keesler 5,924 Posted April 11, 2016 Share Posted April 11, 2016 If CGM isn't comfortable with his QB's then he better be putting pressure on his defensive, oline and RB coaches. An SEC team can win a lot of games with a top defense, a strong running game, stout oline and with nothing more than a "serviceable" QB. IMHO, Jeremy Johnson and Sean White can be serviceable QBs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ellitor 33,091 Posted April 11, 2016 Share Posted April 11, 2016 Bump. WDE, are you saying we are after the Jax State QB? Auburn isn't that desperate. Afraid we are. Is this because the staff fears that White is injury prone or because they don't think we have a quarterback on the roster who we can win more than 8 games with? Here ya go. Bump. WDE, are you saying we are after the Jax State QB? Auburn isn't that desperate. Might want to rethink this. Well if you are being serious here, this is telling me that Gus is not quite that high on Sean White any of the current QBs being ready to thrive in the 2016 season. FIFY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keesler 5,924 Posted April 11, 2016 Share Posted April 11, 2016 Ellitor ~ Don't you think there's plenty of time for these QBs in the next few months to work with some specialists that can help them progress? They can work on their own with their WRs and S&C coaches for the next 4+ months to get timing patterns down and learn the playbook. Am I just being thick headed in thinking our QBs (JJ/SW) have the tools to reach their potential and be productive for this offense? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShocksMyBrain 9,364 Posted April 11, 2016 Share Posted April 11, 2016 If we do sign, everyone better avoid outside media for the next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ellitor 33,091 Posted April 11, 2016 Share Posted April 11, 2016 Ellitor ~ Don't you think there's plenty of time for these QBs in the next few months to work with some specialists that can help them progress? They can work on their own with their WRs and S&C coaches for the next 4+ months to get timing patterns down and learn the playbook. Am I just being thick headed in thinking our QBs (JJ/SW) have the tools to reach their potential and be productive for this offense? Gus does not allow that remember...and I mean outside QB coaches. My opinion is yes you are on JJ. Stuff still seems to be mental w/ him. No amount of SC, playbook, our throwing skeleton routes will help w/ that. I do think though Sean gives us our best chance @ QB right now to win though because he makes the least mistakes & he throws the highest % of catchable balls. If the staff would get behind him fully instead of meh he's the guy we trust most to screw up least, then I think Sean could reach his full potential whatever that may be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarEagle1983 2,185 Posted April 11, 2016 Share Posted April 11, 2016 Ellitor ~ Don't you think there's plenty of time for these QBs in the next few months to work with some specialists that can help them progress? They can work on their own with their WRs and S&C coaches for the next 4+ months to get timing patterns down and learn the playbook. Am I just being thick headed in thinking our QBs (JJ/SW) have the tools to reach their potential and be productive for this offense? Gus does not allow that remember...and I mean outside QB coaches. My opinion is yes you are on JJ. Stuff still seems to be mental w/ him. No amount of SC, playbook, our throwing skeleton routes will help w/ that. I do think though Sean gives us our best chance @ QB right now to win though because he makes the least mistakes & he throws the highest % of catchable balls. If the staff would get behind him fully instead of meh he's the guy we trust most to screw up least, then I think Sean could reach his full potential whatever that may be. Agree. If they don't do the aforementioned regarding Sean then I'll be hoping for JF3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ellitor 33,091 Posted April 11, 2016 Share Posted April 11, 2016 Ellitor ~ Don't you think there's plenty of time for these QBs in the next few months to work with some specialists that can help them progress? They can work on their own with their WRs and S&C coaches for the next 4+ months to get timing patterns down and learn the playbook. Am I just being thick headed in thinking our QBs (JJ/SW) have the tools to reach their potential and be productive for this offense? Gus does not allow that remember...and I mean outside QB coaches. My opinion is yes you are on JJ. Stuff still seems to be mental w/ him. No amount of SC, playbook, our throwing skeleton routes will help w/ that. I do think though Sean gives us our best chance @ QB right now to win though because he makes the least mistakes & he throws the highest % of catchable balls. If the staff would get behind him fully instead of meh he's the guy we trust most to screw up least, then I think Sean could reach his full potential whatever that may be. Agree. If they don't do the aforementioned regarding Sean then I'll be hoping for JF3. JF3 has to drop the turnover bug he had during the Spring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WDE_OxPx_2010 5,297 Posted April 11, 2016 Share Posted April 11, 2016 Gus is feeling the heat. He's in win now mode and it's affecting his decisions. Imagine what it's like to be a QB on that roster right now. You know your coach doesn't believe in you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbird 60,512 Posted April 11, 2016 Share Posted April 11, 2016 I believe if given the chance and full support, as well as allowed to mess up and then rebound without having to look over his shoulder, then SW does very well. QB s, IMO, need to be able to work through their hiccups. If the can't, such as JJ last year, then next man up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarEagle1983 2,185 Posted April 11, 2016 Share Posted April 11, 2016 I believe if given the chance and full support, as well as allowed to mess up and then rebound without having to look over his shoulder, then SW does very well. QB s, IMO, need to be able to work through their hiccups. If the can't, such as JJ last year, then next man up. Agree. Always playing it safe with SW isn't going to help us against tougher competition. I don't expect Gus to have SW slinging the ball 30-40 times a game but we need to mix it up for him and let him get in a rhythm. We're constantly putting him in 3rd and long passing situations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ellitor 33,091 Posted April 11, 2016 Share Posted April 11, 2016 I believe if given the chance and full support, as well as allowed to mess up and then rebound without having to look over his shoulder, then SW does very well. QB s, IMO, need to be able to work through their hiccups. If the can't, such as JJ last year, then next man up. Agree. Always playing it safe with SW isn't going to help us against tougher competition. I don't expect Gus to have SW slinging the ball 30-40 times a game but we need to mix it up for him and let him get in a rhythm. We're constantly putting him in 3rd and long passing situations. If you remember Gus finally stopped playing it safe & opened the O up for Sean in the Arky game, the last 1 he was healthy. I would love to see his stats for that game if the WRs didn't drop 8 passes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUIH1 1,515 Posted April 11, 2016 Share Posted April 11, 2016 I believe if given the chance and full support, as well as allowed to mess up and then rebound without having to look over his shoulder, then SW does very well. QB s, IMO, need to be able to work through their hiccups. If the can't, such as JJ last year, then next man up. I totally agree. SW never got full support last season based on play calling alone in the MSU game. Do you truly believe that Gus is willing and able to construct an O around SW's strengths at this point? Gus (IMO) has been suckered into thinking he is some QB whisperer because he happened to coach the best QB AU has ever had (Cam, who learned under Urban Meyer/Dan Mullen) and a QB (Nick Marshall) who was a freak athlete with a big arm who happened to "get" the zone read. Cam and Nick were mostly products of prior coaching along with freak athleticism instead of Gus/Lashlee QB coaching. wde Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShocksMyBrain 9,364 Posted April 11, 2016 Share Posted April 11, 2016 I believe if given the chance and full support, as well as allowed to mess up and then rebound without having to look over his shoulder, then SW does very well. QB s, IMO, need to be able to work through their hiccups. If the can't, such as JJ last year, then next man up. Agree. Always playing it safe with SW isn't going to help us against tougher competition. I don't expect Gus to have SW slinging the ball 30-40 times a game but we need to mix it up for him and let him get in a rhythm. We're constantly putting him in 3rd and long passing situations. I believe JR will perform better in 1st and 2nd down runs than Barber did, thus hopefully removing the 3rd and long passing situations SW was put into. Everyone is so busy worrying about the QB situation, but ignoring our run potential. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarEagle1983 2,185 Posted April 11, 2016 Share Posted April 11, 2016 I believe if given the chance and full support, as well as allowed to mess up and then rebound without having to look over his shoulder, then SW does very well. QB s, IMO, need to be able to work through their hiccups. If the can't, such as JJ last year, then next man up. Agree. Always playing it safe with SW isn't going to help us against tougher competition. I don't expect Gus to have SW slinging the ball 30-40 times a game but we need to mix it up for him and let him get in a rhythm. We're constantly putting him in 3rd and long passing situations. I believe JR will perform better in 1st and 2nd down runs than Barber did, thus hopefully removing the 3rd and long passing situations SW was put into. Everyone is so busy worrying about the QB situation, but ignoring our run potential. I can agree to that but we need to mix it up more on 1st downs. We ran the ball pretty effective last year. I think people understand that in order for us to actually be a threat to contend for the SEC we're going to need better QB play. Not great, but better. I always feel confident about the run game with Gus but when it comes down to stiffer competition we need more from the QB position and more from Gus/Rhett that will allow us to go win the game rather than always playing it safe not to lose the game. If a QB like Coker can win it all there is no reason with the QBs we have we can't either with the defense we have this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
subterranean_jack 112 Posted April 11, 2016 Share Posted April 11, 2016 Until the OL pass blocks better, it won't make that much difference who is throwing the ball. Neither JJ or SW had much time to throw last season. It wasn't often they had time to get set and go through their progressions.WRs bear some of the blame too. JF may end up being the best option because he is able to avoid being sacked after protection breaks down and create on the fly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
augolf1716 21,109 Posted April 11, 2016 Share Posted April 11, 2016 Bump. WDE, are you saying we are after the Jax State QB? Auburn isn't that desperate. Afraid we are. Is this because the staff fears that White is injury prone or because they don't think we have a quarterback on the roster who we can win more than 8 games with? Enough games Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUIH1 1,515 Posted April 11, 2016 Share Posted April 11, 2016 Bump. WDE, are you saying we are after the Jax State QB? Auburn isn't that desperate. Afraid we are. Is this because the staff fears that White is injury prone or because they don't think we have a quarterback on the roster who we can win more than 8 games with? Enough games In your opinion, how many is enough games? wde Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
augolf1716 21,109 Posted April 11, 2016 Share Posted April 11, 2016 Combination of wins and who we beat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUIH1 1,515 Posted April 11, 2016 Share Posted April 11, 2016 Combination of wins and who we beat How many wins and who should we beat? IMO, we need 9 regular season wins with one of those wins coming against either uga or spuat. wde Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ellitor 33,091 Posted April 11, 2016 Share Posted April 11, 2016 Until the OL pass blocks better, it won't make that much difference who is throwing the ball. Neither JJ or SW had much time to throw last season. It wasn't often they had time to get set and go through their progressions.WRs bear some of the blame too. JF may end up being the best option because he is able to avoid being sacked after protection breaks down and create on the fly. The OL was not good by any means but was not bad either. There were many times where both JJ & SAean held the ball too long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SumterAubie 3,031 Posted April 11, 2016 Share Posted April 11, 2016 Well fortunately, with how salty Auburn's defense is projected to be, the offense will not have to carry the burden of winning games for us. In two thirds of the triad-offense, defense and special teams-Auburn will better than most of the opponents in defense and special teams. A completed pass or two to keep the defense honest and let Robinson do the rest on offense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oracle79 3,569 Posted April 11, 2016 Share Posted April 11, 2016 Combination of wins and who we beat How many wins and who should we beat? IMO, we need 9 regular season wins with one of those wins coming against either uga or spuat. wde Not sure you can quantify how many and who. It will be a combination of that and how we look winning and losing games (i.e. you can lose a game and feel good about the direction you're team is headed e.g. 1981 17-3 loss to Nebraska, and you can win a game and not feel good about the direction your team is heading e.g. Jax State game). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FoundationEagle 637 Posted April 12, 2016 Share Posted April 12, 2016 Bump. WDE, are you saying we are after the Jax State QB? Auburn isn't that desperate. Afraid we are. What this tells me (uninformed opinion). We have JF3 who isn't what we hoped, JJ who can't be trusted until proves otherwise, TQ who is already injured again, a true freshman that won't be here til fall and SW who is also injury prone. That leaves us at SW starting and if injured...no viable backup outside of a freshman hopeful. SW MAY be a viable starter for a whole season but hasn't proven he can handle a whole season yet. Get him hurt or in a funk in a season where Gus will get fired if he doesn't produce and without any viable backups....that's a very desperate situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
auburn4ever 1,266 Posted April 12, 2016 Share Posted April 12, 2016 Jenkins or Webb would be a good quarterback for Auburn this fall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbird 60,512 Posted April 12, 2016 Share Posted April 12, 2016 To continue and say SW is injury prone is foolish. He got hurt and was rushed back before healed due to JJ's inexplicable implosion. He was thrust back during the UGA game and that prolonged it. That isn't injury prone. That means he got hurt...once. Injury prone indicates the propensity to get injured easily. This, as of now, just is not the case. To me, Queen and Lawson would fall under that phrase much more than White. Now, If SW gets hurt again, he might fall into that category as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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