Georgia Grand Jury Returns 10 out of 10 Charges

[Didba 5,256]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/08/14/trump-georgia-election-investigation/?utm_source=reddit.com

 

Edited August 15, 2023 by Didba

[LPTiger 5,162]

Let's get him off the ticket so we can consider someone serious like Vivek or Tim.   At the same time. a decent prosector can get a grand jury to return an indictment against an innocent ham sandwhich.   Let's all hope for better choices than what we currently have.   The country deserves better.

 

[Didba 5,256]

3 hours ago, LPTiger said:

Let's get him off the ticket so we can consider someone serious like Vivek or Tim.   At the same time. a decent prosector can get a grand jury to return an indictment against an innocent ham sandwhich.   Let's all hope for better choices than what we currently have.   The country deserves better.

 

https://www.ajc.com/news/read-the-fulton-county-georgia-grand-jury-indictment-of-donald-trump/OVTRMCJLVBBGLCP35UYOCE2TFE/
 

you may want to read the grand jury indictment. I am now. 

Edited August 15, 2023 by Didba

[Didba 5,256]

3 hours ago, LPTiger said:

Let's get him off the ticket so we can consider someone serious like Vivek or Tim.   At the same time. a decent prosector can get a grand jury to return an indictment against an innocent ham sandwhich.   Let's all hope for better choices than what we currently have.   The country deserves better.

 

They are going with a RICO conspiracy charges and thirty people flipped. Trump’s attorneys directly implicated themselves furthering the conspiracy vis a vis implicating him.  He implicated himself plenty.

out of all the criminal prosecutions; this one has the most evidence, testimony and teeth to it. 

[TexasTiger 12,876]

4 hours ago, LPTiger said:

Let's get him off the ticket so we can consider someone serious like Vivek or Tim.   At the same time. a decent prosector can get a grand jury to return an indictment against an innocent ham sandwhich.   Let's all hope for better choices than what we currently have.   The country deserves better.

 

So you think he’s innocent and it’s a sham indictment?

[LPTiger 5,162]

2 hours ago, TexasTiger said:

So you think he’s innocent and it’s a sham indictment?

TT, I've longed said I dislike Trump.   I have no idea if the indictment is a sham or not.   I haven't read it nor will I because I really don't care.   I've been done with him for awhile now.  I care about our country and our leadership.   Trump had great policies in most instances but was not a good leader. Biden has awful policies, has crippled our economy and is even a worse leader than Trump.   As I said above, our country and our people deserve better.

[TexasTiger 12,876]

38 minutes ago, LPTiger said:

TT, I've longed said I dislike Trump.   I have no idea if the indictment is a sham or not.   I haven't read it nor will I because I really don't care.   I've been done with him for awhile now.  I care about our country and our leadership.   Trump had great policies in most instances but was not a good leader. Biden has awful policies, has crippled our economy and is even a worse leader than Trump.   As I said above, our country and our people deserve better.

So you’re convinced Biden is guilty based on minimal evidence, but aren’t sure Trump’s guilty of anything?

And how do you see our economy crippled by Biden?

And will you not vote for Trump under any circumstances?

[LPTiger 5,162]

12 minutes ago, TexasTiger said:

So you’re convinced Biden is guilty based on minimal evidence, but aren’t sure Trump’s guilty of anything?

And how do you see our economy crippled by Biden?

And will you not vote for Trump under any circumstances?

TT, I'm convinced a special prosecutor should be appointed to investigate Biden.   And as the regs require, it should be someone from outside the Justice department unlike Weiss.   With an overheating economy Biden came up with the "Inflation Reduction Act"  (he now says he wished he would not have called it that -- go figure) and poured fuel on the flames.   Consumer prices are up 15% since he took office.   15%!!!!    Hourly wages have remained flat.   You ask the working man, and he will tell you that he is crippled.  His policies/spending have forced the Fed to increase rates at a rapid pace.  Mortgage rates are at 8%.   And, as you know, it's not just me that feels Biden has crippled the economy, I believe the latest polling says over 60% of America feels this way.   I pray I don't have to choose between Trump and Biden.  

[TexasTiger 12,876]

1 hour ago, LPTiger said:

TT, I'm convinced a special prosecutor should be appointed to investigate Biden.   And as the regs require, it should be someone from outside the Justice department unlike Weiss.   With an overheating economy Biden came up with the "Inflation Reduction Act"  (he now says he wished he would not have called it that -- go figure) and poured fuel on the flames.   Consumer prices are up 15% since he took office.   15%!!!!    Hourly wages have remained flat.   You ask the working man, and he will tell you that he is crippled.  His policies/spending have forced the Fed to increase rates at a rapid pace.  Mortgage rates are at 8%.   And, as you know, it's not just me that feels Biden has crippled the economy, I believe the latest polling says over 60% of America feels this way.   I pray I don't have to choose between Trump and Biden.  

We have the best economy and lowest inflation of the G7. Inflation is significantly down since the passage of the act. Manufacturing is up. Wages are way up. Inflation is a global phenomenon not attributable to Biden, and yet we are faring better than most. You act as if the Fed is responding to a distinctly American problem. Ask a working Brit, or Frenchmen or Chinese working man they will have the same concerns, but worse.

Since you haven’t ruled out Trump, and seem intent on telling yourself you had no choice but to do so, perhaps you should be more interested in the multiple serious felonies one of your choices is facing, don’t you think?

[aubiefifty 16,791]

biden will never be as bad as trump. and after all he has done to hurt this country i do not get anyone voting for him. it is almost like you hate america and want to join him in burning her to the ground. anyway i want to say every single time trump gets charged with another crime i feel vindicated. i warned folks and i caught hell from his supporters. i was a liar and all the normal garbage talking points from his side of the aisle. the folks say quit posting about trump it hurts my feelings and reminds me of what a real idiot i am. i have been trying to be nicer but i have a long memory and all the crap said about me for daring to speak out against trump. so let me say i love it.

[Didba 5,256]

1 hour ago, LPTiger said:

TT, I'm convinced a special prosecutor should be appointed to investigate Biden.   And as the regs require, it should be someone from outside the Justice department unlike Weiss.   With an overheating economy Biden came up with the "Inflation Reduction Act"  (he now says he wished he would not have called it that -- go figure) and poured fuel on the flames.   Consumer prices are up 15% since he took office.   15%!!!!    Hourly wages have remained flat.   You ask the working man, and he will tell you that he is crippled.  His policies/spending have forced the Fed to increase rates at a rapid pace.  Mortgage rates are at 8%.   And, as you know, it's not just me that feels Biden has crippled the economy, I believe the latest polling says over 60% of America feels this way.   I pray I don't have to choose between Trump and Biden.  

We always knew that the economy was going to suffer because congress slapped a massive band aid of Covid support during the pandemic. When all that ended and the world economy was still strained by the tail end of the pandemic and the war in Ukraine amongst other things. 

I’m not saying Biden didn’t make it worse but logically, it didn’t matter who was in office. We were always gonna feel the repercussions of the pandemic on the economy. 

[TexasTiger 12,876]

2 hours ago, Didba said:

We always knew that the economy was going to suffer because congress slapped a massive band aid of Covid support during the pandemic. When all that ended and the world economy was still strained by the tail end of the pandemic and the war in Ukraine amongst other things. 

I’m not saying Biden didn’t make it worse but logically, it didn’t matter who was in office. We were always gonna feel the repercussions of the pandemic on the economy. 

The pandemic payouts that happened under Trump were untargeted— I got, but didn’t need, one. The one under Biden was targeted— I didn’t get one. Both were sloppy and ripe with fraud. Both contributed to inflation. Knowledgeable folks have long said near zero interest rates would eventually release inflation. Too much cheap money. Trump’s economy was juiced by free money. Biden’s economy is overcoming interest rates once deemed normal. 

[TitanTiger 20,482]

And yet, some will still vote for him if he's on the ticket.  Mind boggling.

[Mikey 16,600]

23 minutes ago, TitanTiger said:

And yet, some will still vote for him if he's on the ticket.  Mind boggling.

That will depend on who his opponent is. If it's Biden I will certainly vote for Trump. With any luck, neither one will be on the ballot in '24.

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[TitanTiger 20,482]

11 minutes ago, Mikey said:

That will depend on who his opponent is. If it's Biden I will certainly vote for Trump. With any luck, neither one will be on the ballot in '24.

He's a criminal that tried to cheat his way to an election win.  He's an admitted sexual assaulter.  A serial adulterer.  He makes creepy sexualized comments about his own daughter.  Even if I stopped right there (and there's much more we could talk about), he shouldn't even be an option for any person with a functioning moral compass to cast a vote for regardless of who is running against him.

[Mikey 16,600]

5 minutes ago, TitanTiger said:

He's a criminal that tried to cheat his way to an election win.  He's an admitted sexual assaulter.  A serial adulterer.  He makes creepy sexualized comments about his own daughter.  Even if I stopped right there (and there's much more we could talk about), he shouldn't even be an option for any person with a functioning moral compass to cast a vote for regardless of who is running against him.

I disagree. Trump's policies are good for America. Biden's policies are destructive. Both are personal disasters. Anyone who cares about the future of this nation should vote Trump over Biden. That was the case last time but there were too many who failed to examine the consequences of a Biden presidency and voted for Biden because Trump posted mean tweets. 

[TitanTiger 20,482]

1 minute ago, Mikey said:

I disagree. Trump's policies are good for America. Biden's policies are destructive. Both are personal disasters. Anyone who cares about the future of this nation should vote Trump over Biden. That was the case last time but there were too many who failed to examine the consequences of a Biden presidency and voted for Biden because Trump posted mean tweets. 

No one refused to vote for Trump because "mean tweets."

And there are plenty of conservative candidates who can implement policies good for America minus being morally unfit to lead the country.  Continuing to support him is just excuses.

[CoffeeTiger 5,108]

9 minutes ago, Mikey said:

I disagree. Trump's policies are good for America. Biden's policies are destructive. Both are personal disasters. Anyone who cares about the future of this nation should vote Trump over Biden. That was the case last time but there were too many who failed to examine the consequences of a Biden presidency and voted for Biden because Trump posted mean tweets. 

What's funny is that Trumps policies were just standard Republican stuff that any GOP President would have enacted. Tax cuts for the wealthy, tax cuts for corporations, trade protectionism, tough immigration controls, Federalist society judges. Nothing unique or special about Trumps domestic polices. (only thing Trump did differently from standard Republicans was to insult our allies and try to form closer bonds with dictators in N.Korea, Russia, Brazil, etc. )

The only real unique things about Trump was just how dumb and immature he was as a person. Crazy, unhinged tweets 24/7. Weird lies about stuff that didn't matter or make sense, bragging about stuff he didn't do, calling everyone he didn't like names as if he was on a middle school playground. A lack of general knowledge about the US government, the world, or geopolitics. 

 

The GOP chose an adult toddler to be President when they could have chosen anyone to ultimately do exactly what he did domestically. 

 

And to top it all of, Trump at heart is a rich, New York elite. Trump hates and despises many of the lower class working people who voted for him in rural America. Trump wouldn't be caught dead hanging out in most of "Trump Country" 

 

Edited August 15, 2023 by CoffeeTiger

[Mikey 16,600]

3 minutes ago, TitanTiger said:

No one refused to vote for Trump because "mean tweets."

And there are plenty of conservative candidates who can implement policies good for America minus being morally unfit to lead the country.  Continuing to support him is just excuses.

You aren't sticking to your position. You wrote this: " he shouldn't even be an option for any person with a functioning moral compass to cast a vote for regardless of who is running against him.

I never claimed I would prefer Trump over other conservatives. I said I would prefer Trump over Biden. That's an entirely different statement. I'm not supporting Trump. Where did you get that idea? Trump is about 5th or 6th down the list of my preferred Republican nominees, but he's still way above Biden in a general election.

9 minutes ago, CoffeeTiger said:

What's funny is that Trumps policies were just standard Republican stuff that any GOP President would have enacted.

Probably. But, the statement made wasn't about Trump vs. another Republican. The statement was made as Trump vs. Anybody. If the Anybody is Biden, Newsom or someone of similar ilk, then Trump gets my vote.

[AuCivilEng1 11,010]

10 minutes ago, CoffeeTiger said:

What's funny is that Trumps policies were just standard Republican stuff that any GOP President would have enacted. Tax cuts for the wealthy, tax cuts for corporations, trade protectionism, tough immigration controls, Federalist society judges. Nothing unique or special about Trumps domestic polices. (only thing Trump did differently from standard Republicans was to insult our allies and try to form closer bonds with dictators in N.Korea, Russia, Brazil, etc. )

The only real unique things about Trump was just how dumb and immature he was as a person. Crazy, unhinged tweets 24/7. Weird lies about stuff that didn't matter or make sense, bragging about stuff he didn't do, calling everyone he didn't like names as if he was on a middle school playground. A lack of general knowledge about the US government, the world, or geopolitics. 

 

The GOP chose an adult toddler to be President when they could have chosen anyone to ultimately do exactly what he did domestically. 

 

And to top it all of, Trump at heart is a rich, New York elite. Trump hates and despises many of the lower class working people who voted for him in rural America. Trump wouldn't be caught dead hanging out in most of "Trump Country" 

 

If they had chosen anyone else, they wouldn’t have won in 2016, because their policies aren’t popular unless you’re a billionaire.
 

They spent the entire Obama presidency riling up their base with racist and xenophobic dog whistles. The whole Obama birth place nonsense, the terrorist fist bump stuff, etc. It created a very large group of people who felt like minorities were stealing their well being. They want someone they feel like will unapologetically stand up for their intolerance and refusal to adapt to the times.
 

Trump was the perfect candidate, with his harsh and unfiltered political style. I don’t think they will be able to run normal respectable candidates anymore, because that whole Trump base isn’t going to be satisfied with someone like that after having Trump. They won’t have the votes. 

[AuCivilEng1 11,010]

4 minutes ago, Mikey said:

You aren't sticking to your position. You wrote this: " he shouldn't even be an option for any person with a functioning moral compass to cast a vote for regardless of who is running against him.

I never claimed I would prefer Trump over other conservatives. I said I would prefer Trump over Biden. That's an entirely different statement. I'm not supporting Trump. Where did you get that idea? Trump is about 5th or 6th down the list of my preferred Republican nominees, but he's still way above Biden in a general election.

Probably. But, the statement made wasn't about Trump vs. another Republican. The statement was made as Trump vs. Anybody. If the Anybody is Biden, Newsom or someone of similar ilk, then Trump gets my vote.

Curious as to what Democrats would get your vote over a Republican? 
 

I purposely can’t say that there are any Republicans that trump a vote for a democrat unless that Democrat was clearly not a democrat (Kennedy, Gabbard, etc). I would vote for a John Kasich, Cheney, or Romney over Kennedy. 
 

Who do you like on the opposite side?
 

 

[aubiefifty 16,791]

yahoo.com

A look at the 19 people charged in the Georgia indictment connected to Trump election scheme

KATE BRUMBACK and JONATHAN J. COOPER

9–11 minutes

ATLANTA (AP) — Donald Trump and 18 other associates were charged Monday in Georgia as part of a sweeping indictment alleging they schemed to illegally overturn his 2020 election loss and stop the peaceful transition of power.

The indictment, brought by Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis, follows an investigation that lasted more than two years and marks the fourth criminal case brought against the former president.

Those charged in Monday’s indictment face a slew of charges, including racketeering, violating the oath of a public officer, forgery, false statements and other offenses. Prosecutors say they must all surrender to authorities by Aug. 25.

Here’s a look at the 19 defendants charged in the indictment:

DONALD TRUMP: Then-President Donald Trump fixated on Georgia after the 2020 general election, refusing to accept his narrow loss in the state and making unfounded assertions of widespread election fraud there. He also called top state officials, including Gov. Brian Kemp, to urge them to find a way to reverse his loss in the state. In a Jan. 2, 2021, phone call with Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger, Trump suggested the state’s top elections official could help “find” the votes needed for him to win the state. Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis opened an investigation into possible illegal attempts to influence the election shortly after a recording of that call was made public.

RUDY GIULIANI: During several legislative hearings at the Georgia Capitol in December 2020, the former New York mayor and Trump attorney promoted unsupported allegations of widespread election fraud in Georgia. Prosecutors have said Rudy Giuliani was also involved a plan to have 16 Georgia Republicans serve as fake electors, falsely swearing that Trump had won the 2020 presidential election and declaring themselves the state’s “duly elected and qualified” electors.

JOHN EASTMAN: A former dean of Chapman University law school in Southern California, John Eastman, one of Trump’s lawyers, was deeply involved in some of his efforts to remain in power after the 2020 election. He wrote a memo arguing that Trump could remain in power if then-Vice President Mike Pence overturned the results of the election during a joint session of Congress where electoral votes would be counted. That plan included putting in place a slate of “alternate” electors in seven battleground states, including Georgia, who would falsely certify that Trump had won their states.

MARK MEADOWS: Trump’s chief of staff visited Cobb County, in the Atlanta suburbs, while state investigators were conducting an audit of the signatures on absentee ballot envelopes in December 2020. Mark Meadows obtained the phone number of the chief investigator for the secretary of state’s office, Frances Watson, and passed it along to Trump, who called her. He also participated in the Jan. 2, 2021, phone call between Trump and Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger.

SIDNEY POWELL: A lawyer and staunch Trump ally, Sidney Powell was part of a group who met at the South Carolina home of conservative attorney Lin Wood in November 2020 “for the purpose of exploring options to influence the results of the November 2020 elections in Georgia and elsewhere,” prosecutors have said. Wood, who’s licensed in Georgia, said Powell asked him to help find Georgia residents to serve as plaintiffs in lawsuits contesting the state’s election results. Additionally, emails and documents obtained through subpoenas in an unrelated lawsuit have shown that Powell was involved in arranging for a computer forensics team to travel to rural Coffee County, about 200 miles southeast of Atlanta, to copy data and software from elections equipment there in January 2021.

KENNETH CHESEBRO: Prosecutors have said Kenneth Chesebro, an attorney, worked with Georgia Republicans in the weeks after the November 2020 election at the direction of Trump’s campaign. Chesebro worked on the coordination and execution of a plan to have 16 Georgia Republicans sign a certificate declaring falsely that Trump won and declaring themselves the state’s “duly elected and qualified” electors.

JEFFREY CLARK: A U.S. Justice Department official who championed Trump’s false claims of election fraud, Jeffrey Clark presented colleagues with a draft letter pushing Georgia officials to convene a special legislative session on the election results, according to testimony before the U.S. House committee that investigated the Jan. 6, 2021, Capitol riot. Clark wanted the letter sent, but Justice Department superiors refused.

JENNA ELLIS: The lawyer appeared with Rudy Giuliani at a Dec. 3, 2020, hearing hosted by state Republican lawmakers at the Georgia Capitol during which false allegations of election fraud were made. Jenna Ellis also wrote at least two legal memos to Trump and his attorneys advising that Pence should “disregard certified electoral college votes from Georgia and other purportedly ‘contested’ states” when Congress met to certify the election results on Jan. 6, 2021, prosecutors have said.

RAY SMITH: A Georgia-based lawyer, Ray Smith was involved in multiple lawsuits challenging the results of the 2020 election in Georgia. He also gathered witnesses to provide testimony before Georgia legislative subcommittee hearings held in December 2020 on alleged issues with the state’s election.

ROBERT CHEELEY: A Georgia lawyer, Robert Cheeley presented video clips to legislators of election workers at the State Farm Arena in Atlanta and alleged the workers were counting votes twice or sometimes three times. He spoke to the lawmakers after Giuliani.

MICHAEL ROMAN: A former White House aide who served as the director of Trump’s election day operations, Michael Roman was involved in efforts to put forth a set of fake electors after the 2020 election.

DAVID SHAFER: The chairman of the Georgia GOP, Shafer was one of 16 state Republicans who met at the state Capitol on Dec. 14, 2020, to sign a certificate declaring falsely that Trump had won and also declaring themselves the state’s “duly elected and qualified” electors. He also joined Trump in a lawsuit challenging the certification of the 2020 election in Georgia.

SHAWN STILL: He was one of 16 Georgia Republicans who signed a certificate falsely stating that Trump had won the state and declaring themselves the state’s “duly elected and qualified” electors. Shawn Still was the finance chairman for the state GOP in 2020 and served as a Georgia delegate to the Republican National Convention that year. He was elected to the Georgia state Senate in November 2022 and represents a district in Atlanta’s suburbs.

STEPHEN CLIFFGARD LEE: Prosecutors say Stephen Cliffgard Lee, a pastor, worked with others to try to pressure Georgia election worker Ruby Freeman and her daughter after Trump and his allies falsely accused them of pulling fraudulent ballots from a suitcase during the vote count. Lee allegedly knocked on Freeman’s door, frightening her and causing her to call 911 three times, prosecutors said in a court filing last year.

HARRISON WILLIAM PRESCOTT FLOYD: Also known as Willie Lewis Floyd III, he served as director of Black Voices for Trump, and is accused of recruiting Lee to arrange a meeting with Freeman and Chicago-based publicist Trevian Kutti.

TREVIAN C. KUTTI: Prosecutors allege publicist Trevian C. Kutti claimed to have high level law enforcement connections. They say Freeman met with Kutti at a police precinct, where she brought Floyd into the conversation on a speakerphone. Prosecutors say Kutti presented herself as someone who could help Freeman but then pressured her to falsely confess to election fraud.

CATHY LATHAM: One of 16 Georgia Republicans who signed a certificate falsely stating that Trump had won the state and declaring themselves the state’s “duly elected and qualified” electors, Cathy Latham was also chair of the Coffee County Republican Party. She was at the county elections office for much of the day on Jan. 7, 2021, and welcomed a computer forensics team that arrived to copy software and data from the county’s election equipment in what the secretary of state’s office has said was “unauthorized access” to the machines.

SCOTT GRAHAM HALL: An Atlanta-area bail bondsman, Scott Graham Hall was allegedly involved in commandeering voting information that was the property of Dominion Voting Systems from Coffee County, a small south Georgia jurisdiction. Also charged in the scheme were Powell, Latham and former county elections supervisor Misty Hampton.

MISTY HAMPTON: She was the elections director in Coffee County. Misty Hampton was present in the county elections office on Jan. 7, 2021, when a computer forensics team copied software and data from the county’s election equipment. She also allowed two other men who had been active in efforts to question the 2020 election results to access the elections office later that month and to spend hours inside with the equipment.

___

Corrects Stephen Cliffgard Lee entry to reflect that he is accused of trying to pressure Ruby Freeman and her daughter, not Freeman’s mother.

___

Cooper reported from Phoenix.

[TitanTiger 20,482]

3 minutes ago, Mikey said:

You aren't sticking to your position. You wrote this: " he shouldn't even be an option for any person with a functioning moral compass to cast a vote for regardless of who is running against him.

I never claimed I would prefer Trump over other conservatives. I said I would prefer Trump over Biden. That's an entirely different statement. I'm not supporting Trump. Where did you get that idea? Trump is about 5th or 6th down the list of my preferred Republican nominees, but he's still way above Biden in a general election.

Probably. But, the statement made wasn't about Trump vs. another Republican. The statement was made as Trump vs. Anybody. If the Anybody is Biden, Newsom or someone of similar ilk, then Trump gets my vote.

I am sticking to my position.  He's unfit for office.  Completely and utterly.  There are zero excuses for voting for him in any election.

But on top of that, he should never make it out of the primary.  It's an absolute embarrassment and scandal that he's still polling as the overwhelming favorite to win the GOP nomination for 2024.  And it's not enough to sit back and say "well, I'd prefer someone else but I'll vote for him anyway in the end."  To whatever degree you downplay or minimize what he's done to make himself unfit for office, you're an enabler.  

And the only way the GOP (both the leadership AND the primary voters) are going to get it through their cast iron skulls to stop supporting him for nominations is if sane people stop supporting him in general elections simply because he's got an "R" behind his name on the ballot.  If you want better candidates, you have to send a message by refusing to support morally and ethically unfit candidates in the end.  When you fail to do that, the message you send is, "I'm an auto vote for whatever s**t sandwich you'll offer us" and you give zero incentive for people to align behind more reasonable options.  When enough GOP voters grow a set and stop supporting people just because they're the nominee, things will change.

[aubiefifty 16,791]

9 minutes ago, AuCivilEng1 said:

If they had chosen anyone else, they wouldn’t have won in 2016, because their policies aren’t popular unless you’re a billionaire.
 

They spent the entire Obama presidency riling up their base with racist and xenophobic dog whistles. The whole Obama birth place nonsense, the terrorist fist bump stuff, etc. It created a very large group of people who felt like minorities were stealing their well being. They want someone they feel like will unapologetically stand up for their intolerance and refusal to adapt to the times.
 

Trump was the perfect candidate, with his harsh and unfiltered political style. I don’t think they will be able to run normal respectable candidates anymore, because that whole Trump base isn’t going to be satisfied with someone like that after having Trump. They won’t have the votes. 

they smeared obama because he was an "uppity black man". they said he thought he was better than they were and they could not have that. the folks on the right met before obama served a single day and decided not to support him on anything. and then rejoice over a traitor and crook. america is burning folks..........

[TexasTiger 12,876]

11 minutes ago, AuCivilEng1 said:

Curious as to what Democrats would get your vote over a Republican? 
 

I purposely can’t say that there are any Republicans that trump a vote for a democrat unless that Democrat was clearly not a democrat (Kennedy, Gabbard, etc). I would vote for a John Kasich, Cheney, or Romney over Kennedy. 
 

Who do you like on the opposite side?
 

 

Zell Miller