AUwent 3,754 Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 Regardless, We'll have Sean White, Woody Barrett, Tyler Queen (barring a healthy recovery), and JF3 competing for the starting QB job next season. That's a positive. I'd be very surprised to see Barrett get the job. My guess is they plan to redshirt him next season. I really want to see what Tyler can do if he's healthy. "God Save the Queen" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randman5000 4,229 Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 Regardless, We'll have Sean White, Woody Barrett, Tyler Queen (barring a healthy recovery), and JF3 competing for the starting QB job next season. That's a positive. You forgot JJ. *chuckles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weegle777 78 Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 At 6'1" and 183lbs I worry about his durability throughout a season in the SEC. Agreed. I am not a fan of the running quarterback / zone read offense. We were lucky that Cam and NM never got seriously injured but with this kind of offense, the team is one injury away from being back to square one. So glad to find this forum and WDE! glad you are liking it Just don't get lured into the sewage part of the site that is the pol(idiot)itical forum. ;D/> I'm about ready to hang it up over there. It's ridiculous now. It's a craphole of idiocy. Best thing I could have done is walk away from that. Glad I did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bdc81 90 Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 I don't what goes on at practice but if I am making millions as a collective staff there is no way I would face the SEC west without knowing what I had at any position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aujeff11 6,243 Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 At 6'1" and 183lbs I worry about his durability throughout a season in the SEC. Agreed. I am not a fan of the running quarterback / zone read offense. We were lucky that Cam and NM never got seriously injured but with this kind of offense, the team is one injury away from being back to square one. So glad to find this forum and WDE! glad you are liking it Just don't get lured into the sewage part of the site that is the pol(idiot)itical forum. ;D/> I'm about ready to hang it up over there. It's ridiculous now. It's a craphole of idiocy. Best thing I could have done is walk away from that. Glad I did. It was best for everybody when you left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weegle777 78 Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 Sure Mike, sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUGoo 2,664 Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 Is JF III the same QB that isn't even starting for his JUCO team? This is an honest question. EMCC had a starter in 2014 who played very well and returned for 2015. JFIII was a backup QB at FSU in 2014 and this was his first and only year at EMCC. Yes he was the backup. No, it's not because he wasn't talented enough to be a starter. He just chose to go somewhere nearby since he only planned to be there a year before getting back to FBS level. So his mindset wasn't "I'll compete and do everything I can to win the starting job, put up great numbers and get big time programs come knocking on my door to be their DT QB?" I'm not saying you're we in it just surprises me he wouldn't try to compete and show FSU what they missed out on and what other big time programs to reap the rewards of. Who said he didn't compete? They knew he'd only be there a year so they let the other guy keep playing. Interesting they didn't have that same mindset when Cam and Nick were obvious one-and-done and on top of that, Nick came in as a DB transfer. Just say you don't want him to come compete as qb and be done with it man lol. All of this indirectness. What is more interesting is the fact that the coaching staff feels the need to bring in a 2nd string QB from the JUCO ranks to compete for the starting job. I never said that, I just don't understand why he didn't get significant playing time at QB in junior college if we expect him to come in and compete for the starting job at a major program in the SEC. I want him or SW or JJ or whoever they get at the helm to be wildly successful. Besides his speed, I'm trying to figure out what it is that says he could be the guy. That is the point of bringing him in to compete. If he doesn't pan out, then as others have said he can play the athlete. You were given an explanation as to why he was in his circumstance and that wasn't good enough for you or it wasn't an adequate answer for you. However, we have SW, TQ, Woody and this guy competing for the job next year. All bring in unique attributes. Clearly, Sean will have the upper hand with game experience. We will just have to see. It's not that the answer wasn't good enough, sometimes follow up questions are a healthy part of the discussion instead of just an "oh, ok!!" I'm trying to develop a deeper understanding of the situation he was in and what he's bringing to the table for us. Bro, it is not rocket science. He brings the DT-QB aspect to Gus's offense. He is reminiscent of NM. When he was at FSU, they used him as a NM replicate. He even speaks about what he can bring to the offense in the article. It doesn't go deeper than that. You are looking for a zebra, when a horse is right in front of you. Now, will he play like NM? No clue. So you are curious but question my curiosity? Gotcha. No, I am not curious at all. I am basically telling you, the confidence you have in SW is NOT shared by the coaching staff. HENCE, why they are bringing in Franklin to compete for the job right away in hopes that he can replicate what NM did for the offense. It is that simple. What has White done or not done to not earn their confidence? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasTiger 12,947 Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 Is JF III the same QB that isn't even starting for his JUCO team? This is an honest question. EMCC had a starter in 2014 who played very well and returned for 2015. JFIII was a backup QB at FSU in 2014 and this was his first and only year at EMCC. Yes he was the backup. No, it's not because he wasn't talented enough to be a starter. He just chose to go somewhere nearby since he only planned to be there a year before getting back to FBS level. So his mindset wasn't "I'll compete and do everything I can to win the starting job, put up great numbers and get big time programs come knocking on my door to be their DT QB?" I'm not saying you're we in it just surprises me he wouldn't try to compete and show FSU what they missed out on and what other big time programs to reap the rewards of. Who said he didn't compete? They knew he'd only be there a year so they let the other guy keep playing. Interesting they didn't have that same mindset when Cam and Nick were obvious one-and-done and on top of that, Nick came in as a DB transfer. Just say you don't want him to come compete as qb and be done with it man lol. All of this indirectness. What is more interesting is the fact that the coaching staff feels the need to bring in a 2nd string QB from the JUCO ranks to compete for the starting job. I never said that, I just don't understand why he didn't get significant playing time at QB in junior college if we expect him to come in and compete for the starting job at a major program in the SEC. I want him or SW or JJ or whoever they get at the helm to be wildly successful. Besides his speed, I'm trying to figure out what it is that says he could be the guy. That is the point of bringing him in to compete. If he doesn't pan out, then as others have said he can play the athlete. You were given an explanation as to why he was in his circumstance and that wasn't good enough for you or it wasn't an adequate answer for you. However, we have SW, TQ, Woody and this guy competing for the job next year. All bring in unique attributes. Clearly, Sean will have the upper hand with game experience. We will just have to see. It's not that the answer wasn't good enough, sometimes follow up questions are a healthy part of the discussion instead of just an "oh, ok!!" I'm trying to develop a deeper understanding of the situation he was in and what he's bringing to the table for us. Bro, it is not rocket science. He brings the DT-QB aspect to Gus's offense. He is reminiscent of NM. When he was at FSU, they used him as a NM replicate. He even speaks about what he can bring to the offense in the article. It doesn't go deeper than that. You are looking for a zebra, when a horse is right in front of you. Now, will he play like NM? No clue. So you are curious but question my curiosity? Gotcha. No, I am not curious at all. I am basically telling you, the confidence you have in SW is NOT shared by the coaching staff. HENCE, why they are bringing in Franklin to compete for the job right away in hopes that he can replicate what NM did for the offense. It is that simple. What has White done or not done to not earn their confidence? Stay healthy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DAG 33,993 Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 Is JF III the same QB that isn't even starting for his JUCO team? This is an honest question. EMCC had a starter in 2014 who played very well and returned for 2015. JFIII was a backup QB at FSU in 2014 and this was his first and only year at EMCC. Yes he was the backup. No, it's not because he wasn't talented enough to be a starter. He just chose to go somewhere nearby since he only planned to be there a year before getting back to FBS level. So his mindset wasn't "I'll compete and do everything I can to win the starting job, put up great numbers and get big time programs come knocking on my door to be their DT QB?" I'm not saying you're we in it just surprises me he wouldn't try to compete and show FSU what they missed out on and what other big time programs to reap the rewards of. Who said he didn't compete? They knew he'd only be there a year so they let the other guy keep playing. Interesting they didn't have that same mindset when Cam and Nick were obvious one-and-done and on top of that, Nick came in as a DB transfer. Just say you don't want him to come compete as qb and be done with it man lol. All of this indirectness. What is more interesting is the fact that the coaching staff feels the need to bring in a 2nd string QB from the JUCO ranks to compete for the starting job. I never said that, I just don't understand why he didn't get significant playing time at QB in junior college if we expect him to come in and compete for the starting job at a major program in the SEC. I want him or SW or JJ or whoever they get at the helm to be wildly successful. Besides his speed, I'm trying to figure out what it is that says he could be the guy. That is the point of bringing him in to compete. If he doesn't pan out, then as others have said he can play the athlete. You were given an explanation as to why he was in his circumstance and that wasn't good enough for you or it wasn't an adequate answer for you. However, we have SW, TQ, Woody and this guy competing for the job next year. All bring in unique attributes. Clearly, Sean will have the upper hand with game experience. We will just have to see. It's not that the answer wasn't good enough, sometimes follow up questions are a healthy part of the discussion instead of just an "oh, ok!!" I'm trying to develop a deeper understanding of the situation he was in and what he's bringing to the table for us. Bro, it is not rocket science. He brings the DT-QB aspect to Gus's offense. He is reminiscent of NM. When he was at FSU, they used him as a NM replicate. He even speaks about what he can bring to the offense in the article. It doesn't go deeper than that. You are looking for a zebra, when a horse is right in front of you. Now, will he play like NM? No clue. So you are curious but question my curiosity? Gotcha. No, I am not curious at all. I am basically telling you, the confidence you have in SW is NOT shared by the coaching staff. HENCE, why they are bringing in Franklin to compete for the job right away in hopes that he can replicate what NM did for the offense. It is that simple. What has White done or not done to not earn their confidence? Well for one we are 1-3 in the SEC with sean white. Not to place the blame on him, but it is what it is. You won't lose games with him, but you won't win games with him either. That could change next year, but this year that is not the case. Please spare me the UK game. I am not bashing SW either. This is all speculation. They would be better suited to answer that question since they are going out of their way to recruit a JUCO QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUbritt 611 Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 Sounds as if Gus and Rhett may be buying in to the 'can't win without a DTQB' argument. Interesting, if so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiger88 934 Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 Sounds as if Gus and Rhett may be buying in to the 'can't win without a DTQB' argument. Interesting, if so. Sounds like they sold it to this kid. If it is true (afa they really feel that way), it is kind of sad for SW and TM who have banked their potential qb futures on Gus being the genious he's been advertised to be. I'm pretty sure we got them to come here by selling them the opposite line, "we can build our offense around any qb.". If they didn't really feel that way and were just saying it to encourage JF3 to sign with us, well that's another discussion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CCTAU 3,327 Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 Sounds as if Gus and Rhett may be buying in to the 'can't win without a DTQB' argument. Interesting, if so. Dangerous if so. The competition will be an odd one. I doubt anyone else can throw as accurately as SW, but no way SW runs as well as anyone else. So whoever comes out the winner will tell all of us which way the coaches think this offense should progress. If this offense has to have a dt QB to work, then it just might be a high school offense. In the end, it does not matter as long as the offense is successful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
augolf1716 21,202 Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 Well whoever is the QB better be a winner or its going to be even a longer season next year with our schedule Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUbritt 611 Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 Agreed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strychnine 1,802 Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 Sounds as if Gus and Rhett may be buying in to the 'can't win without a DTQB' argument. Interesting, if so. Personally, I think we have a serious problem with QB evaluation and development if Gus thinks he needs a JUCO QB to come in and take over heading into the 4th year of his program. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DAG 33,993 Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 Sounds as if Gus and Rhett may be buying in to the 'can't win without a DTQB' argument. Interesting, if so. Personally, I think we have a serious problem with QB evaluation and development if Gus thinks he needs a JUCO QB to come in and take over heading into the 4th year of his program. I think the writing is on the wall. Look at the two incoming QBs we have coming in the future. Woody and Narcisse are both typical DT QBs. BTW, Woody has some serious confidence in his abilities to start this coming fall. it is going to be a great competition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUbritt 611 Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 Sounds as if Gus and Rhett may be buying in to the 'can't win without a DTQB' argument. Interesting, if so. Personally, I think we have a serious problem with QB evaluation and development if Gus thinks he needs a JUCO QB to come in and take over heading into the 4th year of his program. It's concerning, for sure. I mean, has JJ's lack of performance affected Gus's confidence to that great a degree? Or is Gus listening to others who're telling him he needs a DTQB? Either way, it's bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strychnine 1,802 Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 Sounds as if Gus and Rhett may be buying in to the 'can't win without a DTQB' argument. Interesting, if so. Personally, I think we have a serious problem with QB evaluation and development if Gus thinks he needs a JUCO QB to come in and take over heading into the 4th year of his program. I think the writing is on the wall. Look at the two incoming QBs we have coming in the future. Woody and Narcisse are both typical DT QBs. BTW, Woody has some serious confidence in his abilities to start this coming fall. it is going to be a great competition. I think Gus prefers a dual-threat QB, but I think he also wants a dual-threat that is just as threatening with his arm as his legs. It should be a great competition for the QB spot. The receivers coming in should help too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DAG 33,993 Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 Sounds as if Gus and Rhett may be buying in to the 'can't win without a DTQB' argument. Interesting, if so. Personally, I think we have a serious problem with QB evaluation and development if Gus thinks he needs a JUCO QB to come in and take over heading into the 4th year of his program. I think the writing is on the wall. Look at the two incoming QBs we have coming in the future. Woody and Narcisse are both typical DT QBs. BTW, Woody has some serious confidence in his abilities to start this coming fall. it is going to be a great competition. I think Gus prefers a dual-threat QB, but I think he also wants a dual-threat that is just as threatening with his arm as his legs. It should be a great competition for the QB spot. The receivers coming in should help too. In the article, Franklin said that the coaches thought he passed a little bit better than NM when he was coming in. Honestly, if franklin masters the QB read and can make the obvious passes that would be good enough for them. NM had a cannon, but he wasn't deadly accurate. He made the needed throws and was deadly at the read. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AU64 10,122 Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 Bring 'em on...not like we don't need some help at QB....and the job is likely to be open when spring practice starts. As for Gus needing juco QB help after 4 years....look around and see how many schools are bringing in transfers and 5th year players to fill QB jobs because they did not have anyone in the pipeline. Nothing new here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PigskinPat 2,579 Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 Sounds as if Gus and Rhett may be buying in to the 'can't win without a DTQB' argument. Interesting, if so. Personally, I think we have a serious problem with QB evaluation and development if Gus thinks he needs a JUCO QB to come in and take over heading into the 4th year of his program. I think the writing is on the wall. Look at the two incoming QBs we have coming in the future. Woody and Narcisse are both typical DT QBs. BTW, Woody has some serious confidence in his abilities to start this coming fall. it is going to be a great competition. I think Gus prefers a dual-threat QB, but I think he also wants a dual-threat that is just as threatening with his arm as his legs. It should be a great competition for the QB spot. The receivers coming in should help too. I think you're right. It's not like he is all of a sudden focusing in on recruiting only DT QB's. He's been recruiting them, they've just decided to go to other schools. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strychnine 1,802 Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 Sounds as if Gus and Rhett may be buying in to the 'can't win without a DTQB' argument. Interesting, if so. Personally, I think we have a serious problem with QB evaluation and development if Gus thinks he needs a JUCO QB to come in and take over heading into the 4th year of his program. It's concerning, for sure. I mean, has JJ's lack of performance affected Gus's confidence to that great a degree? Or is Gus listening to others who're telling him he needs a DTQB? Either way, it's bad. I hope Gus realizes that simply inserting a dual-threat QB would not have changed this season that much. QB play ranged from good to adequate to bad, and WR play was equally inconsistent. We're not going to consistently score enough points throwing the ball 20 times or less per game, especially if those 20 attempts are with inconsistent QB and WR play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUbritt 611 Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 Sounds as if Gus and Rhett may be buying in to the 'can't win without a DTQB' argument. Interesting, if so. Personally, I think we have a serious problem with QB evaluation and development if Gus thinks he needs a JUCO QB to come in and take over heading into the 4th year of his program. It's concerning, for sure. I mean, has JJ's lack of performance affected Gus's confidence to that great a degree? Or is Gus listening to others who're telling him he needs a DTQB? Either way, it's bad. I hope Gus realizes that simply inserting a dual-threat QB would not have changed this season that much. QB play ranged from good to adequate to bad, and WR play was equally inconsistent. We're not going to consistently score enough points throwing the ball 20 times or less per game, especially if those 20 attempts are with inconsistent QB and WR play. Agreed. We need good, consistent play at QB in order to win. To me, it's not obvious that simply going with the DTQB is the answer. The answer is having a QB perform well, period -- whether he's a DTQB or whatever. Obviously, I also agree that the WRs need to perform better and would add that we'd be helped by fewer injuries and better overall performance by the OL, as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weegle777 78 Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 Sounds as if Gus and Rhett may be buying in to the 'can't win without a DTQB' argument. Interesting, if so. Personally, I think we have a serious problem with QB evaluation and development if Gus thinks he needs a JUCO QB to come in and take over heading into the 4th year of his program. I think the writing is on the wall. Look at the two incoming QBs we have coming in the future. Woody and Narcisse are both typical DT QBs. BTW, Woody has some serious confidence in his abilities to start this coming fall. it is going to be a great competition. I think Gus prefers a dual-threat QB, but I think he also wants a dual-threat that is just as threatening with his arm as his legs. It should be a great competition for the QB spot. The receivers coming in should help too. I think you're right. It's not like he is all of a sudden focusing in on recruiting only DT QB's. He's been recruiting them, they've just decided to go to other schools. Yep. One went to Clemson and the other went to LSU. If we had one of those guys this offense would be nasty right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FoundationEagle 637 Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 At 6'1" and 183lbs I worry about his durability throughout a season in the SEC. How heavy was Nick Marshall? 210 Quite a difference Nick wasn't that big when he arrived. I don't think he weighed 200 when he got to campus. Nor Did Sean white who is measuring 6 feet and 200 pounds. And is currently injured... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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