Kentucky county clerk jailed on contempt charges until she agrees to issue same-sex marriage licenses

[homersapien 11,373]

And cue the standard misuse of a word or phrase in an attempt to be clever or sound smarter.

Which side is constantly whining about "taking our country back"? <_</>

Your question does not address my post

Taking back our country is a valid position.

Of course it is! Those dastardly liberals TOOK it from you.

Thanks for proving my point.

[homersapien 11,373]

This little campaign rally should be uh.......................interesting.

Its like the Super Bowl for the Cult of Perpetual Victimhood known as the religious right.

Pretty sure the Left has a monopoly on the victimhood game.

No one on the left is claiming they are victimized because they are prevented from establishing their theocracy.

Except the Church of climate change.

Look, we are already aware of your voluntary ignorance on the science of climate change. No reason to remind us.

And I would think that as an atheist, you'd show a little more concern for theocratic action. After all, after homosexuals are put into their place, can atheists be far behind?

"When the couple demanded to know under whose authority she could deny them their legal right, Davis appealed not to the high courts, but to a higher power.

“Under God’s authority,” she said defiantly, staring back at the questioner."

http://thinkprogress...tical-theology/

Let's not forget, this is an elected, government official.

[AURaptor 1,123]

And cue the standard misuse of a word or phrase in an attempt to be clever or sound smarter.

Which side is constantly whining about "taking our country back"? <_</>

Your question does not address my post

Taking back our country is a valid position.

Of course it is! Those dastardly liberals TOOK it from you. :bawling:/> :cry3:/>

Thanks for proving my point. :laugh:/>

It's a valid point, regardless if you agree or not. It has zero to do with my comment about TexasTigers misuse of the word " ironic ".

But keep trying

[homersapien 11,373]

Yes you can she has been divorced 3 times has children out of wedlock, etc , you can go on but in the end she is a sinner just like the rest of us. I don't think her Faith in GOD is Faith I think it is now a way to push an agenda of deep seeded hatred and misaligned views

You're welcome to your opinion, but to be fair, the woman was not a Christian at the time of any of her divorces. She only came to be a believer about 3-4 years ago. It's hardly fair in my opinion to hold someone accountable for a set of beliefs about the nature and sanctity of marriage that she didn't even subscribe to until a few years ago. That undermines the "she's just pushing an agenda" meme to me.

There's no zealot like a converted one.

That's not entirely invalid. Recently converted folks are obviously excited - they feel like their life has been transformed. But they also tend to be somewhat immature spiritually. And if they aren't getting good spiritual counsel and advice, then they can not always understand what are essential things on which one can't compromise and where they can. I think more years being a Christian and having some wise spiritual counsel in her life could have helped her to see there was a way to preserve her convictions on this matter, keep her job, but allow people to have access to what they are permitted to have under law. Such scenarios aren't always possible and one may have to stand their ground in those times, but this wasn't one of them.

Seriously? "Not entirely invalid"?

I'd say my version - "no zealot like a converted one" - is way more valid than the more common version: "no zealot like a convert".

As for the rest of your post, you really are becoming "that guy".

[TitanTiger 20,482]

Yes you can she has been divorced 3 times has children out of wedlock, etc , you can go on but in the end she is a sinner just like the rest of us. I don't think her Faith in GOD is Faith I think it is now a way to push an agenda of deep seeded hatred and misaligned views

You're welcome to your opinion, but to be fair, the woman was not a Christian at the time of any of her divorces. She only came to be a believer about 3-4 years ago. It's hardly fair in my opinion to hold someone accountable for a set of beliefs about the nature and sanctity of marriage that she didn't even subscribe to until a few years ago. That undermines the "she's just pushing an agenda" meme to me.

There's no zealot like a converted one.

That's not entirely invalid. Recently converted folks are obviously excited - they feel like their life has been transformed. But they also tend to be somewhat immature spiritually. And if they aren't getting good spiritual counsel and advice, then they can not always understand what are essential things on which one can't compromise and where they can. I think more years being a Christian and having some wise spiritual counsel in her life could have helped her to see there was a way to preserve her convictions on this matter, keep her job, but allow people to have access to what they are permitted to have under law. Such scenarios aren't always possible and one may have to stand their ground in those times, but this wasn't one of them.

Seriously? "Not entirely invalid"?

I'd say my version - "no zealot like a converted one" - is way more valid than the more common version: "no zealot like a convert".

As for the rest of your post, you really are becoming "that guy".

I was agreeing with the substance of what you said, minus the snark. Then I was simply expounding on why.

Don't disagree just to disagree.

[japantiger 4,051]

"Obey the law of the land"

I'm hearing this coming from churches and "christians" in this forum but where this doctrine comes from I do not know.

Lot did not obey the law of the land.

Moses did not obey the law of the land.

Daniel and his faithful Hebrew brothers were thrown in ovens and lions dens because they did not obey the law of the land.

Esther and Mordecai not only defied the law of the land but rewrote it.

Many prophets were slain because they did not bow to Bael.

Jesus was crucified because he stood against the man made law of the pharisees.

Paul himself persecuted and jailed many followers of Christ because they did not obey the "leaders" and their laws.

Countless christians were killed by Rome because they would not obey the law.

How many protestants lost their life because of "church law"?

Christians are dieing as we speak because they reject the law given by Isis.

I cant judge this women's heart or motives but if she is doing all of this out of a faith for her GOD then who dares cast the first stone.

Yes you can she has been divorced 3 times has children out of wedlock, etc , you can go on but in the end she is a sinner just like the rest of us. I don't think her Faith in GOD is Faith I think it is now a way to push an agenda of deep seeded hatred and misaligned views

You mean just like that deep seated hatred and misaligned views that the Democratic party and the Divider-in-Chief evangelized less than 3 years ago? This is all just too funny. The righteous indignation on this is hilarious.

Jailing this woman was a crime. We let illegal alien felons walk the streets and murder innocents; yet we jailed this lady so fast it would make your head spin. Our government priorities are completely screwed up. And frankly, if you think providing marriage licences for gays is a bigger LE priority than securing our border and protecting our citizens, so are you.

[homersapien 11,373]

"Obey the law of the land"

I'm hearing this coming from churches and "christians" in this forum but where this doctrine comes from I do not know.

Lot did not obey the law of the land.

Moses did not obey the law of the land.

Daniel and his faithful Hebrew brothers were thrown in ovens and lions dens because they did not obey the law of the land.

Esther and Mordecai not only defied the law of the land but rewrote it.

Many prophets were slain because they did not bow to Bael.

Jesus was crucified because he stood against the man made law of the pharisees.

Paul himself persecuted and jailed many followers of Christ because they did not obey the "leaders" and their laws.

Countless christians were killed by Rome because they would not obey the law.

How many protestants lost their life because of "church law"?

Christians are dieing as we speak because they reject the law given by Isis.

I cant judge this women's heart or motives but if she is doing all of this out of a faith for her GOD then who dares cast the first stone.

Yes you can she has been divorced 3 times has children out of wedlock, etc , you can go on but in the end she is a sinner just like the rest of us. I don't think her Faith in GOD is Faith I think it is now a way to push an agenda of deep seeded hatred and misaligned views

You mean just like that deep seated hatred and misaligned views that the Democratic party and the Divider-in-Chief evangelized less than 3 years ago? This is all just too funny. The righteous indignation on this is hilarious.

Jailing this woman was a crime. We let illegal alien felons walk the streets and murder innocents; yet we jailed this lady so fast it would make your head spin. Our government priorities are completely screwed up. And frankly, if you think providing marriage licences for gays is a bigger LE priority than securing our border and protecting our citizens, so are you.

That's an irrational diatribe.

She disobeyed a court order. The fact we have "illegal alien felons walk the street and murder innocents" has no bearing on it. Nor is providing marriage licenses for gays relevant to other LEO issues.

[homersapien 11,373]

Yes you can she has been divorced 3 times has children out of wedlock, etc , you can go on but in the end she is a sinner just like the rest of us. I don't think her Faith in GOD is Faith I think it is now a way to push an agenda of deep seeded hatred and misaligned views

You're welcome to your opinion, but to be fair, the woman was not a Christian at the time of any of her divorces. She only came to be a believer about 3-4 years ago. It's hardly fair in my opinion to hold someone accountable for a set of beliefs about the nature and sanctity of marriage that she didn't even subscribe to until a few years ago. That undermines the "she's just pushing an agenda" meme to me.

There's no zealot like a converted one.

That's not entirely invalid. Recently converted folks are obviously excited - they feel like their life has been transformed. But they also tend to be somewhat immature spiritually. And if they aren't getting good spiritual counsel and advice, then they can not always understand what are essential things on which one can't compromise and where they can. I think more years being a Christian and having some wise spiritual counsel in her life could have helped her to see there was a way to preserve her convictions on this matter, keep her job, but allow people to have access to what they are permitted to have under law. Such scenarios aren't always possible and one may have to stand their ground in those times, but this wasn't one of them.

Seriously? "Not entirely invalid"?

I'd say my version - "no zealot like a converted one" - is way more valid than the more common version: "no zealot like a convert".

As for the rest of your post, you really are becoming "that guy".

I was agreeing with the substance of what you said, minus the snark. Then I was simply expounding on why.

Don't disagree just to disagree.

Where did I disagree?

[DKW 86 7,423]

>>> If <<< she has came to a knowledge of her sins and repented then she has been judged already and she is not condemned. :thumbsup:/>

Her debt has been forgiven and anyone who keeps trying to pull out a record of her debt is an advesary to the judge and tramples underfoot the blood of Christ. :thumbsup:/>

I can't judge this women's heart nor motives and I will definately not hold her guilty of her pasts sins nor would I call them to mind ever again. I can only judge her fruits. Right now I see a woman who has a conscience toward the will of GOD and a women who is proclaiming the name of Jesus as her final authority in all matters of her heart. :thumbsup:/>

I have not seen anything written or spoken of that she has done anything harmful or hateful to anyone in this case. WTH? Of all the things she encounters, only SSM does she object to?

All of the harm and hate is toward her. KD is getting plenty of hate, i agree here. But she has a job in which she she has to enforce the decrees of the govt. If she cannot execute the law in a fair and balanced measure, then she is ruining her testimony. She could have handled it a different way.

Yeshua did not warn his followers that they would be jailed for his names sake just to hear himself speak. He knew that love for the FATHER would put them at odds with the world. In fact, he promised they would be hated for their love.

I do agree that hatred is involved at the core of this. Hatred of the GOD found in the bible. John 3:16 ALL THE WAY TO VERSE 21

"There is nothing new under the sun"

"Just as in the days of Noah, they will be marrying and giving in marriage..."

Jude 1

Where to start? Agree with most here, but KD is no Esther. The rest of the world, myself included openly question why it is only SSM she is worried about? Is she licensing an Abortion Clinic? Why not that? Is she licensing a business that is stealing from their customers? Is she licensing a liquor store or bar? Why not them?

I think what most of us are tired of, weary of, is that it is only gay folks that get the hate, focus, etc. If she was consistent across the board, the whole board of her influence, we would admire her and go on. But she seems to only care about one issue like there is only one issue of sin in the world. Ultimately it appears to come down to the old problem about "relative righteousness." Your sins are worse than mine. KD has sin in her life, like we all do. Why does she pick just one to attack? What is she doing about drugs, prostitution, adultery, drunkeness, etc? Call me backsllid if you want, i am not btw. I am just so tired of people that pick and choose "that one sin" to beat other people up with. Years ago it was alcohol (KKK was originally about Christian Morals even for whites) was the boogey man. Then it was interracial marriage. etc etc etc.

Today, that one detestable sin is SSM. I choose to deal with my own problems and let others deal with theirs.

I really wonder if KD would have ever stepped foot in a church if, before she was saved, she was run down by the church for all her poor choices?

Christianity is about life change thru a relationship with Christ. It is about who He is and who we are. Driving even more people away from Him by turning away from the grace that won you is a bad deal in my book. I know so many people that were wounded by God-Fearing, hate-filled, busy-bodies that i shudder to see them before the throne. you want to ultimately do best for the church and for your community? LOVE. that is all. Love God, and love your fellow man as yourself.

For every person you show me that was turned off by the truth... I will show you entire churches that still remain lost because they believe that truth has been done away with and GOD does not judge.

If only John the Baptist or Stephen had loved and accepted more they might have lived longer. If only Yeshua had just accepted the pharisees and rulers with love and acceptance he would not have been crucified. Maybe if all of the first Christians had just flung open their houses to accept Idol worship and actually spent time to get to know these people they might not have been burned alive or fed to lions.

NO!!! They stood up for the faith. They stood up for truth. They spoke scripture and were killed for it.

Are you assuming that Kim Davis does not speak out against the things you mentioned or are you just hating her for this one belief? (Which by the way is judging)

Have you ever considered that she was led to Christ because she saw that she was actually sinning? Have you ever considered she might have actually seen where she was and stopped, repented, and started living for HIM? Have you ever considered that she might have been like the theif on the cross and begged for grace and mercy with tears?

I never knew the gospel was about Jesus accepting me. I always thought it was about me accepting him??? He loved me enough to show me sin. Not to condemn me in my sin but to save me from sin.

"GOD IS LOVE" = Proverbs 3:12, Hebrews 12:5-11, Job 5:17-18, 1 Cor 11:32, Rev 3:19 and also some Jude 1:20-23 mixed with 1 Cor 6 and 1 John 5:2-3

Been there, done that got the tee shirt. If your version of love is belittling and confrontation then go right ahead.

I have been part of a church that did that for years and still does. I am no longer a part of that church. I have also completely matured in my walk and will do it as Christ did with the adulteress. I am not here to condemn others, while knowing that my own life is not fully correct. I will dispense the grace i was given and did not earn in any way, to people as it given to me; freely, magnanimously, with love toward others.

Shouting down others will not work. Paul reasoned with people. He didnt shout them down and call them names.

KD has been given the grace and time to grow and mature into who she is now. But we cant allow others the same? REALLY?

KD gets the benefit of most of her life screwing up but NOW she is perfect and can say who gets rights and who doesnt?

Somehow that sounds more and more like folks are just homophobic, plain and simple. Like i said ad nauseum, if this was any other "sin," no one would care.

[telling tiger 156]

Someone in the office has at least a singular clue.

http://www.wchstv.co...ml#.VfCJsBFRFjo

[aubfaninga 16]

>>> If <<< she has came to a knowledge of her sins and repented then she has been judged already and she is not condemned. :thumbsup:/>

Her debt has been forgiven and anyone who keeps trying to pull out a record of her debt is an advesary to the judge and tramples underfoot the blood of Christ. :thumbsup:/>

I can't judge this women's heart nor motives and I will definately not hold her guilty of her pasts sins nor would I call them to mind ever again. I can only judge her fruits. Right now I see a woman who has a conscience toward the will of GOD and a women who is proclaiming the name of Jesus as her final authority in all matters of her heart. :thumbsup:/>

I have not seen anything written or spoken of that she has done anything harmful or hateful to anyone in this case. WTH? Of all the things she encounters, only SSM does she object to?

All of the harm and hate is toward her. KD is getting plenty of hate, i agree here. But she has a job in which she she has to enforce the decrees of the govt. If she cannot execute the law in a fair and balanced measure, then she is ruining her testimony. She could have handled it a different way.

Yeshua did not warn his followers that they would be jailed for his names sake just to hear himself speak. He knew that love for the FATHER would put them at odds with the world. In fact, he promised they would be hated for their love.

I do agree that hatred is involved at the core of this. Hatred of the GOD found in the bible. John 3:16 ALL THE WAY TO VERSE 21

"There is nothing new under the sun"

"Just as in the days of Noah, they will be marrying and giving in marriage..."

Jude 1

Where to start? Agree with most here, but KD is no Esther. The rest of the world, myself included openly question why it is only SSM she is worried about? Is she licensing an Abortion Clinic? Why not that? Is she licensing a business that is stealing from their customers? Is she licensing a liquor store or bar? Why not them?

I think what most of us are tired of, weary of, is that it is only gay folks that get the hate, focus, etc. If she was consistent across the board, the whole board of her influence, we would admire her and go on. But she seems to only care about one issue like there is only one issue of sin in the world. Ultimately it appears to come down to the old problem about "relative righteousness." Your sins are worse than mine. KD has sin in her life, like we all do. Why does she pick just one to attack? What is she doing about drugs, prostitution, adultery, drunkeness, etc? Call me backsllid if you want, i am not btw. I am just so tired of people that pick and choose "that one sin" to beat other people up with. Years ago it was alcohol (KKK was originally about Christian Morals even for whites) was the boogey man. Then it was interracial marriage. etc etc etc.

Today, that one detestable sin is SSM. I choose to deal with my own problems and let others deal with theirs.

I really wonder if KD would have ever stepped foot in a church if, before she was saved, she was run down by the church for all her poor choices?

Christianity is about life change thru a relationship with Christ. It is about who He is and who we are. Driving even more people away from Him by turning away from the grace that won you is a bad deal in my book. I know so many people that were wounded by God-Fearing, hate-filled, busy-bodies that i shudder to see them before the throne. you want to ultimately do best for the church and for your community? LOVE. that is all. Love God, and love your fellow man as yourself.

For every person you show me that was turned off by the truth... I will show you entire churches that still remain lost because they believe that truth has been done away with and GOD does not judge.

If only John the Baptist or Stephen had loved and accepted more they might have lived longer. If only Yeshua had just accepted the pharisees and rulers with love and acceptance he would not have been crucified. Maybe if all of the first Christians had just flung open their houses to accept Idol worship and actually spent time to get to know these people they might not have been burned alive or fed to lions.

NO!!! They stood up for the faith. They stood up for truth. They spoke scripture and were killed for it.

Are you assuming that Kim Davis does not speak out against the things you mentioned or are you just hating her for this one belief? (Which by the way is judging)

Have you ever considered that she was led to Christ because she saw that she was actually sinning? Have you ever considered she might have actually seen where she was and stopped, repented, and started living for HIM? Have you ever considered that she might have been like the theif on the cross and begged for grace and mercy with tears?

I never knew the gospel was about Jesus accepting me. I always thought it was about me accepting him??? He loved me enough to show me sin. Not to condemn me in my sin but to save me from sin.

"GOD IS LOVE" = Proverbs 3:12, Hebrews 12:5-11, Job 5:17-18, 1 Cor 11:32, Rev 3:19 and also some Jude 1:20-23 mixed with 1 Cor 6 and 1 John 5:2-3

Been there, done that got the tee shirt. If your version of love is belittling and confrontation then go right ahead.

I have been part of a church that did that for years and still does. I am no longer a part of that church. I have also completely matured in my walk and will do it as Christ did with the adulteress. I am not here to condemn others, while knowing that my own life is not fully correct. I will dispense the grace i was given and did not earn in any way, to people as it given to me; freely, magnanimously, with love toward others.

Shouting down others will not work. Paul reasoned with people. He didnt shout them down and call them names.

KD has been given the grace and time to grow and mature into who she is now. But we cant allow others the same? REALLY?

KD gets the benefit of most of her life screwing up but NOW she is perfect and can say who gets rights and who doesnt?

Somehow that sounds more and more like folks are just homophobic, plain and simple. Like i said ad nauseum, if this was any other "sin," no one would care.

Oh but you are condemning her. You are judging her actions. Yet you claim you do not condemn, judge, and use love to disperse grace. Please, I challenge you to show in this thread just one example of grace toward Kim Davis from you.

Can you please show me where KD has yelled someone down? Can you show me where she has denied grace to anyone? She quit straight marriage licenses as well.

I have seen people screaming at her because of their beliefs. I have seen people degrade her. I have seen her imprisoned.

I have seen you mock her, belittle her, hold her pasts into account, and judge her husbands appearance on this site alone. "Love towards others"???

[telling tiger 156]

She was imprisoned for disobeying a direct and personalized court order. Same thing would have happened to ANYONE who did the same thing.

She was given ample opportunity to allow other clerks in her office issue them. She told them no. Her last day in court, she was given TWO chances to stay out of custody and do the same thing...

One person put her there. HER.

She is entitled to any belief she would like...She is NOT entitled to withhold a LEGAL government service that ALL taxpayers pay her for.

INCLUDING heterosexual couples....which for some inane reason, you seem to think is a sort of qualifier of some kind....HEY, she discriminated against EVERYONE!!!

[homersapien 11,373]

Someone in the office has at least a singular clue.

http://www.wchstv.co...ml#.VfCJsBFRFjo

I will admit up front that I have little standing to make such a judgment - other than I was raised as Christian and have a lot of respect for Christianity - but IMO, these people are making a mockery of Christianity.

....Davis walked out of the Carter County Detention Center's front door Tuesday, arm-in-arm with her lawyer and with Republican presidential candidate Mike Huckabee as thousands of supporters cheered and waved white crosses backed by a 150-voice church choir. Some in the crowd sang "Amazing Grace" and "God Bless America."...

..."I just want to give God the glory. His people have rallied, and you are a strong people," the clerk told the crowd after stepping outside, her arms raised like a victorious boxer, to the blaring "Rocky"-sequel theme song "Eye of the Tiger."...

...."Kim cannot and will not violate her conscience," said Mat Staver, founder of the Liberty Counsel, the Christian law firm representing Davis. As for whether she will issue licenses, Staver said only: "You'll find out in the near future." Staver said the licenses issued to same-sex couples by Davis' employees last week were not valid since they were not given under Davis' authority. But the Kentucky attorney general's office said it believes otherwise....

It is unlikely the Kentucky state legislature would impeach Davis. The Republican president of the state Senate spoke at a rally at the state capitol and filed an amicus brief asking Bunning not to hold Davis in contempt of court for defying his order. Several lawmakers have already filed legislation for the 2016 session that would exempt county clerks from having to issue marriage licenses.

[homersapien 11,373]

Oh but you are condemning her. You are judging her actions. Yet you claim you do not condemn, judge, and use love to disperse grace. Please, I challenge you to show in this thread just one example of grace toward Kim Davis from you.

Can you please show me where KD has yelled someone down? Can you show me where she has denied grace to anyone? She quit straight marriage licenses as well.

I have seen people screaming at her because of their beliefs. I have seen people degrade her. I have seen her imprisoned.

I have seen you mock her, belittle her, hold her pasts into account, and judge her husbands appearance on this site alone. "Love towards others"???

Presumably, if she gets burned at the stake she'll achieve sainthood?

[homersapien 11,373]

She was imprisoned for disobeying a direct and personalized court order. Same thing would have happened to ANYONE who did the same thing.

She was given ample opportunity to allow other clerks in her office issue them. She told them no. Her last day in court, she was given TWO chances to stay out of custody and do the same thing...

One person put her there. HER.

She is entitled to any belief she would like...She is NOT entitled to withhold a LEGAL government service that ALL taxpayers pay her for.

INCLUDING heterosexual couples....which for some inane reason, you seem to think is a sort of qualifier of some kind....HEY, she discriminated against EVERYONE!!!

Ms. Frank summed it up well:

Davis, 49, has refused to resign her $80,000-a-year job. As an elected official, she can lose her post only if she is defeated for re-election or is impeached by the state General Assembly. Katherine Franke, a professor at Columbia Law School, said the state legislature should find the political will to boot Davis from office since she has ignored her oath of office in favor of her religious conviction.

"The claim she's making is a clear loser. It's a political claim, it's not a legal claim," Franke said. "That's why she lost on the district level and the circuit level and she will continue to lose. She's fighting for justice on the level of religious law. But we don't live in a theocracy."

http://www.wchstv.co...ml#.VfCLnRFVhBd

[alexava 6,973]

Someone in the office has at least a singular clue.

http://www.wchstv.co...ml#.VfCJsBFRFjo

i have predicted she will cause a hostile work environment and get the state sued by an employee.

[telling tiger 156]

People like her and Huckabee explain fully why our children have been taught outside the public school system...No way on this planet, people like that will have a chance to influence our children's education in any way....Some people see it as moral, congrats. Good for you, whoever you are....I see it as anything but.

She is entitled to her belief. She is not entitled to set up her own tiny theocracy....Which is EXACTLY what she did as far as her office is concerned....She demands accommodation and offers none....Won't work. She ended up in custody because of it.

[aubfaninga 16]

She was imprisoned for disobeying a direct and personalized court order. Same thing would have happened to ANYONE who did the same thing.

She was given ample opportunity to allow other clerks in her office issue them. She told them no. Her last day in court, she was given TWO chances to stay out of custody and do the same thing...

One person put her there. HER.

She is entitled to any belief she would like...She is NOT entitled to withhold a LEGAL government service that ALL taxpayers pay her for.

INCLUDING heterosexual couples....which for some inane reason, you seem to think is a sort of qualifier of some kind....HEY, she discriminated against EVERYONE!!!

I was only showing that maybe just maybe she was trying to show compassion for the gay couples by not issueing any. I never once claimed is was right or wrong but trying to shed light that her actions were not strictly from hate.

Yes, her decisions put her in jail. I think she is fine with her decision and appears to be willing to lay down her professional life as well for her faith.

4 of the 5 judges that ruled on same sex marriage saw this coming.

Religion is frowned upon in the profession of science. Religion has been removed from public schools. Religion will also be squeezed completely out the judicial system soon. I swear I have read this story before about early infancy of communist countries. At least we know how the story always ends.

[aubfaninga 16]

Oh but you are condemning her. You are judging her actions. Yet you claim you do not condemn, judge, and use love to disperse grace. Please, I challenge you to show in this thread just one example of grace toward Kim Davis from you.

Can you please show me where KD has yelled someone down? Can you show me where she has denied grace to anyone? She quit straight marriage licenses as well.

I have seen people screaming at her because of their beliefs. I have seen people degrade her. I have seen her imprisoned.

I have seen you mock her, belittle her, hold her pasts into account, and judge her husbands appearance on this site alone. "Love towards others"???

Presumably, if she gets burned at the stake she'll achieve sainthood? :rolleyes:/>

Just keep the masses entertained for a breif moment. You know, "when in Rome..."

[AUDub 11,148]

Religion is frowned upon in the profession of science. Religion has been removed from public schools. Religion will also be squeezed completely out the judicial system soon. I swear I have read this story before about early infancy of communist countries. At least we know how the story always ends.

Oh, for Heaven's sake

[homersapien 11,373]

Religion is frowned upon in the profession of science. Religion has been removed from public schools. Religion will also be squeezed completely out the judicial system soon. I swear I have read this story before about early infancy of communist countries. At least we know how the story always ends.

Oh, for Heaven's sake

Beat me to it.

Revealing, huh?

[telling tiger 156]

Yes the rest of humanity should suffer all for the celebration of you....and those that believe like you, that you approve of...

Cup of coffee? You could use some waking up.

Compassion for the gay couples by not issuing licenses to opposite sex couples...?

If you bend anymore to try to make that one fit, you'll snap..

4 of 5 judges? SCOTUS has a few more judges than that...although several are nothing but lap puppets. Whatever Scalia says, Thomas pretty much says, umhum.....and those are mostly his opinions.

No one is trying to burn the backwoods hayseed.....to claim, "when in Rome".....is stone cold BS....

If you don't like my referring to her as a backwoods hayseed, how I really feel about her and Huckabee, would send you right to the edge...The stronger we keep the separation, the better. I do not want people like that, NEAR the government. Iran and Saudi Arabia usually have a few openings...

Don't like that opinion?

Yeah, America is like that sometimes.

[AUDub 11,148]

Religion is frowned upon in the profession of science. Religion has been removed from public schools. Religion will also be squeezed completely out the judicial system soon. I swear I have read this story before about early infancy of communist countries. At least we know how the story always ends.

Oh, for Heaven's sake

Beat me to it.

Revealing, huh?

It was an odd step into the weird.

[aubfaninga 16]

Yes the rest of humanity should suffer all for the celebration of you....and those that believe like you, that you approve of...

Cup of coffee? You could use some waking up.

Compassion for the gay couples by not issuing licenses to opposite sex couples...?

If you bend anymore to try to make that one fit, you'll snap..

4 of 5 judges? SCOTUS has a few more judges than that...although several are nothing but lap puppets. Whatever Scalia says, Thomas pretty much says, umhum.....and those are mostly his opinions.

No one is trying to burn the backwoods hayseed.....to claim, "when in Rome".....is stone cold BS....

If you don't like my referring to her as a backwoods hayseed, how I really feel about her and Huckabee, would send you right to the edge...The stronger we keep the separation, the better. I do not want people like that, NEAR the government. Iran and Saudi Arabia usually have a few openings...

Don't like that opinion?

Yeah, America is like that sometimes.

"Humanity" has suffered because of the heterosexual partners?

The "enlightenment" trip yall are on is awesome right now.

I'm weird because I know the birth rate among the worlds muslim population and fear what "humanity" will look like for my grandchildren.

Yes, our obsession with abortion and same sex relationships will definatey change "humanity".

[telling tiger 156]

Wow.......when you and another member got into your 30 day diatribe on Will and Grace or hope and grace, I placed you on ignore then, the above is more wood for that dam.....back to the pile bucko....

There are starving and homeless children in the world. People who need clothes..people who need education and childcare to work or achieve education. There are some reasons to change humanity.....Grow the fuzz up.

Yet, this is what sends SOME fundi's into meltdown?

I'd laugh if it wasn't so sad.....