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1 minute ago, Mikey said:

He said this:  ^

Exactly, which makes it incredible that you could read it and then post this:

10 hours ago, Mikey said:

So, according to your logic there is zero reason to look at a coach's resume. His history doesn't matter, "Auburn will make him successful anyway".  Not buying it.

 

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9 hours ago, Mikey said:

So, according to your logic there is zero reason to look at a coach's resume. His history doesn't matter, "Auburn will make him successful anyway".  Not buying it.

The fact that this was all you could come up with just further proves that your entire premise is built on matchsticks.

No, I didn't claim at all that track record doesn't matter - that in fact is a very important metric. The point, however, is that track record is dependent on where that coach is accumulating it. Auburn, historically, is a program that elevates coaches. The examples that you want to use - coaches not winning a million games at schools like Purdue, Nebraska - are examples of potentially promising coaches walking into bottom feeder (Purdue) and ancient-history (Nebraska) programs. Those two scenarios are completely and entirely different.

You continually try to paint a picture with one broad paintbrush when in fact success/failure at this level is entirely dependent on a million different factors that vary from school to school. Nobody is saying that any loser coach is going to succeed here by default, however, what you fail to see is that Auburn ITSELF is good for 5-6 wins a season on the sheer basis of out-of-conference and historically doormat SEC opponents as long as the head coach is at minimum competent enough to provide SOMETHING (which is almost always going to be the case because we have the resources to hire at minimum a candidate of SOME substance). If your Auburn team wins less than 6 games, it is because the team flat out quit on the coaching staff (and obviously if the team quit, then a dismissal is non-negotiable as was the case with Chizik). By comparison, Purdue isn't a program that can walk into a season under the pretense that 6-wins are automatic. The entire point is that cherry-picking these examples of "up and coming" coaches and then using their relative struggles at programs that are NOT Auburn as a basis for why we shouldn't replace our own mediocre coach is an argument that is devoid of any actual substance.

Every single coach in the country would have different results at different schools - that is the entire point. Do me a favor and take a look at Nick Saban's 5 seasons at Michigan State - apart from his final season wherein he finally went 9-2, he was literally a 6-6 level coach. Going off of that track record, there is no basis for anyone to conclude that he would go on to become one of the most dominant head coaches in NCAA history. But he did. Part of that had to do with his own growth in understanding what he needed to do to build his "formula", and the other part is that he landed at jobs that allowed him to maximize his own coaching talents. His career would be completely different had he left for say, Nebraska. His formula wouldn't work at a school like Nebraska, and thus the results would be different.

What you are doing is making a case for "don't seek more than you are capable of achieving", however, that stance would only hold any water if Malzahn was providing results that were quantifiably greater than what this program is capable of achieving. Apart from a few outlier seasons (which seemingly every coach that has taken this job has also experienced) the results are in fact very mediocre. Not only are the results mediocre, but the obvious blunders year in and year out prove that Malzahn is in fact a mediocre coach. A mediocre coach is not something that a program of this caliber should be "afraid" of replacing. There are probably 20+ coaches in the country who could produce, at minimum, equally mediocre results. The difference is that among those 20+ coaches, there are also a selection who possess the tools to be clear UPGRADES from Malzahn. That could very well have included someone like Scott Frost who is struggling at a school like Nebraska, which is the point you don't get.