AU alum 2 Posted July 9, 2008 Share Posted July 9, 2008 This was at the Montgomery Kiwanis Club. "In his first public comments since the Jimmy Johns arrest, WSFA 12 Sports reporter Derek Steyer asked him if there was anything he or the coaching staff can do to prevent incidents like that in the future. The following is Nick Saban's response. "The only thing that we can continue to do is to continue to have programs that build character in our program. We have an extension drug testing program right now. We do alot of character development type stuff. We have a sport psychiatrist a sports psychologist. WE have a learning institute that came in this summer that does a character development and self image class that our entire team is involved in. There are two things that we can do to improve our program. We have to improve the level of performance in the players that we have, in terms of developing them as people and as football players. The judgement they use off the field is going to carry on off the field. We have to recruit better players, and have a plan to develop them. That is certainly what we are going to continue to try to do." When he said that about character development, I thought I'd fall on the floor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prowler 1 Posted July 9, 2008 Share Posted July 9, 2008 SO......When does any of the crimson $abears actually go to class, what with all the Sport Psychiatrists, Sport Psychologists, Character Development Classes, and Self Image Classes? Are those on the curriculum at uat? And, what kind of players is $abear bringing to uat....Geez, "Aight guys, we just signed the hardest hitting man on the planet and he's a mastermind at breaking down the opposition, but we'll need to work with him a little bit....Oh yeah, his name is Hannibal Lector....So, everyone try to keep an eye out for him, make sure he doesn't get into any trouble." LMAO!!! "The judgement they use off the field is going to carry on.....umm....uhhh....off the field, aight?" AAHHAHAHAHA "We have to recruit better players and have a plan to develop them"....WOW, Really? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasTiger 12,993 Posted July 9, 2008 Share Posted July 9, 2008 This was at the Montgomery Kiwanis Club. "In his first public comments since the Jimmy Johns arrest, WSFA 12 Sports reporter Derek Steyer asked him if there was anything he or the coaching staff can do to prevent incidents like that in the future. The following is Nick Saban's response. "The only thing that we can continue to do is to continue to have programs that build character in our program. We have an extension drug testing program right now. We do alot of character development type stuff. We have a sport psychiatrist a sports psychologist. WE have a learning institute that came in this summer that does a character development and self image class that our entire team is involved in. There are two things that we can do to improve our program. We have to improve the level of performance in the players that we have, in terms of developing them as people and as football players. The judgement they use off the field is going to carry on off the field. We have to recruit better players, and have a plan to develop them. That is certainly what we are going to continue to try to do." When he said that about character development, I thought I'd fall on the floor. That's "character development type stuff..." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DKW 86 7,438 Posted July 9, 2008 Share Posted July 9, 2008 Anyone else feel like that was just sort of an '"add on" idea rather than a real working policy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PChamp119 96 Posted July 9, 2008 Share Posted July 9, 2008 So if they have an extensive drug testing program, then they knew that JJ was doin crack... or they are morons... either way, that's just bad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auburn 6 101 Posted July 9, 2008 Share Posted July 9, 2008 So if they have an extensive drug testing program, then they knew that JJ was doin crack... or they are morons... either way, that's just bad maybe he wasn't using, just dealing. you know, that way he would have more to sell to undercover agents Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DKW 86 7,438 Posted July 9, 2008 Share Posted July 9, 2008 So if they have an extensive drug testing program, then they knew that JJ was doin crack... or they are morons... either way, that's just bad It's amazing the questions that reporters DONT ASK THESE DAYS... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quietfan 233 Posted July 9, 2008 Share Posted July 9, 2008 So if they have an extensive drug testing program, then they knew that JJ was doin crack... or they are morons... either way, that's just bad maybe he wasn't using, just dealing. you know, that way he would have more to sell to undercover agents Certainly smart dealers don't get hooked on their own product, there's no profit in that. But I'd wager many if not most use it on occasion "recreationally", and sometimes users try to finance their habit by selling a little on the side. ...by the way, JJ was busted for selling powder cocaine, not crack...I don't know anything about his personal use habits, however. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
auwallace 6 Posted July 9, 2008 Share Posted July 9, 2008 This was at the Montgomery Kiwanis Club. "In his first public comments since the Jimmy Johns arrest, WSFA 12 Sports reporter Derek Steyer asked him if there was anything he or the coaching staff can do to prevent incidents like that in the future. The following is Nick Saban's response. "The only thing that we can continue to do is to continue to have programs that build character in our program. We have an extension drug testing program right now. We do alot of character development type stuff. We have a sport psychiatrist a sports psychologist. WE have a learning institute that came in this summer that does a character development and self image class that our entire team is involved in. There are two things that we can do to improve our program. We have to improve the level of performance in the players that we have, in terms of developing them as people and as football players. The judgement they use off the field is going to carry on off the field. We have to recruit better players, and have a plan to develop them. That is certainly what we are going to continue to try to do." When he said that about character development, I thought I'd fall on the floor. What a Boob! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WAR-MATT 2 Posted July 9, 2008 Share Posted July 9, 2008 SO......When does any of the crimson $abears actually go to class, what with all the Sport Psychiatrists, Sport Psychologists, Character Development Classes, and Self Image Classes? Are those on the curriculum at uat? And, what kind of players is $abear bringing to uat....Geez, "Aight guys, we just signed the hardest hitting man on the planet and he's a mastermind at breaking down the opposition, but we'll need to work with him a little bit....Oh yeah, his name is Hannibal Lector....So, everyone try to keep an eye out for him, make sure he doesn't get into any trouble." LMAO!!! "The judgement they use off the field is going to carry on.....umm....uhhh....off the field, aight?" AAHHAHAHAHA "We have to recruit better players and have a plan to develop them"....WOW, Really? The big question is does this count against the allotted time they can spend with the players? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FootballFanatic 4 Posted July 9, 2008 Share Posted July 9, 2008 So if they have an extensive drug testing program, then they knew that JJ was doin crack... or they are morons... either way, that's just bad Learn to read my friend. He didn't say extensive. He said extension. Its a program to extend their drug use. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prowler 1 Posted July 9, 2008 Share Posted July 9, 2008 Are all of these classes available for the Rest of the Students? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WAR-MATT 2 Posted July 9, 2008 Share Posted July 9, 2008 Are all of these classes available for the Rest of the Students? you know the answer to that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quietfan 233 Posted July 10, 2008 Share Posted July 10, 2008 Anyone else feel like that was just sort of an '"add on" idea rather than a real working policy? ...or at the very least, an admission that the regular coaching staff is incapable of developing character and controling players on their own...they have to bring in "specialists". I'd rather have a coach that teaches Sunday School than one that has to bring in doctors and "Learning Institutes" to teach "character". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DKW 86 7,438 Posted July 10, 2008 Share Posted July 10, 2008 Anyone else feel like that was just sort of an '"add on" idea rather than a real working policy? ...or at the very least, an admission that the regular coaching staff is incapable of developing character and controling players on their own...they have to bring in "specialists". I'd rather have a coach that teaches Sunday School than one that has to bring in doctors and "Learning Institutes" to teach "character". Post of the Day. Succinct and to the point! Looked at that way, it really is very sad. It's kind of like they have taken God out of the mix for the human condiditon and now are trying to add his attributes back in without having God involved. This is society in the 21st Century, This is doomed to fail. You either have character or not. "Acting" like you have character is just another way of "pretending to have" character. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bama My Heart 5 Posted July 10, 2008 Share Posted July 10, 2008 Anyone else feel like that was just sort of an '"add on" idea rather than a real working policy? ...or at the very least, an admission that the regular coaching staff is incapable of developing character and controling players on their own...they have to bring in "specialists". I'd rather have a coach that teaches Sunday School than one that has to bring in doctors and "Learning Institutes" to teach "character". I agree with this in many ways, because I am of the old school where I believe that the players can use a spiritual leader. I feel that is one thing that has helped Auburn, because they have provided a person that the players can go to and discuss things that have nothing to do with football or academics, but I am afraid that in this day and time that is just not politically correct. In every aspect of our kids lives people have tried to remove religion, and I believe that we are paying the price for that. I tease that Coach Saban is basically a Yankee and just doesn't understand our "Southern Baptist" ways and doesn't know that these kids need a basic down to earth person to talk with, and not a specialist. They need someone that knows where the kids came from, and what they are going through and can be there for the player to talk to when he has been faced with temptation and not be judged but advised. I do believe that Coach Saban wants to help his players, and he wants a bright future for them, but I don't think that he sees it as simply as I do. He makes it more complex with specialists and people that are supposed to build character. I just don't believe at this age that you can build character. It is either there and you can build on it and add to it, or it is not there and it's not a whole lot that you can do about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Proud Tiger 4,261 Posted July 10, 2008 Share Posted July 10, 2008 Anyone else feel like that was just sort of an '"add on" idea rather than a real working policy? ...or at the very least, an admission that the regular coaching staff is incapable of developing character and controling players on their own...they have to bring in "specialists". I'd rather have a coach that teaches Sunday School than one that has to bring in doctors and "Learning Institutes" to teach "character". I agree with this in many ways, because I am of the old school where I believe that the players can use a spiritual leader. I feel that is one thing that has helped Auburn, because they have provided a person that the players can go to and discuss things that have nothing to do with football or academics, but I am afraid that in this day and time that is just not politically correct. In every aspect of our kids lives people have tried to remove religion, and I believe that we are paying the price for that. I tease that Coach Saban is basically a Yankee and just doesn't understand our "Southern Baptist" ways and doesn't know that these kids need a basic down to earth person to talk with, and not a specialist. They need someone that knows where the kids came from, and what they are going through and can be there for the player to talk to when he has been faced with temptation and not be judged but advised. I do believe that Coach Saban wants to help his players, and he wants a bright future for them, but I don't think that he sees it as simply as I do. He makes it more complex with specialists and people that are supposed to build character. I just don't believe at this age that you can build character. It is either there and you can build on it and add to it, or it is not there and it's not a whole lot that you can do about it. Good, honest post BMH. However, I disagree with you that you can't build character. Look at what Chette Williams has done at Auburn as chaplain. If you are not familiar, get his book and read it. You will see how his own life was turned around and how he has helped other players. God can, and does, change people thru folks like Chette. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WAR-MATT 2 Posted July 10, 2008 Share Posted July 10, 2008 Anyone else feel like that was just sort of an '"add on" idea rather than a real working policy? ...or at the very least, an admission that the regular coaching staff is incapable of developing character and controling players on their own...they have to bring in "specialists". I'd rather have a coach that teaches Sunday School than one that has to bring in doctors and "Learning Institutes" to teach "character". I agree with this in many ways, because I am of the old school where I believe that the players can use a spiritual leader. I feel that is one thing that has helped Auburn, because they have provided a person that the players can go to and discuss things that have nothing to do with football or academics, but I am afraid that in this day and time that is just not politically correct. In every aspect of our kids lives people have tried to remove religion, and I believe that we are paying the price for that. I tease that Coach Saban is basically a Yankee and just doesn't understand our "Southern Baptist" ways and doesn't know that these kids need a basic down to earth person to talk with, and not a specialist. They need someone that knows where the kids came from, and what they are going through and can be there for the player to talk to when he has been faced with temptation and not be judged but advised. I do believe that Coach Saban wants to help his players, and he wants a bright future for them, but I don't think that he sees it as simply as I do. He makes it more complex with specialists and people that are supposed to build character. I just don't believe at this age that you can build character. It is either there and you can build on it and add to it, or it is not there and it's not a whole lot that you can do about it. You guys did have one in Jeremiah Castille but guess who ran him off? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bama My Heart 5 Posted July 10, 2008 Share Posted July 10, 2008 Anyone else feel like that was just sort of an '"add on" idea rather than a real working policy? ...or at the very least, an admission that the regular coaching staff is incapable of developing character and controling players on their own...they have to bring in "specialists". I'd rather have a coach that teaches Sunday School than one that has to bring in doctors and "Learning Institutes" to teach "character". I agree with this in many ways, because I am of the old school where I believe that the players can use a spiritual leader. I feel that is one thing that has helped Auburn, because they have provided a person that the players can go to and discuss things that have nothing to do with football or academics, but I am afraid that in this day and time that is just not politically correct. In every aspect of our kids lives people have tried to remove religion, and I believe that we are paying the price for that. I tease that Coach Saban is basically a Yankee and just doesn't understand our "Southern Baptist" ways and doesn't know that these kids need a basic down to earth person to talk with, and not a specialist. They need someone that knows where the kids came from, and what they are going through and can be there for the player to talk to when he has been faced with temptation and not be judged but advised. I do believe that Coach Saban wants to help his players, and he wants a bright future for them, but I don't think that he sees it as simply as I do. He makes it more complex with specialists and people that are supposed to build character. I just don't believe at this age that you can build character. It is either there and you can build on it and add to it, or it is not there and it's not a whole lot that you can do about it. Good, honest post BMH. However, I disagree with you that you can't build character. Look at what Chette Williams has done at Auburn as chaplain. If you are not familiar, get his book and read it. You will see how his own life was turned around and how he has helped other players. God can, and does, change people thru folks like Chette. But don't you think that he had good character to begin with, and thru God he was able to build on it. I kn ow some of these players were taught better, and that their mothers/fathers(a lot of time a single mother) tried their best, but the guys just didn't learn. I have often said when I made a mistake that I was taught better, and I knew better, but I just did it anyway. I don't know if I can read an Auburn person's book.............just kidding. I have seen what he has done at Auburn and I believe all schools should have someone like him. I don't know what all the talk was about him a year or so ago(by you know who....Finebaum), but I never believed it. I know that these players try to act like big tough guys but everyone needs someone that they can talk with and obtain advice, and it may not be things that they feel like they can talk with their friends about, because it would make them seem weak. Just my personal opinion, but I feel that religion does and should play a large part in people's lives no matter what career that they are in. It's there whether we acknowledge it or not. You need your faith to draw from when everything seems to be going wrong. I remember college teaching me more than academics. It really does help to prepare you for life, and I can't even imagine what kinds of peer pressure these players face on a daily basis, and how much it would help them to have someone to go to that was there only to help them. I don't know anything about Jimmie Johns family life, but I do feel that his parents taught him better, and he knew better, but he just didn't listen. I'd like to think that if we had a person here that he could have gone to, that he might have gotten help, but I think that the money/greed was just too much for him, and I don't know if anyone could have helped him. If that sounds like throwing him under the bus, then so be it, because I just do not have a tolerance for drug dealers. To me they are not only ruining their lives they are ruining someone elses and a lot of times it is some young kid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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