all know spencer pennington sucked...but what about the 2 punt returns for 65 yards? 229636[/snapback] Even with the 65 return yards factored in he didn’t ABUSE Auburn. However, I’m not denying he had a good game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GalensGhost 0 Posted April 7, 2006 Share Posted April 7, 2006 Ehhhh, I'd say he woulda been able to start at wide receiver, he is a very talented player. Now, would he have been 100% of Auburns offensive production, like he was at UAT, of course not. 229628[/snapback] Who would he have started over? Devin? No. Ben? Nope. Courtney? Not a chance. Anthony? Don't think so. Prechae? Perhaps. But Prechae didn't start. Moot. Seriously, AWK. Which of those top four would he have displaced? He would have been a punt returner and an option off the bench. Not being negative, just honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GalensGhost 0 Posted April 7, 2006 Share Posted April 7, 2006 btw, if he's so average...why did he ABUSE Auburn in 2004? 4 catches for 42 yards doesn’t qualify as abuse to me. 229633[/snapback] We all know spencer pennington sucked...but what about the 2 punt returns for 65 yards? 229636[/snapback] DING, DING, DING! We have a winner. Prothro -- as I clearly said -- would have been a punt returner and not a starting receiver. Thanks for backing me up, BG. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BamaGrad03 0 Posted April 7, 2006 Share Posted April 7, 2006 btw, if he's so average...why did he ABUSE Auburn in 2004? 4 catches for 42 yards doesn’t qualify as abuse to me. 229633[/snapback] We all know spencer pennington sucked...but what about the 2 punt returns for 65 yards? 229636[/snapback] DING, DING, DING! We have a winner. Prothro -- as I clearly said -- would have been a punt returner and not a starting receiver. Thanks for backing me up, BG. 229657[/snapback] Why did you skirt the other data I produced after that? I mean...through 5 games Pro was demolishing all your receivers...and ended up 3rd on your team even with our dismal offense. IN ADDITION to what he brings to the table as a punt and kick returner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vatz22au 142 Posted April 8, 2006 Share Posted April 8, 2006 Again bg... As I stress.... what good is your so called, " best in the SEC backfield," (we've only heard of darby buddy) when your o-line at best can only block the likes of richard simmons? I congratulate you on a ten win season....but we all know that was a couple of football bounces away from a big loss season: Ole Miss, Tenn., hell if your defense wasn't producing Miss St., Southern Miss, etc.... Believe me, your o-line is a huge weakness...and it wont be better given a couple of months...Try 1-2 years.... Then to Prothro.... the kid is a very good athlete and a nice guy with alot of potential....but after that injury, I will be damned if he even makes the starting line up again....Ever hear of Antonio Carter?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GalensGhost 0 Posted April 8, 2006 Share Posted April 8, 2006 btw, if he's so average...why did he ABUSE Auburn in 2004? 4 catches for 42 yards doesn’t qualify as abuse to me. 229633[/snapback] We all know spencer pennington sucked...but what about the 2 punt returns for 65 yards? 229636[/snapback] DING, DING, DING! We have a winner. Prothro -- as I clearly said -- would have been a punt returner and not a starting receiver. Thanks for backing me up, BG. 229657[/snapback] Why did you skirt the other data I produced after that? I mean...through 5 games Pro was demolishing all your receivers...and ended up 3rd on your team even with our dismal offense. IN ADDITION to what he brings to the table as a punt and kick returner. 229664[/snapback] Demolishing? There's nothing to skirt, BG. Your justifications aren't worth pondering. Could anybody else on the Tide roster catch a ball if it hit them in the hands? Uhh.... no. Auburn had five recievers who were better than Prothro. Put any of the five on the Tide team, make them the ONLY option and they'd have a gazillion yards too. Put Prothro on Auburn where he's the fifth option off the bench and he's got one catch for 11 yards in the fourth quarter against Ball State. This reminds me of how Georgia fans justify Walker being the best back of all time -- mind you, I'm not comparing Prothro to Walker, little P isn't within sniffing distance of Hersch. Georgia fans look at one thing -- total yards -- and make that the be all and end all for Herschel. He had more yards because he carried the ball more times and didn't share a backfield with two future NFL stalwarts. And in this case, Herschel was good, good enough to have an argument. Prothro was fair. And that'about all. Prothro had more yards because Alabama's offense (and if you look back I TOLD you this prior to his injury) consisted of an incompletion, a run and Brodie dropping back and slinging it as far as he could. Every three or four of those, Prothro would get a catch. Wow. Just wow. He was a decent receiver. He would NOT have cracked Auburn's starting lineup except as a punt return specialist. I think even Coach Knox would tell you that without flinching. And just for the record, BG, you really shouldn't talk about anyone "abusing" anyone else when the scoreboard reflected something entirely different. Maybe you remember 2004. Auburn went undefeated. Alabama... did not. Abused? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GalensGhost 0 Posted April 8, 2006 Share Posted April 8, 2006 And while I'm at it, BG, let me help you out with a little statistical information regarding the running back situation, since you were so confused about that. Try this link Give that link above a try. You'll see that Auburn has four of the top 31 backs in the SEC returning. Alabama has one in that group. You'll also see that Carl Stewart as well as Ben Obomanu are above either McClain or Castille on this list. If you can look at that list and still pretend Bama has the best returning backfield, you really are a deluded Kool Aid drinker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freebody 0 Posted April 8, 2006 Share Posted April 8, 2006 btw, if he's so average...why did he ABUSE Auburn in 2004? 4 catches for 42 yards doesn’t qualify as abuse to me. 229633[/snapback] We all know spencer pennington sucked...but what about the 2 punt returns for 65 yards? 229636[/snapback] DING, DING, DING! We have a winner. Prothro -- as I clearly said -- would have been a punt returner and not a starting receiver. Thanks for backing me up, BG. 229657[/snapback] Why did you skirt the other data I produced after that? I mean...through 5 games Pro was demolishing all your receivers...and ended up 3rd on your team even with our dismal offense. IN ADDITION to what he brings to the table as a punt and kick returner. 229664[/snapback] By "Pro", I asume you mean Prothro (sort of confusing, since you have evidently had a few professional players recently ) Anyway, I don't see how Prothro "demolished" Auburn's receivers. The reason he was on a pace to have more yardage and more catches than most of Auburn's receivers is because Auburn's offense did not need to (or have to) rely so heavily on one playmaker. Through five games, Prothro had about 22% of the catches (17 out of 79) and about 26% of the yards (325 out of 1251). After his injury, most of the downfield catches were by Hall and Brown only, with Darby getting his catches presumably by dump-offs and screens, since he had a lot of catches with relatively few yards - no one else on their team had a comparably significant number of catches on the season. Auburn had 5 guys over 20 catches each versus 3 for Bama, and five over 200 yards each, versus 3 for Bama. Auburn had more yards overall, but since Auburn's offense was more effective at using all of the playmakers on a roster with more weapons, the catches, carries, and yards are more evenly distributed. Obomanu had the most catches (only 17% of total), and Aromashodu had the most yards (only 19% of total). And 19 yards per catch for Prothro? Aromashodu had 19 as well, while Prechae Rodriguez and Rodriques Smith were over 18 each, and Brad Lester and Lee Guess were over 17 ypc with limited catches. One of the reasons Prothro looked so good for Bama is because most everyone else they had was not so good. He would not have stood out like that on Auburn's team, which I think is the whole point of GG's argument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BamaGrad03 0 Posted April 8, 2006 Share Posted April 8, 2006 Yeah...i guess he was all we had... I mean DJ Hall only had 676 yards and 5 TDs Keith Brown 642 yards (18.9 avg) and 4 TDs Im sure those guys suck too. Your top two WRs had 357 and 494 yards respectively. AAAAAND DJ hall missed 2 games and KB missed 1. To say Tyrone wouldnt start (or even play WR) for AU is such a homer call. MOST of tyrone's yards were yac yards...so to suggest he was just catching "hail mary" passes everytime is laughable as well. He was all of our offense? Maybe so...but if he's ALL we have and he still cant be stopped...shouldnt that tell you something? Game 1: Keith Brown 84 yards (tyrone 13 yds behind caddell, knight, and castille) Game 2: Prothro 134 yards (and the play of the year). DJ Hall had 130 yards on 5 grabs. (funny all ive heard is Pro was the only thing we had in that game) Game 3: Keith Brown 91 yards. DJ Hall 41 yards. Prothro 1 catch -4 yards (but 3 rushes for 64 yards) Game 4: DJ Hall 54 yards. Tyrone 48. Game 5: Pro 134 yards. Keith Brown 83. Leron 40 yds. You guys are right...Pro was all we had...no wonder he had inflated numbers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthLink02 8 Posted April 8, 2006 Share Posted April 8, 2006 Georgia fans look at one thing -- total yards -- and make that the be all and end all for Herschel. He had more yards because he carried the ball more times and didn't share a backfield with two future NFL stalwarts. What is wrong with that? Walker had NO QB whatsoever. Ran just about the same play EVERY TIME. Yet still had the incredible yards and TD's in huge games for us, which to me makes everything he did even more insane. Bo was the better athlete...I have never denied that...but total college RB wise, I think Walker was the better RB. I agree, UGA fans do use that and rightfully so...just because he had more carries thus more yards doesn't make our argument any less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GalensGhost 0 Posted April 8, 2006 Share Posted April 8, 2006 I agree, UGA fans do use that and rightfully so...just because he had more carries thus more yards doesn't make our argument any less. 229726[/snapback] No it doesn't. But it's only one way to look at it. All men are made great (or brought low) in part by circumstance. Walker happened on Georgia at a place and time that allowed him to thrive. He was a great RB, no doubt. I saw them both (Bo and Herschel) play in person. I watched them as often as possible on television. I've never seen two better college backs. They were each different yet in many ways very much the same. I personally think Bo was the better of the two. I can provide statistical evidence out the wahzoo to "prove" my point. You, I'm sure, think Herschel was better. You can provide a similar mountain of evidence to "prove" yours. I've got no problem with that. Neither of us is right. Neither is wrong. Prothro, however? Not so much. BG's silly insistence that the kid was all world based on a few throwaway early season games is just absurd. I was just using the Herschel-Bo argument to make a point that you can't just take a raw number like that and make a realistic evaluation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthLink02 8 Posted April 9, 2006 Share Posted April 9, 2006 I would agree with that. Sadly, I never got to see either in person. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarTiger 3,910 Posted April 9, 2006 Share Posted April 9, 2006 Yeah...i guess he was all we had...I mean DJ Hall only had 676 yards and 5 TDs Keith Brown 642 yards (18.9 avg) and 4 TDs Im sure those guys suck too. Your top two WRs had 357 and 494 yards respectively. AAAAAND DJ hall missed 2 games and KB missed 1. To say Tyrone wouldnt start (or even play WR) for AU is such a homer call. MOST of tyrone's yards were yac yards...so to suggest he was just catching "hail mary" passes everytime is laughable as well. He was all of our offense? Maybe so...but if he's ALL we have and he still cant be stopped...shouldnt that tell you something? Game 1: Keith Brown 84 yards (tyrone 13 yds behind caddell, knight, and castille) Game 2: Prothro 134 yards (and the play of the year). DJ Hall had 130 yards on 5 grabs. (funny all ive heard is Pro was the only thing we had in that game) Game 3: Keith Brown 91 yards. DJ Hall 41 yards. Prothro 1 catch -4 yards (but 3 rushes for 64 yards) Game 4: DJ Hall 54 yards. Tyrone 48. Game 5: Pro 134 yards. Keith Brown 83. Leron 40 yds. You guys are right...Pro was all we had...no wonder he had inflated numbers. 229720[/snapback] As usual, BG only gives part of the picture. Sure those two scrubs had more yards, however, they also both had more receptions. I would certainly hope they had more yards since they caught the ball more...DUH.... Now, on the flip side, they both had more catches, yet they are EQUAL in TD's to our top receivers with LESS catches. Wonder why that is? I'll tell you why. UAT's offense was TERRIBLE. Our recievers (as a group) found the Endzone 19 times, UAT's little group found the endzone 16 times. UAT's receiver production: Games Catches Yards AVG. TD's LONG Avg. Game 12 209 2597 12.4 16 87 216.4 Auburns Receiver production: Games Catches Yards AVG. TD's LONG AVg. Game 12 195 2589 13.3 19 62 215.8 So, your receivers managed a whopping 8 yards more with 14 more catches and FEWER TD's... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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