Messianism: Not just for Obamaphiles anymore!

[TitanTiger 20,472]

Remember when folks were warning that Obama’s base thought he was the Messiah?  

Silly liberals.  Always thinking their guy is the next messiah.

Fast forward to now:

Liberty University students and faculty are helping produce an 85-minute feature film that will be shown in over 1,000 theatres nationwide highlighting one man’s “Trump prophecy” and a movement of prayer that led up to the election of President Donald Trump.

The film, titled “The Trump Prophecy,” will be shown at select cinemas nationwide on Oct. 2 and Oct. 4 and is a production led and funded by producer Rick Eldridge and his Charlotte-based ReelWorks Studios, which also helped produce the 2015 documentary based on the book Four Blood Moons by megachurch Pastor John Hagee.

About 56 Liberty University students and several staff members from the Virginia Christian school’s cinematic arts department will also work on the project as part of the department’s spring semester film project.

The film focuses on the prophecy of a retired Florida firefighter named Mark Taylor, who claims that God told him in April 2011 that Trump would one day become president. Although Taylor initially thought that meant that Trump would become president in 2012, the prophecy was ultimately fulfilled in November 2016.

Taylor’s prophetic claim was described in his 2017 book, The Trump Prophecies: The Astonishing True Story of the Man Who Saw Tomorrow… and What He Says Is Coming Next.

And it's not just some nutty evangelicals.  The Catholics are getting in on the action too:

Monica Crowley, at the David Horowitz Freedom Center’s 2017 Restoration Weekend (Nov. 16th-19th), gives a stirring speech that identifies all of the forces President Donald Trump has faced and is facing. It’s mind-boggling when one sees it all laid out like this. As Monica lays out so clearly, the seemingly invincible ruling class has met up with a formidable opponent in Donald Trump, and they are scared to death. Could it be that we may be freed from the stranglehold of “Secular Satanism” by way of President Donald Trump?

I am not working for the cause for President Trump’s canonization, but I do believe, through the prayers of hundreds of thousands of people of faith, we may have been delivered a Constantine.

https://catholicismpure.wordpress.com/2018/02/06/fr-richard-heilman-yes-i-believe-president-trump-was-an-answer-to-prayers/

And thus you find something like this driving around:

And I was accused of hyperbole when I said Republican voters were elevating their political commitments to the level of idolatry this past election.

condensed from this link:  http://www.patheos.com/blogs/markshea/2018/06/secular-messianism-is-alive-and-well-in-the-age-of-king-donald-i.html

[GiveEmElle 1,559]

Now we know what white republican Jesus looks like. 

[homersapien 11,367]

10 minutes ago, GiveEmElle said:

Now we know what white republican Jesus looks like. 

Yeah, he's orange.

[homersapien 11,367]

I don't get it.  Trump could give a s*** about any religion, including Christianity.  Maybe especially Christianity.

What are they seeing in this narcissistic psychopath?    

I can understand why rich oligarchs and loser racists love him, but Christians???     Help me out.

[GiveEmElle 1,559]

12 minutes ago, homersapien said:

I don't get it.  Trump could give a s*** about any religion, including Christianity.  Maybe especially Christianity.

What are they seeing in this narcissistic psychopath?    

I can understand why rich oligarchs and loser racists love him, but Christians???     Help me out.

This is just a hypothesis of course but I’m certain they think Jesus is a white Republican, so therefore Trump is Jesus, who left a heavenly golden mansion, Trump Tower, to be ridiculed and tormented and crucified by the Pharisee Press while doing God’s work of healing the sick by taking away their healthcare and letting them die to feeding the hungry wealthy 1% with baskets of tax cuts.

[homersapien 11,367]

9 minutes ago, GiveEmElle said:

This is just a hypothesis of course but I’m certain they think Jesus is a white Republican, so therefore Trump is Jesus, who left a heavenly golden mansion, Trump Tower, to be ridiculed and tormented and crucified by the Pharisee Press while doing God’s work of healing the sick by taking away their healthcare and letting them die to feeding the hungry wealthy 1% with baskets of tax cuts.

This is a very bad reflection on Christianity as an organized religion. 

It leads me to think that genuine Christians are a small minority of those who self-identify as Christian.  

[GiveEmElle 1,559]

3 minutes ago, homersapien said:

This is a very bad reflection on Christianity as an organized religion. 

It leads me to think that genuine Christians are a small minority of those who self-identify as Christian.  

Real Christians recognize this is a bad reflection. Pastors like John Pavlovitz are expressing vocal opposition to the messsge of evangelicals like Franklin Graham. And your thinking is correct. 

[GiveEmElle 1,559]

God Has Nothing to Do With Trump Being President

JUNE 8, 2018 / JOHN PAVLOVITZ

If I hear one more Evangelical claim that God chose Donald Trump, I’m swear I’m gonna rapture myself.

Christian Trumpers really need to stop spiritualizing the man, his campaign, and his Presidency.

It’s sinful.
It’s blasphemous.
It’s lousy evangelism.
It’s also just plain asinine.

The hypocrisy on display is historic: after spending the past 8 years straining to find infinitesimal specks in Barack Obama’s eye that they could condemn as dealbreakers—Evangelicals are now perfectly fine with Trump’s forest of Redwoods.

In fact, in the most dizzying display of theological spin doctoring, it is now precisely his ever-growing trail of personal toxic discharge that supposedly proves evidence of God’s hand in it all.

 

So Trump’s multiple marriages, his porn star affairs, his mountain of sexual assault claims, his verbal obscenities, his disregard for rule of law, his compulsive lying, his clear racism, his unrelenting attacks on marginalized communities (things these Christians would have figuratively and almost literally crucified Obama for) are now unmistakable signs that God is using this President.

This is nonsense of Biblical proportions; to try and draw some line between Jesus of Nazareth and Don of New York, is about as farcical as you can get without actually spontaneously combusting from the cognitive dissonance.

Dying to justify their own allegiances to Trump, Evangelicals have lumped him in with other famously flawed heroes of Scripture, suggesting he is actually  God’s anointed, imperfect tool of salvation—in the tradition of the Old Testament.(Well, God did apparently use the jawbone of an ass, so I guess there is precedent).

Seriously, this sanctified retrofitting of this godless President to any kind of Providential momentum is the height of absurdity. By that measurement, let’s find all the most reprehensible human beings we can, give them carte blanche in our seats of power—and see just what God can do!

 

No, Donald Trump wasn’t anointed by God.
He isn’t an instrument of Divine will.
He isn’t Biblically hastening Armageddon or Jesus’ return.

 

He’s just a hateful, indecent, predatory fraud who is destroying the environment, stripping people of their human rights, and making America a global laughing-stock.

 

His ascension is not prophetic but pathetic, the result of:

 

Russian interference,

fake news,

gerrymandering,
voter suppression,
Hillary hatred,
Obama resentment,

Fox News brainwashing,
Democratic stumbles,

the votes of bigoted Evangelicals, whites terrified of losing market share, and third-party voters—and the inaction of 100 million Americans who couldn’t be bothered to participate in one of the greatest responsibilities of living here.

That’s it.

No Providence.
No Divine messages.
No Biblical prophecies.
No spiritual movements.

Just ordinary human beings who chose really, really poorly when they should have known better.

 

This isn’t a mystery or a miracle—and it sure as hell isn’t God.
Christians need to stop passing the buck to God, and just own the compromises and sick bedfellows they’ve been willing to make for Supreme Court seats, anti-LGBTQ legislation, weapon stockpiling, and a rapidly assembling white Christian theocracy. 

Stop namedropping God.

God wasn’t generating fake news or showing up at his campaign rallies or stumping for him at nationwide crusades or using him as an expression of their misogyny.
God didn’t vote for the guy who said he could grab women by the genitalia.
God didn’t choose the guy who said protestors should be beaten.
God didn’t go with the guy endorsed by the KKK.
God didn’t excuse the bankruptcies and overlook the affairs and laugh off the racist remarks.

I’m pretty sure people did that—lots of supposedly Christian folks.

And God isn’t now taunting teenage shooting victims on social media,
or ignoring thousands of lost immigrant children,
or turning a blind eye to Constitutional crises,
or celebrating LGBTQ discrimination,
or laughing off collusion, treason, and human rights atrocities.

Again, Christians.

We really should stop pretending God is responsible for this fast food dumpster fire, when it’s clear whose hand is in it all.

This reality is the rotten fruit of misogyny,
racism,
Nationalism, 
fear, 
xenophobia, 
and bigotry—all released by people who want God to consent to it all so they don’t have to deal with their own culpability or face their own repentance.

God does not consent.

Pray on that.

 

 

 

John Pavlovitz

[Mikey 16,578]

Lets paraphrase an old country song:

"I don't care if it rains or freezes

Long as I've got my white Republican plastic Jesus

Sittin' on the dashboard of my car...."

So anyway, if a few of the super-religious want to engage in the above fantasies, who cares? I fantasize that Auburn will win the football national championship next season. So what? In the meantime, Trump is doing a fine job of dismantling the anti-Amreican damage done by the Obamanistas, so I'm happy even if I don't pray about it.

[Proud Tiger 4,261]

Personally I would be careful about defining who is a "real Christian." Takes a lot of ego to claim that capability. I doubt God would be pleased with anyone assuming they have such ability.

[homersapien 11,367]

1 hour ago, Proud Tiger said:

Personally I would be careful about defining who is a "real Christian." Takes a lot of ego to claim that capability. I doubt God would be pleased with anyone assuming they have such ability.

I am sure that God is really pleased with so-called "Christians" elevating Trump to representing the manifestation of his will.

Right. 

 

 

[Grumps 3,704]

I see two separate issues here.

1. Someone supposedly had a prophecy that Donald Trump would become POTUS. If there is evidence of the claim prior to Trump's candidacy then the person's prophecy was correct. God can absolutely show people things that will happen in the future. People can also make wild guesses that come true. I don't see what this has to do with a Messiah.

2. Some wacko in California thinks Trump is like Jesus (or wants people to think that). Are there any "reputable" politicians calling Trump the Messiah?

[Proud Tiger 4,261]

2 hours ago, GiveEmElle said:

God Has Nothing to Do With Trump Being President

JUNE 8, 2018 / JOHN PAVLOVITZ

If I hear one more Evangelical claim that God chose Donald Trump, I’m swear I’m gonna rapture myself.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

"God chose Donald Trump."  Hope you keep your promise.

[GiveEmElle 1,559]

50 minutes ago, Proud Tiger said:

"God chose Donald Trump."  Hope you keep your promise.

Hate to disappoint you, but that’s not my writings. However, putting me on your ignore list would be equivalent and you could pretend I’m raptured kinda like how you pretend Trump is a good president. 

[kevon67 2,368]

5 hours ago, GiveEmElle said:

Now we know what white republican Jesus looks like. 

What does a white democrat Jesus look like?

[GiveEmElle 1,559]

34 minutes ago, kevon67 said:

What does a white democrat Jesus look like?

There isn’t one. We are the evil, anti-Christian party, remember? 

[kevon67 2,368]

1 minute ago, GiveEmElle said:

There isn’t one. We are the evil, anti-Christian party, remember? 

Actually no I dont.

[GiveEmElle 1,559]

6 minutes ago, kevon67 said:

Actually no I dont.

The secular pundits saw Trump’s victory only as a battle between Democrat and Republican, or between the Left and the Right. But Robison saw it as a supernatural spiritual battle. “What happened,” he told me, “is that God overpowered the foolishness of political correctness and the liberal (not just deceived but possessed) Left, which is far too often dead-set against a biblical worldview and against America’s traditional Judeo-Christian ethics. But they were being totally pushed back.”

https://stream.org/god-and-donald-trump-an-answer-to-prayer/

 

 

[ShocksMyBrain 9,364]

17 minutes ago, kevon67 said:

Actually no I dont.

You must not be on Facebook or read comments under articles. 

[GiveEmElle 1,559]

 

[augolf1716 21,109]

5 hours ago, Mikey said:

Lets paraphrase an old country song:

"I don't care if it rains or freezes

Long as I've got my white Republican plastic Jesus

Sittin' on the dashboard of my car...."

So anyway, if a few of the super-religious want to engage in the above fantasies, who cares? I fantasize that Auburn will win the football national championship next season. So what? In the meantime, Trump is doing a fine job of dismantling the anti-Amreican damage done by the Obamanistas, so I'm happy even if I don't pray about it.

You should remember this one kinda fits the times don't you think

 

[kevon67 2,368]

32 minutes ago, ShocksMyBrain said:

You must not be on Facebook or read comments under articles. 

Never had or will I ever have a facebook acct........not my thing...........the 5 or 6 special people in my life have my contact information......we call one another........I guess my point was that I consider myself right leaning......I knew personally RIP and supported 2 democrats who were God loving Christians from the state of Alabama..........Lois Rockhold and Bill Menton.

[Grumps 3,704]

6 hours ago, GiveEmElle said:

Now we know what white republican Jesus looks like. 

So do you think Jesus is more white or more republican? Hmmmm.

[GiveEmElle 1,559]

9 minutes ago, kevon67 said:

Never had or will I ever have a facebook acct........not my thing...........the 5 or 6 special people in my life have my contact information......we call one another........I guess my point was that I consider myself right leaning......I knew personally RIP and supported 2 democrats who were God loving Christians from the state of Alabama..........Lois Rockhold and Bill Menton.

The only thing I enjoy about FB is being able to connect with classmates and friends who live far away. Other than that it is a bane. 

[GiveEmElle 1,559]

1 minute ago, Grumps said:

So do you think Jesus is more white or more republican? Hmmmm.

Do you realize I was being sarcastic? 

The real Jesus wasn’t white. I use past tense because he is no longer in human form. Being from the Middle East, his skin color was most likely darker than pictures portray him. And considering Jesus spent his earthly ministry healing the sick, I’d say there’s no chance in hell He is remotely Republican. I know this might surprise some of you, but I’ve  actually read and studied the Bible.