autan 748 Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 I completely agree with you Mikey, this is getting disheartening. We should be trying to hold onto these guys not completely overhaul a recruiting class with basically a month to go. Whether these guys are the best fit possible (as far as body type or scheme) shouldn't be THE determining factor, at this point. The ones that were committed to our previous coaches and not to Auburn need to go. Sorry. But Don't worry . Kids will flip our way when coaches are in place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUfanaticAU 0 Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 I completely agree with you Mikey, this is getting disheartening. We should be trying to hold onto these guys not completely overhaul a recruiting class with basically a month to go. Whether these guys are the best fit possible (as far as body type or scheme) shouldn't be THE determining factor, at this point. The ones that were committed to our previous coaches and not to Auburn need to go. Sorry. But Don't worry . Kids will flip our way when coaches are in place. People...stop saying this. Just because a recruit decommits doesnt mean he wasnt commited to Auburn. It just means he thinks that going somewhere else is the best for him and his career. And can you blame him??? We dont even have a linebacker coach and we are less that 3 months till signing day. Every recruit, no matter how much they love Auburn, wants to have a good relationship with the coaches. Right now we havent buillt those relationships, so decommitments are expected. But its still depressing cause we have only 3 SEC caliber recruits on our roster, and we just lost Rueben Foster, Trey Johnson, and now Davis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GenesChin 9 Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 When you spend your entire four year career playing for these coaches, practicing multiple hours a day with them and finally playing in their scheme, you bet your a** that part of the commitment is to the coaches. We have brought in a new defensive scheme, new coaches these players don't know and feel comfortable with yet and are coming off a rough year, unless you grew up an AU fan, you better believe you are having second thoughts. These kids aren't coming here for the nursing program or what the downtown scene is like, they are coming to Auburn to play football and that will be their life for the next 3-5 years. When what they have committed to has changed, they have every right to second guess and change their mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auburn20041345162806 0 Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 Last year I said this at the old AE site and there was a huge blow up that made me decide I could care less about these boards for a while but here it goes again. I don't see blaming a kid for changing a commitment or wanting to be sure, the system is stacked in the favor of schools. Many of your top programs politely escort you out in a year if u can't produce, meanwhile a kid like grant or blakely decides they made the wrong choice or want to change schools and they lose a year. And then you get to the point where we all want future NFL talent well to those guys who seem to have the best shot it's not just about the school you also have to think does what this team wants to do help me or hurt me. As a school auburn will make decisions that are in the best interest of auburn (and nothing is wrong with that), these players owe it to theirselves and their families to weigh their options and make the choice that fits them best. I hate to loose any of these kids but that is just the nature of these things, we should be respectful of them as they try to choose what is in their best interest. I will just keep my fingers crossed that we are the best choice for some of these guys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueridge 29 Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 I completely agree with you Mikey, this is getting disheartening. We should be trying to hold onto these guys not completely overhaul a recruiting class with basically a month to go. Whether these guys are the best fit possible (as far as body type or scheme) shouldn't be THE determining factor, at this point. The ones that were committed to our previous coaches and not to Auburn need to go. Sorry. But Don't worry . Kids will flip our way when coaches are in place. People...stop saying this. Just because a recruit decommits doesnt mean he wasnt commited to Auburn. It just means he thinks that going somewhere else is the best for him and his career. And can you blame him??? We dont even have a linebacker coach and we are less that 3 months till signing day. Every recruit, no matter how much they love Auburn, wants to have a good relationship with the coaches. Right now we havent buillt those relationships, so decommitments are expected. But its still depressing cause we have only 3 SEC caliber recruits on our roster, and we just lost Rueben Foster, Trey Johnson, and now Davis. You sound like somebody's whiny sister. What did you expect to happen when the entire coaching staff was canned? Players aren't decommitting because we don't have a LB coach-players are decommitting because all of the coaches and recruiters that have developed relationships with them over time were canned and other schools have been in their ear nonstop. You simply can't hope to fire a coaching staff and keep all the players those coaches recruited.. Now I'm not sure what you meant by saying that "we have only 3 SEC caliber recruits on our roster", but, no matter how you meant it, you are just plain wrong. Commit, decommit..all these decisions mean jack until signing day. So what if Jarrad Davis decommitted? He's just another undersized high school LB. But if the new coaching staff really wants him, they have until February to change his mind (if he'll change it once he'll change it twice) The AUfamily recruiting forum often has good information, but too often it is overrun by adults obsessing over the whims of high school kids. Its almost unseemly. Man up you guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beagle34 72 Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 AU will replace this spot with equal or better talent that will fit in the new defense scheme.I think it is silly to think otherwise . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SumterAubie 3,031 Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 I'm relieved to know we have so many football experts on this forum. Malzahn can rely on them to make these recruiting decisions as by reading these posts Malzahn apparently doesn't know what he is doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDUBB4AU 5,121 Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 Good Luck to Davis Hate to lose him... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUinGA44 265 Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 Disappointed but not surprised by this one. Camden Co is probably 5 1/2 hours from AU and only an hour or so from Gainesville. The kid wants to play closer to home and I can't fully blame him. Maybe we will be able to bring him back once we get a full staff. I really hate losing him though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naildawg 62 Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 Somebody said it before but people wanted to blow everything up ( and it was likely necessary) but you can't break things without collateral damage. You can't have it both ways. It seems coach Johnson is hard at trying to salvage what he can. Be of good cheer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUfanaticAU 0 Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 I completely agree with you Mikey, this is getting disheartening. We should be trying to hold onto these guys not completely overhaul a recruiting class with basically a month to go. Whether these guys are the best fit possible (as far as body type or scheme) shouldn't be THE determining factor, at this point. The ones that were committed to our previous coaches and not to Auburn need to go. Sorry. But Don't worry . Kids will flip our way when coaches are in place. People...stop saying this. Just because a recruit decommits doesnt mean he wasnt commited to Auburn. It just means he thinks that going somewhere else is the best for him and his career. And can you blame him??? We dont even have a linebacker coach and we are less that 3 months till signing day. Every recruit, no matter how much they love Auburn, wants to have a good relationship with the coaches. Right now we havent buillt those relationships, so decommitments are expected. But its still depressing cause we have only 3 SEC caliber recruits on our roster, and we just lost Rueben Foster, Trey Johnson, and now Davis. You sound like somebody's whiny sister. What did you expect to happen when the entire coaching staff was canned? Players aren't decommitting because we don't have a LB coach-players are decommitting because all of the coaches and recruiters that have developed relationships with them over time were canned and other schools have been in their ear nonstop. You simply can't hope to fire a coaching staff and keep all the players those coaches recruited.. Now I'm not sure what you meant by saying that "we have only 3 SEC caliber recruits on our roster", but, no matter how you meant it, you are just plain wrong. Commit, decommit..all these decisions mean jack until signing day. So what if Jarrad Davis decommitted? He's just another undersized high school LB. But if the new coaching staff really wants him, they have until February to change his mind (if he'll change it once he'll change it twice) The AUfamily recruiting forum often has good information, but too often it is overrun by adults obsessing over the whims of high school kids. Its almost unseemly. Man up you guys. Sorry I meant to say 3 SEC caliber linebackers on our roster and Im sorry that is just being truthful. I think you misunderstood what I was trying to say. Im not the one whining. All the people saying, "Oh we didnt need/want that recuit because he decommitted from us and that means he's selfish" . All I'm tryin to say is when a kid decommits from us dont act like we are better off without him. For all we know he might flip back (like you said). When we start saying a recruit is childish/immature/selfish we start sound like the bammers. I dont want us being like that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBlueVue 177 Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 I look at all these "woe is me" "this is disheatening" posts and just SMH. Its not like any of this was unexpected. It happens. Recruiting at this stage whether you replace a staff or not can be all about gutters and strikes...there will be exaggerated ups and downs for us in the short term but in the end......the dude..Auburn....will abide, breathe, relax..its going to be fine when all is said and done! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockfordpi 91 Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 Somebody said it before but people wanted to blow everything up ( and it was likely necessary) but you can't break things without collateral damage. You can't have it both ways. It seems coach Johnson is hard at trying to salvage what he can. Be of good cheer. The bad thing is that the ONE and ONLY thing about our program that WAS WORKING was RECRUITING. I hope we have not blown that up as well. How well we recruit and and how soon we do it will determine how long it takes us to get back. If this class tanks and or we miss judge a few key signees, we will shift from a 4 year plan to a 5 year plan. All you guys who wanted massive change now better be prepared to be patient. I know recruiting is not an end in and of itself. However, unless your recruit with GA, FLA, LSU, and UAT, you will not be able to compete with them. This idea that we can hire genius coaches and take less talent and win is crap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUfanaticAU 0 Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 I know recruiting is not an end in and of itself. However, unless your recruit with GA, FLA, LSU, and UAT, you will not be able to compete with them. This idea that we can hire genius coaches and take less talent and win is crap. This is exactly what Ive been trying to say. People think you can just beat the great teams with just a bunch of 3 stars as long as you "coach then up" which is not a bad idea until you look at saban/richt/miles/muschamp who are getting 5 stars and "coaching them up" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hopsing 585 Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 Somebody said it before but people wanted to blow everything up ( and it was likely necessary) but you can't break things without collateral damage. You can't have it both ways. It seems coach Johnson is hard at trying to salvage what he can. Be of good cheer. The bad thing is that the ONE and ONLY thing about our program that WAS WORKING was RECRUITING. I hope we have not blown that up as well. How well we recruit and and how soon we do it will determine how long it takes us to get back. If this class tanks and or we miss judge a few key signees, we will shift from a 4 year plan to a 5 year plan. All you guys who wanted massive change now better be prepared to be patient. I know recruiting is not an end in and of itself. However, unless your recruit with GA, FLA, LSU, and UAT, you will not be able to compete with them. This idea that we can hire genius coaches and take less talent and win is crap. While I do agree with you on this, I for 1 will allow Gus and staff to make the best decisions they see that fit what they are looking. for. I am not saying any decommittred recruits would not be good for AU, and coaching staff, but they are the coaches and will get paid and graded on all their decisions. Also agree with many posters that the negative news has been going on since beginning of September, and would love to begin to see some positive news! WDE, and go Falcons at 1:00! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnjacob 44 Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 I know recruiting is not an end in and of itself. However, unless your recruit with GA, FLA, LSU, and UAT, you will not be able to compete with them. This idea that we can hire genius coaches and take less talent and win is crap. This is exactly what Ive been trying to say. People think you can just beat the great teams with just a bunch of 3 stars as long as you "coach then up" which is not a bad idea until you look at saban/richt/miles/muschamp who are getting 5 stars and "coaching them up" Davis was a 3* so maybe Malzahn & co. agree with you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AU64 10,122 Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 Losing commits is part of the deal when you make a wholesale coaching change. If Gus can hang onto the best recruites... so much the better but on the other hand, he has a chance to swing some new ones to us (including Jucos) who fit his plans for the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GenesChin 9 Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 This is exactly what Ive been trying to say. People think you can just beat the great teams with just a bunch of 3 stars as long as you "coach then up" which is not a bad idea until you look at saban/richt/miles/muschamp who are getting 5 stars and "coaching them up" The idea that recruting websites perfectly assess players and give them stars accurately is ridiculous. The idea that players have completely physically matured when they are 18 is ridiculous. The chances that a coaching staff with superb evaluation skills can't find kids that are underrated or diamonds in the rough is ridiculous. There are a lot of 3 stars that are top caliber athletes that are missed if you can get them you can win. Just needs good evaluation skills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AU64 10,122 Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 This is exactly what Ive been trying to say. People think you can just beat the great teams with just a bunch of 3 stars as long as you "coach then up" which is not a bad idea until you look at saban/richt/miles/muschamp who are getting 5 stars and "coaching them up" The idea that recruting websites perfectly assess players and give them stars accurately is ridiculous. The idea that players have completely physically matured when they are 18 is ridiculous. The chances that a coaching staff with superb evaluation skills can't find kids that are underrated or diamonds in the rough is ridiculous. There are a lot of 3 stars that are top caliber athletes that are missed if you can get them you can win. Just needs good evaluation skills From looking at the bios of higher rated HS players, many of them are 18 or even 19 years old ...so it's not a surprise that they dominate in HS when playing against younger and smaller opponents. A lot the star ratings is based on who is chasing a kid...if Bama wants him or ND or USCw then he must at least be a 4* and the services will assign that rating sight unseen. JMO but we have to trust our coaches to find the kids they want...to fill the needs AU has. The number of walk-ons and lower rated HS players now playing in the NFL is huge. Talent spotting is an art as is helping kids grow to their potential. I just hope Gus and his staff have that ability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bro Johnny Mac 1,399 Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 All of the "fire everybody" guys cant cry on NSD this year. if Gus can slavage a top 15-20 this year,it will be a good job IMO. We may have been headed for a top 5,I dont see that happening.We will need top 10-15 type classes to compete got SEC titles every year.I believe Gus can start building now for these future signing classes,but this years class will most likely suffer,so please no crying.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronMan70 3,277 Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 Calm down folks. Gus has been on the job a couple weeks and some people are acting like losing 5 or 6 Freshmen recruits is going to make or break us for the next 5 years. Let the guy work his magic, this is what making sausage looks like. What will make or break us is making sure we have quality position coaches on staff for next year. We need them to develop the 65 or so scholly players we already have on the team, plus the 15 -20 we sign. The on field improvement in next year's team will have more impact on '14 recruiting than anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aupops2 9 Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 Jarrad Davis was a CVBG and CWM target early. He is a talented kid, just look at is stats this year. But both his lead recruiiters are gone; no surprise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ValleyTiger 2,894 Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 I'm an engineer. I like numbers. Right now, they aren't looking so good with typical roster attrition and a potentially shallow 2013 class. I am not doom and gloom nor am I hanging on every whim or tweet by these kids; however, IMHO a complete overhaul of this class isn't looking good right now. We'll see how things shake out come February 6th; until then it's all a guess, even by our coaching staff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjazz 0 Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 I love 3 star recruits if you have a system like Tubs did. Get em in. Yoxercise them for a year with a redshirt. Backup and special teams for a year. Then compete for a starting job. You have to be on a 4 or 5 year plan to do that. I'm not sure Gus has that long which is maybe why you see a no. of Juco recruits right now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GenesChin 9 Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 The redshirt plan is a very effective plan and I was never sure why Chizik did not utilize it. Players on the team, after they realized they were special teams only players, wwere upset they burned their redshirts (Jonathan Jones is an example) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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