Georgia Grand Jury Returns 10 out of 10 Charges

[Didba 5,256]

9 hours ago, Mikey said:

If they are so damn smart why do we always end up bailing them out of their own self-made troubles?

The last time we did that was 1943. I am sorry man, but European democracies studied how we wrote our constitution, then built on that structure and formed modern democracies. You state an opinion, which is fine, I appreciate hearing from you, but what I am talking about isn't opinion. It is what they teach to masters students at Auburn from textbooks.

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[AUDub 11,169]

Just now, auburnatl1 said:

I appreciate your conviction about Europe, but no. If your point is sort of he doesn’t want to nationalize every single industry, that we know of, and that’s the current definition of a “moderate” - sure, ok.

Ah yes, Bernie "seize the means of production" Sanders and his dastardly purges he talks about all the time.  

[Didba 5,256]

2 minutes ago, auburnatl1 said:

I appreciate your conviction about Europe, but no. If your point is sort of he doesn’t want to nationalize every single industry, that we know of, and that’s the current definition of a “moderate” - sure, ok.

"He doesn’t want to nationalize every single industry."  I agree this is a good point.

He isn't a communist man, c'mon.

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[Didba 5,256]

1 hour ago, Cardin Drake said:

I think Trump taking this to trial might be a good thing for him.

Trump doesn't get to "take this" to trial. He gets taken or takes a plea deal. Further, going to trial would be terrible because he would likely perjure himself. That is why he cancelled his press conference as anything he said there would be admissible as an admission by party opponent.

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[auburnatl1 5,006]

2 minutes ago, AUDub said:

Ah yes, Bernie "seize the means of production" Sanders and his dastardly purges he talks about all the time.  

Bernie means well. Most socialists do. The problem is the EU has a much larger population than the us, and as each year passes they innovate less and become strategically less and less globally relevant. Why is that?

[Didba 5,256]

Just now, auburnatl1 said:

Bernie means well. Most socialists do. The problem is the EU has a much larger population than the us, and as each year passes they innovate less and become strategically less and less globally relevant. Why is that?

Not a socialist. Socialist democrat. Please refer to specific countries. Further, another opinion. Also, EU doing preeeeeeeeeeeetty good on the value of the euro vs US$.

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Bernie may very well be a DemSoc but his platform is very SocDem. 

That is, the bedrock of it is still capitalism, with a stronger emphasis on the social safety net. 

Bernie describes his platform as socialist but it is nowhere near that. 

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And I say this as a guy that doesn't even like Bernie and have made that well known over the last 2 presidential elections. 

[Didba 5,256]

Just now, AUDub said:

And I say this as a guy that doesn't even like Bernie and have made that well known over the last 2 presidential elections. 

And I say it as a guy with two degrees in political science, a law degree and a keen interest on competitive politics. Two research papers written on the political spectrum in undergrad and masters. 

[auburnatl1 5,006]

Just now, Didba said:

Not a socialist. Socialist democrat. Please refer to specific countries. Further, another opinion. Also, EU doing preeeeeeeeeeeetty good on the value of the euro vs US$.

If you believe Europe and its systems is a utopian pixie land, we disagree. I personally see a continent that has become listless, dependent, and stale. 

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Just now, auburnatl1 said:

If you believe Europe and its systems is a utopian pixie land, we disagree. I personally see a continent that has become listless, dependent, and stale. 

You're arguing with a strawman. 

[Didba 5,256]

Just now, auburnatl1 said:

If you believe Europe and its systems is a utopian pixie land, we disagree. I personally see a continent that has become listless, dependent, and stale. 

I never said I believed anything like that, my friend. Please don’t put words in my mouth.

Fortunately; your opinions differ from reality but you are entitled to them 

[Cardin Drake 1,853]

12 minutes ago, Didba said:

Trump doesn't get to "take this" to trial. He gets taken or takes a plea deal. Further, going to trial would be terrible. He would perjure himself. That is why he cancelled his press conference as anything he said there would be admissible as an admission by party opponent.

The point is everybody expects his lawyers to attempt to delay the trial until after the election.  I'd like to see this one played out in court with the whole country watching. Let's see the evidence.  I'd love to see Ms. Freeman under oath.   And I and I'm sure Trump's lawyers agree it would not be in his best interests for him to take the stand.

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You're quite welcome. 

Oftentimes, were it not for the strawman, they would have no man lol. 

[Didba 5,256]

1 minute ago, Cardin Drake said:

The point is everybody expects his lawyers to attempt to delay the trial until after the election.  I'd like to see this one played out in court with the whole country watching. Let's see the evidence.  I'd love to see Ms. Freeman under oath.   And I and I'm sure Trump's lawyers agree it would not be in his best interests for him to take the stand.

We don’t have to expect it. You can see it in their legal filings. They are trying to delay it till after the election. Like their motions for continuance and new docket orders are public. I’ve read them. 

[auburnatl1 5,006]

Just now, Didba said:

I never said I believed anything like that, my friend. Please don’t put words in my mouth.

Fortunately; your opinions differ from reality but you are entitled to them 

Crap, and here I thought you  were the one that hopelessly didn’t get it.

We disagree.

[Didba 5,256]

1 minute ago, auburnatl1 said:

Crap, and here I thought you  were the one that hopelessly didn’t get it.

We disagree.

What does this even mean? You are stating your opinion and I’m stating facts that are literally taught to master students at Auburn.

Just move on man. 

[Didba 5,256]

9 minutes ago, Cardin Drake said:

The point is everybody expects his lawyers to attempt to delay the trial until after the election.  I'd like to see this one played out in court with the whole country watching. Let's see the evidence.  I'd love to see Ms. Freeman under oath.   And I and I'm sure Trump's lawyers agree it would not be in his best interests for him to take the stand.

Here’s the filing if you’d like to read it. 

 

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[Cardin Drake 1,853]

2 minutes ago, Didba said:

We don’t have to expect it. You can see it in their legal filings. They are trying to delay it till after the election. Like their motions for continuance and new docket orders are public. I’ve read them. 

It's the safe bet, and lawyers like safe bets.  95% or more of Republicans see these indictments as the dirty politics that they are, but even losing 2 or 3% of his support is enough to cost him the election. He needs a spectacular success, and I think Georgia could provide it. The case is weak, and this is his best chance to lay out the fraud that occurred for the whole country to see.

[Didba 5,256]

37 minutes ago, Cardin Drake said:

It's the safe bet, and lawyers like safe bets.  95% or more of Republicans see these indictments as the dirty politics that they are, but even losing 2 or 3% of his support is enough to cost him the election. He needs a spectacular success, and I think Georgia could provide it. The case is weak, and this is his best chance to lay out the fraud that occurred for the whole country to see.

Okay, so that whole comment is a non-responsive opinion. You said: “The point is everybody expects his lawyers to attempt to delay the trial until after the election.”

And I just replied why we don’t have to expect that. We know he is delaying and I said nothing about his chances at trial besides he shouldn’t testify. (which I’ll be honest I hope with you that it goes to trial before the election and is highly publicized, that would be awesome).

Then I posted court documents that show he is actually attempting to delay the trial until after the election and you responded with his chances at winning the trial which, are I’ll informed opinions because you haven’t read the indictments and get your legal opinions from a truly unbiased source entitled “The American Conservative” a true bastion of journalism. 

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[Didba 5,256]

Also, for anyone that reads all this in the morning. I apologize. Earlier tonight I learned that my law license got sent to my previous place in Houston, and, even though my wife and ex-landlord asked the new tenants to hold on to it so either he or my wife could get it next time they were in Houston(we now live near Dallas), they just threw it away. We even set up mail forwarding.
 

Suffice to say, I had a couple of what I like to call an “I’m mad as hell cocktails”. So some people on here caught some strays. 

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[Cardin Drake 1,853]

15 minutes ago, Didba said:

Also, for anyone that reads all this in the morning. I apologize. Earlier tonight I learned that my law license got sent to my previous place in Houston, and, even though my wife and ex-landlord asked the new tenants to hold on to it so either he or my wife could get it next time they were in Houston(we now live near Dallas), they just threw it away. We even set up mail forwarding.
 

Suffice to say, I had a couple of what I like to call an “I’m mad as hell cocktail”. So some people on here caught some strays. 

Ah, don't be so hard on yourself. It's always fun to see drunken lawyers arguing legalese and missing the actual point.  At least we agree on something; it would be very interesting to see this go to trial before the election. 

[Didba 5,256]

14 minutes ago, Cardin Drake said:

Ah, don't be so hard on yourself. It's always fun to see drunken lawyers arguing legalese and missing the actual point.  At least we agree on something; it would be very interesting to see this go to trial before the election. 

Hmm, you get drunk off of two cocktails? Not I. A couple is two, my friend.

Further, its not legalese. It's Trump's own request to delay the trial until after the election. Moreover, again, I said nothing about his chances at trial besides he shouldn’t testify because he would likely perjure. All I really did was prove your statement about Trump's delay strategy to be completely false through Trump's own court filings.

Why don't you respond to those posts instead of the one where I tongue-in-cheek apologized to everyone tomorrow having to read you being proven wrong with Trump's own filings.

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[auburnatl1 5,006]

The political issues the litigation causes it that trumps lawyers wont just want him to not testify - they’ll try to cut off any off script public speaking, social media, debates, ect.  Nonetheless  he is so undisciplined that he will still probably purger or further expose himself.

[Cardin Drake 1,853]

6 hours ago, Didba said:

Hmm, you get drunk off of two cocktails? Not I. A couple is two, my friend.

Further, its not legalese. It's Trump's own request to delay the trial until after the election. Moreover, again, I said nothing about his chances at trial besides he shouldn’t testify because he would likely perjure. All I really did was prove your statement about Trump's delay strategy to be completely false through Trump's own court filings.

Why don't you respond to those posts instead of the one where I tongue-in-cheek apologized to everyone tomorrow having to read you being proven wrong with Trump's own filings.

Well, let's recap. The article alleged this bombshell: One major event involves Ruby Freeman. Based upon my discussion with witnesses, this low-level Georgia poll worker got spooked after the November 2020 election, asked to speak at a police station, and copped to witnessing, and participating in, voter fraud in the state. Since then, the story in the media has flipped: Rather than whistleblowing on Democratic voter fraud, Ruby Freeman is the victim of witness intimidation. Bringing her to the witness stand and disclosing the evidence she provided (including the police body cam footage where she admits to the fraud)..

Now this is really interesting, if true.  Now does Didba want to discuss this? No. He, having graduated from being the annoying grammar nazi in his friend group, wants to discuss whether it is legally correct to say "Trump should go ahead and take this to trial, being the sloppy layperson that I am, rather than Trump should allow them to take him to trial.  Nobody gives a rat's ass if Trump takes or is taken to trial, or if everyone expects him to fight a delaying action, or if his attorneys are already fighting a delaying action. Meanwhile we have Ms. Freeman on body cam admitting to the fraud in Fulton county. That's actually what might interest us non-lawyers, since it pretty much blows up there whole case if true.  (I wrote there instead of their so you would have something to comment on in this post)

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