Alabama DB leaves the team....

[runswithscissors 33]

Sam Burnthall (JR) has left the team for personal reasons. he was a 2* in the 2005 class and is from Decatur, AL. best of luck to him and hopefully he will have success if he decides to play somewhere else.

[Hoopie 6]

Was he a So or Jr?

[kickinwang 0]

i could be wrong, but i'm pretty sure its burnthall. we had the same circle of friends back in the day.

[runswithscissors 33]

i could be wrong, but i'm pretty sure its burnthall. we had the same circle of friends back in the day.

it is Burnthall, sorry for the typo.

Hoopie - he was a JR

[townhallsavoy 2]

I heard he got jumped by four freshmen.

[AUesquire 1]

I heard he got jumped by four freshmen.

Oh no you di'in'!!!

[AUloggerhead 2,252]

I heard he got jumped by four freshmen.

Well, bully for them. Were they listed on the depth chart?

[autiger4life 3]

Well as long as he was just a 2 *

[mowegl 4]

haha Burnthall drilled my best friend in the ribs on a crossing route when we played them. My friend was a TE and Burnthall read the play and timed it perfectly. He was a pretty good sized dude then too. My friend was also the punter and it was 3rd down. We had to call a timeout so he could try to get it together. He ended up booming one over the returner who I think was Jerraud at the time.

He used to come to all the Auburn games with us, and after the game we weren't sure if he needed to go to the hospital or not. We ended up just coming down. Needless to say it was a long ride down to Auburn and night for him. I think we beat Arkansas the next day so not all bad.

[The Prowler 1]

Yeah, I heard that he left because he was mad about getting beat up, or something like that....So, what's going on down at the Cokestone? Hmmmm, Disarray?? Maybe?? Yeah, thought so.

[runswithscissors 33]

Yeah, I heard that he left because he was mad about getting beat up, or something like that....So, what's going on down at the Cokestone? Hmmmm, Disarray?? Maybe?? Yeah, thought so.

you know, it really is sad that CTT forced those guys to beat Furr up just to force him off the team. he could have just taken him aside and told him he was off the team.

[WarTim 3,456]

Just another kid that the $4mil boy has kicked to the curb to make room. Sad.....

[LegalEagle 22]

I heard he may have left because there is too much "heat" on the strip in Tuskloser. And, he always wanted to play for a great coach.

[FootballFanatic 4]

Just another kid that the $4mil boy has kicked to the curb to make room. Sad.....

Thats pretty much the story there. This is the first kid without an injury problem or medical issue that has gotten kicked out to make room for Sabans crew. Kid didn't do anything wrong and hes on his way out of school to maybe land in a lesser school.

Nice to see Saban finally cut an undeserving throat to get a bit closer to his scholly limit.

[bamaphan 0]

we were already under the 85 limit this leaves with 82 on scholarship but don't let the facts get in your way

[Argo 8]

Just another kid that the $4mil boy has kicked to the curb to make room. Sad.....

Thats pretty much the story there. This is the first kid without an injury problem or medical issue that has gotten kicked out to make room for Sabans crew. Kid didn't do anything wrong and hes on his way out of school to maybe land in a lesser school.

Nice to see Saban finally cut an undeserving throat to get a bit closer to his scholly limit.

Nice research.

[Bama My Heart 5]

Just another kid that the $4mil boy has kicked to the curb to make room. Sad.....

Thats pretty much the story there. This is the first kid without an injury problem or medical issue that has gotten kicked out to make room for Sabans crew. Kid didn't do anything wrong and hes on his way out of school to maybe land in a lesser school.

Nice to see Saban finally cut an undeserving throat to get a bit closer to his scholly limit.

Why make statements about things that you know nothing about? We don't know what's going on in this kid's life and why he needs to leave school. There could be something wrong with his family, and it is none of our business to know. He asked to be released and permission was given. This happens every day at all universities, and no one questions it, but if Bama does it, then there is some evil reason behind it. We were already below our scholarship limit so why would this kid even enter into that?

I understand wanting to beat another school in sports, disliking some other coach,and even hating another school, but I do not understand the constant picking apart everything that happens somewhere else, and never looking at things that happen at my own school that could easily be misunderstood by someone else.

[Friedchickenman 0]

Just another kid that the $4mil boy has kicked to the curb to make room. Sad.....

Thats pretty much the story there. This is the first kid without an injury problem or medical issue that has gotten kicked out to make room for Sabans crew. Kid didn't do anything wrong and hes on his way out of school to maybe land in a lesser school.

Nice to see Saban finally cut an undeserving throat to get a bit closer to his scholly limit.

Why make statements about things that you know nothing about? We don't know what's going on in this kid's life and why he needs to leave school. There could be something wrong with his family, and it is none of our business to know. He asked to be released and permission was given. This happens every day at all universities, and no one questions it, but if Bama does it, then there is some evil reason behind it. We were already below our scholarship limit so why would this kid even enter into that?

I understand wanting to beat another school in sports, disliking some other coach,and even hating another school, but I do not understand the constant picking apart everything that happens somewhere else, and never looking at things that happen at my own school that could easily be misunderstood by someone else.

I think it's more that most of the people here are just joking and using some of the same words that were used by some Alabama fans concerning Deron Furr, either way, I don't see whats the big deal here. Guy decides he doesn't want to play college ball anymore, it happens all the time, so what?

[au2004ece 30]

we were already under the 85 limit this leaves with 82 on scholarship but don't let the facts get in your way

So, Saban is setting up an excuse for losing to us again this year.

"It's like we are on probation again, we don't have a full scholarship team."

[AUBURNJAC 53]

Just another kid that the $4mil boy has kicked to the curb to make room. Sad.....

Thats pretty much the story there. This is the first kid without an injury problem or medical issue that has gotten kicked out to make room for Sabans crew. Kid didn't do anything wrong and hes on his way out of school to maybe land in a lesser school.

Nice to see Saban finally cut an undeserving throat to get a bit closer to his scholly limit.

Why make statements about things that you know nothing about? We don't know what's going on in this kid's life and why he needs to leave school. There could be something wrong with his family, and it is none of our business to know. He asked to be released and permission was given. This happens every day at all universities, and no one questions it, but if Bama does it, then there is some evil reason behind it. We were already below our scholarship limit so why would this kid even enter into that?

I understand wanting to beat another school in sports, disliking some other coach,and even hating another school, but I do not understand the constant picking apart everything that happens somewhere else, and never looking at things that happen at my own school that could easily be misunderstood by someone else.

Once again, you Bammies have forgotten one truth........ THIS IS AN AUBURN BOARD! I know, I know, not one bad word or "picking apart" of Auburn is EVER said on the Bammie board. We are just rude, crude, and socially unacceptable compared to you and your program.

[Bama My Heart 5]

Just another kid that the $4mil boy has kicked to the curb to make room. Sad.....

Thats pretty much the story there. This is the first kid without an injury problem or medical issue that has gotten kicked out to make room for Sabans crew. Kid didn't do anything wrong and hes on his way out of school to maybe land in a lesser school.

Nice to see Saban finally cut an undeserving throat to get a bit closer to his scholly limit.

Why make statements about things that you know nothing about? We don't know what's going on in this kid's life and why he needs to leave school. There could be something wrong with his family, and it is none of our business to know. He asked to be released and permission was given. This happens every day at all universities, and no one questions it, but if Bama does it, then there is some evil reason behind it. We were already below our scholarship limit so why would this kid even enter into that?

I understand wanting to beat another school in sports, disliking some other coach,and even hating another school, but I do not understand the constant picking apart everything that happens somewhere else, and never looking at things that happen at my own school that could easily be misunderstood by someone else.

Once again, you Bammies have forgotten one truth........ THIS IS AN AUBURN BOARD! I know, I know, not one bad word or "picking apart" of Auburn is EVER said on the Bammie board. We are just rude, crude, and socially unacceptable compared to you and your program.

Hey, post what you want, because it's your board. I just said that I didn't understand some of the digs.

I only go on 1 Bama board, and I just don't see the negative things that you guys say are on the Bama board. Maybe I am just bias and don't see the things said as negative, but I know that there are not as many posts about Auburn on that board as there are about Bama on this one. I guess that is why I come here. I want to know what you guys are saying, and I guess I enjoy the banter. If you don't want us here, then quit talking about us............just kidding. I like the back and forth, as long as it just doesn't get insulting, and some of us take it to another level.

[WAR-MATT 2]

Just another kid that the $4mil boy has kicked to the curb to make room. Sad.....

Thats pretty much the story there. This is the first kid without an injury problem or medical issue that has gotten kicked out to make room for Sabans crew. Kid didn't do anything wrong and hes on his way out of school to maybe land in a lesser school.

Nice to see Saban finally cut an undeserving throat to get a bit closer to his scholly limit.

Ask our local bammers who his best friend on the team was. His intials are JJ and he was quiet the entrepreneur.

[FootballFanatic 4]

So he isn't leaving by request, its due to withdrawls...

I see. THe shakes can mess a kid up when he is trying to play ball.

(that was all in jest and I do not actually have any knowledge or suggest this kid does drugs)

[FootballFanatic 4]

The Scholarship Numbers: The Final AnalysisPublished in August 4th, 2008 Posted by nxojkt in FootballAs fall camp opens it is time to take a final look at the scholarship numbers situation for the University of Alabama football team. If you haven’t been with us, here is the history of this situation:

The basic information that you need to know if you are new to this:

Every football team in Division 1 Bowl Sub-Division (a stupid name if you ask me) is allowed to have 85 student-athletes on scholarship.

No group of incoming football scholarship student-athletes can exceed 25 players.

Alabama’s 2008 signing class consisted of 32 players, meaning the Tide had to get that number down to 25.

At the close of the 2007 season, it appeared as though Alabama would have 69 scholarship players returning for competition in 2008.

Adding 69 and 32 gives you 101 - obviously way too many for the 85 limit.

The incoming class of 31 Freshman & 1 Junior College Transfer, is currently set at 26. Here’s how we got there:

While that is technically 2 over the limit of 25, the Tide took advantage of an NCAA rule that allows players who enroll in January to “back count” towards the previous year’s group of incoming players, given that you have room for them under that year’s 25 limit. Alabama did have room, and both Chris Jackson and Corey Smith took advantage of this rule.

Academics claimed Devonta Bolton & Brandon Lewis, with both players enrolling at East Mississippi Community College. .

Major League Baseball claimed Destin Hood & Melvin Ray (though Hood has not yet signed his MLB contract and could technically report to Alabama).

Kerry Murphy has yet to qualify academically. There is an appeals process going on, but that is not expected to be resolved. There is hope that he might qualify in time to enroll in January.

Jermaine Preyear has a shoulder injury that will keep him from participating in football until January, so he will not enroll until then.

As for the returning players and getting that number down:

Jeremy Elder (DL) was dismissed from both the football team and the University of Alabama after being arrested for assault on the Alabama campus - February 17.

BJ Stabler (OL) was placed on to a medical hardship scholarship due to deteriorating knees - February 26.

Cody Davis (OL) was placed on to a medical hardship scholarship due to a shoulder injury that held him out for most of the 2007 season - February 26.

Chris Lett (DB) was placed on to a medical hardship due to complications with juvenile diabetes - March 13.

Tremayne Coger (DB) left the team to pursue opportunities elsewhere - April 10.

Charles Hoke (OL/TE) was placed on to a medical hardship scholarship due to problems with his shoulder - May 1.

Lionel Mitchell (DB) was placed on to a medical hardship scholarship due to an recurring back injury that held him out of the entire spring - June 19.

Jimmy Johns (LB) was dismissed from both the football team and the University of Alabama after being arrested for selling cocaine - June 26.

Tarence Farmer (WR/DB) has transferred to the University of Wyoming - July 9.

Ezekial Knight (LB) was sadly medically disqualified - July 17.

Patrick Crump (OL) citing personal reasons, gave up football - July 31.

That leaves the total number of returning players at 58. They are: (click on a player’s name for our profile on him)

Seniors: (9) - Antoine Caldwell, Marlon Davis, Bobby Greenwood, Rashad Johnson, Travis McCall, Will Oakley, Nikita Stover, Nick Walker & John Parker Wilson.

Juniors: (21) - Eryk Anders, Javier Arenas, Sam Burnthall, Evan Cardwell, Glen Coffee, Drew Davis, Brandon Deaderick, Brandon Fanney, Prince Hall, Baron Huber, Marquis Johnson, Mike Johnson, Mike McCoy, Colin Peek, Cory Reamer, Chris Rogers, Ali Sharrief, Andre Smith, Roy Upchurch, Lorenzo Washington & Justin Woodall.

Sophomores: (17) - Earl Alexander, Luther Davis, Preston Dial, Terry Grant, Darius Hanks, Charlie Higgenbotham, Kareem Jackson, Charlie Kirschman, Rolando McClain, Greg McElroy, Alfred McCullough, Brian Motley, Taylor Pharr, David Ross, Travis Sikes, Milton Talbert & Chavis Williams.

Freshmen: (11) - Josh Chapman, Nick Fanuzzi, Nick Gentry, Brandon Gibson, Demetrius Goode, Jeramie Griffin, Jennings Hester, Marquis Maze, Chris Underwood, William Vlachos & Alex Watkins.

Incoming Players: (26) - Mark Barron, Undra Billingsley, John Michael Boswell, Terrence Cody (JUCO), Marcel Dareus, Robby Green, Glenn Harbin, Jerrell Harris, Don’ta Hightower, Mark Ingram, Chris Jackson (counted towards 2007), Star Jackson, Barrett Jones, Julio Jones, Chris Jordan, Alonzo Lawrence, Robert Lester, Tyler Love, Ivan Matchett, Wesley Neighbors, Burton Scott, Brad Smelley, Corey Smith (counted towards 2007), Damion Square, Courtney Upshaw & Michael Williams.

[b]So that has the number squarely at 84, one less than the required limit of 85. And that number of 84 could actually be higher than the reality. How?

Wesley Neighbors qualifies for the Bryant Scholarship. That’s a complicated matter made much more simple in this article.

As many as 4 players in the Bama’s incoming class were rumored to have offered to pay their own way, essentially making them walk-ons - for clarification of that, click on the Bryant Scholarship article linked just above. Because those were rumors, we don’t know for certain who those players are, or if there actually was an offer. If the rumors are true, the best bets would be: Tyler Love (Mountain Brook, AL is an extremely wealthy area), Barrett Jones (Germantown, TN is an extremely wealthy area), Brad Smelley (his father Bart is a well known and highly successful Tuscaloosa business man) & Mark Ingram (his father played in the NFL).

So why would it be important for Bama to have less than 84? Scroll back up and look at the number of Seniors listed on the roster. Bama will lose only 9 players to graduation, meaning we’ll have to do this all over again in 2009.[/b]

Just to get a heads up on that:

It is expected that Andre Smith will likely leave after next season for the NFL Draft, so that would open another spot.

If Neighbors is on the Bryant Scholarship, or any players from the 2008 class do pay their own way, that opens up another spot.

Bama already has 13 verbal commitments for 2009, plus the possibility of both Preyear & Murphy joining the team.

We’ll worry about that in January, however… and I’m sure Coach Saban will take the same “the numbers will work themselves out” and “we have a plan” attitude as he did this past season. And for good reasons - they did have a plan, and things did work themselves out.

Getting back to 2008 - what does it potentially mean for 2008 that Bama is under the 85 limit? It means that a scholarship could be awarded to a deserving walk-on. Given the numbers crunch the Tide faces for 2009 it would likely be a Senior walk-on, like Defensive Tackle Brad Pounds.

Though he is a Junior, Scott Deaton could also benefit. He is a Bryant Scholarship player that has not played to this point in his career. If he plays this year, since he was recruited, he would count towards the 85 number. Given Bama’s lack of depth on the Offensive Line, specifically at the Left Tackle position that Scott plays, this could become a requirement. And there is now room for Scott to play if it becomes necessary.

Things could still change between now and August 20 when school starts. Until the players enroll full-time and receive their grant-in-aid money for the fall semester, things can change. At this point, though, anything would be a shock.

The team practices in full pads today at 2:30. We’ll have a report as soon as we can.

link http://www.bamasportsreport.com/2008/08/04...nalysis/[/http]

Looks like there is some room to squeeze out for a few more schollies for possible players.

So now that I researched and the research lends itself to the fact that though Bama can technically try to have all these players show up some paying their own way and one on a bryant schollie, the reality seems like they will try to make some more room. So we back to this guy being influenced to depart to make room for people who aren't 2 stars and Saban wants to have playtime?

[Argo 8]

So now that I researched and the research lends itself to the fact that though Bama can technically try to have all these players show up some paying their own way and one on a bryant schollie, the reality seems like they will try to make some more room. So we back to this guy being influenced to depart to make room for people who aren't 2 stars and Saban wants to have playtime?

No, because we were never there to begin with. We were already under the scholly limit so there was no need for Saban to "cut an undeserving throat to get a bit closer to his scholly limit".

As far as players who Saban wants to have playtime, are you suggesting that Burnthall was owed playing time this fall?