Enough about Petrino

[autodd03 0]

Paul Rhoads has Auburn ties and that is usually a prerequisite.

Since when?

Tuberville didn't.

Neither did Bowden.

Or Dye.

pertaining to a JJ hiring of a football coach. small sample size i know.

[AUStudent09 2]

It's never a good time to sell your soul, hiring BP would be doing just that. I don't contest that he is a great coach, but is BP really the person you want representing Auburn? I'm not saying we need to hire a choir boy but BP is not the answer. If you were the parent of a kid being recruited by BP, would you want him to be a part of that program? Being lead and developed by that scum? The University, students, alumni, and fans deserve a man that could recite the Auburn Creed and be taken seriously.

[selias 2,398]

It's never a good time to sell your soul, hiring BP would be doing just that. I don't contest that he is a great coach, but is BP really the person you want representing Auburn? I'm not saying we need to hire a choir boy but BP is not the answer. If you were the parent of a kid being recruited by BP, would you want him to be a part of that program? Being lead and developed by that scum? The University, students, alumni, and fans deserve a man that could recite the Auburn Creed and be taken seriously.

If he wins games and graduates players, I'm in favor of hiring him. I don't care who "him" is.

Give the creed a rest. I'm an AU alum and I can't recite the creed. Hell, I didn't even really know anything about it until it's recent use as a hammer to beat other AU alum.

[TitanTiger 20,531]

It's never a good time to sell your soul, hiring BP would be doing just that.

Only if you hire him not caring if he's learned his lessons and is a different, more humble, more accountable man. Or if you hire him knowing he's none of those things but you just want to win. If, on the other hand, you hire him because beyond his coaching abilities you believe he has demonstrated these character traits then it's not selling your soul at all.

I don't contest that he is a great coach, but is BP really the person you want representing Auburn? I'm not saying we need to hire a choir boy but BP is not the answer. If you were the parent of a kid being recruited by BP, would you want him to be a part of that program? Being lead and developed by that scum? The University, students, alumni, and fans deserve a man that could recite the Auburn Creed and be taken seriously.

Depends on what I said before. There are legions of men who can recite the Auburn Creed and be taken seriously that at certain points in their lives embodied anything but those principles. People learn. People change.

[AUStudent09 2]

I'm not using it as a hammer, more of a wake up call. I would venture to guess, that the creed means quite a bit to most alums, including me. So using the creed as a moral compass for putting a coaching prospect, into perspective, seems to be an appropriate use.

[AUStudent09 2]

It's never a good time to sell your soul, hiring BP would be doing just that.

Only if you hire him not caring if he's learned his lessons and is a different, more humble, more accountable man. Or if you hire him knowing he's none of those things but you just want to win. If, on the other hand, you hire him because beyond his coaching abilities you believe he has demonstrated these character traits then it's not selling your soul at all.

I don't contest that he is a great coach, but is BP really the person you want representing Auburn? I'm not saying we need to hire a choir boy but BP is not the answer. If you were the parent of a kid being recruited by BP, would you want him to be a part of that program? Being lead and developed by that scum? The University, students, alumni, and fans deserve a man that could recite the Auburn Creed and be taken seriously.

Depends on what I said before. There are legions of men who can recite the Auburn Creed and be taken seriously that at certain points in their lives embodied anything but those principles. People learn. People change.

Agreed, people can change. I'm just not sure what BP has done to demonstrate that, at least publicly.

[Auctoritas 2,828]

It's never a good time to sell your soul, hiring BP would be doing just that.

Only if you hire him not caring if he's learned his lessons and is a different, more humble, more accountable man. Or if you hire him knowing he's none of those things but you just want to win. If, on the other hand, you hire him because beyond his coaching abilities you believe he has demonstrated these character traits then it's not selling your soul at all.

I don't contest that he is a great coach, but is BP really the person you want representing Auburn? I'm not saying we need to hire a choir boy but BP is not the answer. If you were the parent of a kid being recruited by BP, would you want him to be a part of that program? Being lead and developed by that scum? The University, students, alumni, and fans deserve a man that could recite the Auburn Creed and be taken seriously.

Depends on what I said before. There are legions of men who can recite the Auburn Creed and be taken seriously that at certain points in their lives embodied anything but those principles. People learn. People change.

Agreed, people can change. I'm just not sure what BP has done to demonstrate that, at least publicly.

This is the problem. The amount of public demonstration he would have to do to be well-regarded by non-AU folks is staggering. Sure, people here would like him and his wins, but the business of CFB is all about sales and image. Bringing him on could be a big mistake, and would make us an even bigger laughingstock than we are right now.

[AUStudent09 2]

It's never a good time to sell your soul, hiring BP would be doing just that.

Only if you hire him not caring if he's learned his lessons and is a different, more humble, more accountable man. Or if you hire him knowing he's none of those things but you just want to win. If, on the other hand, you hire him because beyond his coaching abilities you believe he has demonstrated these character traits then it's not selling your soul at all.

I don't contest that he is a great coach, but is BP really the person you want representing Auburn? I'm not saying we need to hire a choir boy but BP is not the answer. If you were the parent of a kid being recruited by BP, would you want him to be a part of that program? Being lead and developed by that scum? The University, students, alumni, and fans deserve a man that could recite the Auburn Creed and be taken seriously.

Depends on what I said before. There are legions of men who can recite the Auburn Creed and be taken seriously that at certain points in their lives embodied anything but those principles. People learn. People change.

Agreed, people can change. I'm just not sure what BP has done to demonstrate that, at least publicly.

This is the problem. The amount of public demonstration he would have to do to be well-regarded by non-AU folks is staggering. Sure, people here would like him and his wins, but the business of CFB is all about sales and image. Bringing him on could be a big mistake, and would make us an even bigger laughingstock than we are right now.

Absolutely

[TitanTiger 20,531]

Agreed, people can change. I'm just not sure what BP has done to demonstrate that, at least publicly.

Well, for the most part he's been laying low which is how he should be going about things. But there was this interview a couple of months ago where he did indicate publicly he was at least on the right track:

"There is no justification," Petrino said. "There is no excuse for having her in the interview pool, hiring her, having her on the back of the motorcycle. I look back on it and there is no good answer. I wasn't thinking and I wasn't acting correctly.

"That's not how I was raised. That's not how I raised my children. I take responsibility for it and I am really sorry. I have played it over and over in my head a million times. How could I do this? How could this happen? And not just the hiring. Or that day. But my actions, my behavior -- for months it was just wrong."

Petrino said he and Becky are in counseling.

"I'm working hard to save my marriage," he said. "I'm working one day at a time. I want to stay married. That's my main priority right now. Making things right with my family."

Petrino said that time to think has also led him to believe he would approach certain aspects of coaching differently, given the opportunity.

"I've made mistakes and I'm going to be a better person for it," he said. "I'm going to keep my life in better balance. And I really feel I'll be a better coach because this happened, because now I know that I'm going to coach the person as much as the player and help the person who has made mistakes, help him understand that he is not going to be defined by the mistakes he has made but how he reacts to it and overcomes it."

http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/8251166/bobby-petrino-fired-arkansas-razorbacks-coach-apologizes-interview-espn

[TitanTiger 20,531]

This is the problem. The amount of public demonstration he would have to do to be well-regarded by non-AU folks is staggering. Sure, people here would like him and his wins, but the business of CFB is all about sales and image. Bringing him on could be a big mistake, and would make us an even bigger laughingstock than we are right now.

I think you're projecting your own personal bar of requirements onto others.

[AUStudent09 2]

This is the problem. The amount of public demonstration he would have to do to be well-regarded by non-AU folks is staggering. Sure, people here would like him and his wins, but the business of CFB is all about sales and image. Bringing him on could be a big mistake, and would make us an even bigger laughingstock than we are right now.

I think you're projecting your own personal bar of requirements onto others.

There are a lot of people with the same line of thinking, many in this forum.

[Auctoritas 2,828]

This is the problem. The amount of public demonstration he would have to do to be well-regarded by non-AU folks is staggering. Sure, people here would like him and his wins, but the business of CFB is all about sales and image. Bringing him on could be a big mistake, and would make us an even bigger laughingstock than we are right now.

I think you're projecting your own personal bar of requirements onto others.

And I think you are too blinded your win-at-any-cost attitude to realize he's a snake. The rest of the country is still convinced that we lack morals, do you really think it is wise to give them any more ammunition?

[TitanTiger 20,531]

This is the problem. The amount of public demonstration he would have to do to be well-regarded by non-AU folks is staggering. Sure, people here would like him and his wins, but the business of CFB is all about sales and image. Bringing him on could be a big mistake, and would make us an even bigger laughingstock than we are right now.

I think you're projecting your own personal bar of requirements onto others.

And I think you are too blinded your win-at-any-cost attitude to realize he's a snake. The rest of the country is still convinced that we lack morals, do you really think it is wise to give them any more ammunition?

I'm not blinded by anything. If I can't feel confident that he's a changed man then I won't support him to become our coach. What I won't do is close my mind to the possibility as you seem to do.

And frankly, we could hire a modern day Gandhi as our head coach and it wouldn't change the rest of the country's mind, so I really don't give a frick what they think.

[AUStudent09 2]

Agreed, people can change. I'm just not sure what BP has done to demonstrate that, at least publicly.

Well, for the most part he's been laying low which is how he should be going about things. But there was this interview a couple of months ago where he did indicate publicly he was at least on the right track:

"There is no justification," Petrino said. "There is no excuse for having her in the interview pool, hiring her, having her on the back of the motorcycle. I look back on it and there is no good answer. I wasn't thinking and I wasn't acting correctly.

"That's not how I was raised. That's not how I raised my children. I take responsibility for it and I am really sorry. I have played it over and over in my head a million times. How could I do this? How could this happen? And not just the hiring. Or that day. But my actions, my behavior -- for months it was just wrong."

Petrino said he and Becky are in counseling.

"I'm working hard to save my marriage," he said. "I'm working one day at a time. I want to stay married. That's my main priority right now. Making things right with my family."

Petrino said that time to think has also led him to believe he would approach certain aspects of coaching differently, given the opportunity.

"I've made mistakes and I'm going to be a better person for it," he said. "I'm going to keep my life in better balance. And I really feel I'll be a better coach because this happened, because now I know that I'm going to coach the person as much as the player and help the person who has made mistakes, help him understand that he is not going to be defined by the mistakes he has made but how he reacts to it and overcomes it."

http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/8251166/bobby-petrino-fired-arkansas-razorbacks-coach-apologizes-interview-espn

It does sound like he is on the right track and I hope he is, actions speak louder than words though. I'm in favor of letting another take a chance on him. Just MHO of course

[TigerNBham 3]

While I do not want BP, after 2010 two things are off my radar: SEC unity and what the rest of the country thinks.

However, I want us to win but would like to find a way to do so that does not include BP.

[TitanTiger 20,531]

It does sound like he is on the right track and I hope he is, actions speak louder than words though. I'm in favor of letting another take a chance on him. Just MHO of course

I'm in favor of not having to face him at Tennessee or elsewhere because we set the bar impossibly high or just refused to even consider him out of some out-of-balance sense of moral superiority at Auburn. I want a good man as our coach but I primarily want a coach. My priest is a great moral leader but I wouldn't pay him 5 bucks to coach my football team.

[yeaauburn 21]

In this day and age when the Constitution of the United States is under siege from a Socialist government and you people are worried about the hiring of Bobby Petrino...get off your high horse.

[TigerNBham 3]

OK, your priest and Gene are off the table as next year's coach.

If not them or BP then who ?

[DANSBY 0]

In this day and age when the Constitution of the United States is under siege from a Socialist government and you people are worried about the hiring of Bobby Petrino...get off your high horse.

Says the guy on a Bobby Petrino thread on a college football message board.

[Auctoritas 2,828]

This is the problem. The amount of public demonstration he would have to do to be well-regarded by non-AU folks is staggering. Sure, people here would like him and his wins, but the business of CFB is all about sales and image. Bringing him on could be a big mistake, and would make us an even bigger laughingstock than we are right now.

I think you're projecting your own personal bar of requirements onto others.

And I think you are too blinded your win-at-any-cost attitude to realize he's a snake. The rest of the country is still convinced that we lack morals, do you really think it is wise to give them any more ammunition?

I'm not blinded by anything. If I can't feel confident that he's a changed man then I won't support him to become our coach. What I won't do is close my mind to the possibility as you seem to do.

And frankly, we could hire a modern day Gandhi as our head coach and it wouldn't change the rest of the country's mind, so I really don't give a frick what they think.

Ok, you tell me: Why should I open my mind to a man who was involved in the Jetgate fiasco, left Louisville months after signing a 6 year deal and saying he was never going to leave, going to the Falcons and leaving them 3/4 of the way through a season in the middle of the night ONE DAY after telling Arthur Blank to his face that he was staying no matter what? For god's sake, he didn't even have the cojones to tell the team, he taped a 3 sentence note to the lockers.

To me, it has nothing to do with him getting a reacharound on a motorcycle, its about him screwing every program that hires him.

[TitanTiger 20,531]

Ok, you tell me: Why should I open my mind to a man who was involved in the Jetgate fiasco, left Louisville months after signing a 6 year deal and saying he was never going to leave, going to the Falcons and leaving them 3/4 of the way through a season in the middle of the night ONE DAY after telling Arthur Blank to his face that he was staying no matter what? For god's sake, he didn't even have the cojones to tell the team, he taped a 3 sentence note to the lockers.

Thanks for confirming that no evidence can sway you. Why do you insist on restating things that no one is disputing? The question was never, "has Petrino done bad things?" It's whether or not Petrino, as a result of hitting rock bottom, come to look at himself honestly in the mirror and realize he had to change and be a better man? Does he own his failures and take responsibility or continue to blame others or make excuses? Because those are the questions that matter.

[Rednilla 5,397]

Ok, you tell me: Why should I open my mind to a man who was involved in the Jetgate fiasco, left Louisville months after signing a 6 year deal and saying he was never going to leave, going to the Falcons and leaving them 3/4 of the way through a season in the middle of the night ONE DAY after telling Arthur Blank to his face that he was staying no matter what? For god's sake, he didn't even have the cojones to tell the team, he taped a 3 sentence note to the lockers.

To me, it has nothing to do with him getting a reacharound on a motorcycle, its about him screwing every program that hires him.

Not completely disagreeing here, but don't forget that Tuberville famously vowed he would leave Oxford "in a pine box"...

[AUStudent09 2]

It does sound like he is on the right track and I hope he is, actions speak louder than words though. I'm in favor of letting another take a chance on him. Just MHO of course

I'm in favor of not having to face him at Tennessee or elsewhere because we set the bar impossibly high or just refused to even consider him out of some out-of-balance sense of moral superiority at Auburn. I want a good man as our coach but I primarily want a coach. My priest is a great moral leader but I wouldn't pay him 5 bucks to coach my football team.

So wanting a decent person to represent Auburn is an "out of balance sense of moral superiority"? I'm always a fan of leading by example. There are other options to pursue besides Petrino. Maybe by not hiring Petrino, Auburn says to college football "yea we know he's a good coach, but he doesn't represent the values at Auburn".

[Auctoritas 2,828]

Ok, you tell me: Why should I open my mind to a man who was involved in the Jetgate fiasco, left Louisville months after signing a 6 year deal and saying he was never going to leave, going to the Falcons and leaving them 3/4 of the way through a season in the middle of the night ONE DAY after telling Arthur Blank to his face that he was staying no matter what? For god's sake, he didn't even have the cojones to tell the team, he taped a 3 sentence note to the lockers.

Thanks for confirming that no evidence can sway you. Why do you insist on restating things that no one is disputing? The question was never, "has Petrino done bad things?" It's whether or not Petrino, as a result of hitting rock bottom, come to look at himself honestly in the mirror and realize he had to change and be a better man? Does he own his failures and take responsibility or continue to blame others or make excuses? Because those are the questions that matter.

You are forgetting one question that matters more than the others: What if you hire him, and you're wrong about him?

Frankly, it's not a question that I'd want to be in a position to answer.

[TitanTiger 20,531]

It does sound like he is on the right track and I hope he is, actions speak louder than words though. I'm in favor of letting another take a chance on him. Just MHO of course

I'm in favor of not having to face him at Tennessee or elsewhere because we set the bar impossibly high or just refused to even consider him out of some out-of-balance sense of moral superiority at Auburn. I want a good man as our coach but I primarily want a coach. My priest is a great moral leader but I wouldn't pay him 5 bucks to coach my football team.

So wanting a decent person to represent Auburn is an "out of balance sense of moral superiority"?

No. Hiring a football coach primarily on that basis instead of as a factor among others (chief of which is whether or not he's a good coach who can compete in this league) is. So is refusing to consider him regardless of what he's done to change since his fall from grace. That and a few other tired canards I keep seeing brought up are a "out-of-balance sense of moral superiority."

I'm always a fan of leading by example. There are other options to pursue besides Petrino. Maybe by not hiring Petrino, Auburn says to college football "yea we know he's a good coach, but he doesn't represent the values at Auburn".

Sure. There are always other options. The question is whether those options are as good at coaching football in the SEC. If he is indeed a changed man, it would be foolish to refuse to consider him.

And that "doesn't represent the values at Auburn" thing...more of that inflated sense of superiority I mentioned earlier. Because if he has repented, if he's done the right things and has dealt honestly with what he did and who he was, then closed-mindedly refusing to look at him as head coach says nothing good about Auburn values.