Is Harvard better than Bama???

[Tigermike 3,047]

I don’t think computers should be used in any way what so ever to judge college football or any other sport. When Auburn supporters give a crap whether Toledo beats Bowling Green, something is screwed up big time.

According to Sagarin's ELO-Chess (BSC component), Division 1AA Harvard is #38, Stanford is #40, BYU #41, ALABAMA is #44, New Hampshire is #45, William & Mary #50. Does anyone think ALABAMA would have a hard time with any of these teams? Even with all their injuries, I think Alabama could almost name the score against those teams

How can the garbage that these computers are spitting out possibly be considered as the deciding factor on determining the Orange Bowl participants?

If I was writing the computer program for the BCS, there would be more points given for beating nationally ranked teams and fewer points for beating competitive unranked teams. Games against teams with no chance would all count the same--whether it was Auburn vs. The Citadel, Oklahoma vs. Houston or USC vs. Colorado State.

When the computer programmers who have proclaimed themselves football experts have a deciding voice in who plays for the National Championship something is truly amiss. They should kick the computers out the door and use only human polls. Humans can watch the games and make judgments in the relative differences of the teams. Computers ONLY count numbers, and they count them in the way their programmers tell them to count them. When the same weight is given to Bowling Green vs. Toledo as is given Auburn vs. Georgia, the system is inherently wrong.

ALMOST MIDDLE OF THE PACK

33 North Carolina 77.76

34 Colorado 77.76

35 New Mexico 76.47

36 Arkansas 76.21

37 Iowa State 76.06

38 Harvard 75.51

39 Georgia Tech 75.49

40 Stanford 75.26

41 BYU 74.98

42 Oregon 74.77

43 Clemson 74.43

44 Alabama 74.30

45 New Hampshire 74.16

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin/fbt04.htm

HOW THEY RATE THE SOUTHEASTERN CONFERENCE

5 Auburn

11 Georgia

16 LSU

21 Tennessee

28 Florida

36 Arkansas

44 Alabama

46 South Carolina

82 Mississippi

106 Mississippi State

112 Vanderbilt

122 Kentucky

[au.tiger.96 12]

I agree with your statements, however, your the rankings listed are Jeff Sagarin ranking not ELO-CHESS rankings. Still Screwed Up...

Oklahoma 100.5 1

SouthernCal 100.45 2

Auburn 94.12 3

California 94.05 4

Texas 92.36 5

Utah 92.02 6

Louisville 86.29 9

Texas 85.67 10

Miami-Florida 85.66 11

Iowa 84.94 12

LSU 84.14 15

Georgia 83.99 16

Tennessee 82.94 17

UTEP 82.63 18

Virginia 82.47 19

Michigan 81.79 20

Wisconsin 81.6 22

North 80.57 24

Boston 78.66 26

Colorado 77.82 30

Purdue 77.09 33

New 76.74 34

Clemson 76.27 35

Notre 75.98 36

Northwestern 75.39 37

Florida 75.34 38

Harvard 75.22 39

UCLA 75.17 40

James 74.36 41

Memphis 74.34 42

New 74.19 44

UAB 73.86 45

Arkansas 73.69 47

Navy 73.22 48

Pittsburgh 73.15 49

BYU 72.64 51

Delaware 72.56 52

South 72.41 53

Nebraska 72.4 54

Cincinnati 72.14 55

Oregon 71.93 58

Maryland 71.91 59

Southern 71.68 60

Minnesota 71.48 61

Stanford 71.36 62

Wyoming 71.23 63

Wake 71.2 64

Syracuse 71.05 65

Troy 70.98 66

TCU 70.98 67

Alabama 70.97 68

Kansas 70.72 69

Connecticut 69.94 71

Baylor 69.65 73

Florida 69.58 74

New 69.52 75

Bowling 68.64 76

Missouri 68.37 77

Air 68.24 78

Mississippi 68.17 79

[Tigermike 3,047]

Sorry about that.

ALABAMA #51

I still have a hard time believing that any system that has these rankings is not fundamentally flawed.

UTEP 82.63 18

Virginia 82.47 19

Michigan 81.79 20

Wisconsin 81.6 22

North Carolina 80.57 24

Boston College 78.66 26

Colorado 77.82 30

Purdue 77.09 33

New 76.74 34

Clemson 76.27 35

Notre 75.98 36

Northwestern 75.39 37

Florida 75.34 38

Harvard 75.22 39

UCLA 75.17 40

James 74.36 41 I am assuming that is James Madison

Memphis 74.34 42

New 74.19 44

UAB 73.86 45

Arkansas 73.69 47

Navy 73.22 48

Pittsburgh 73.15 49

BYU 72.64 51

Delaware 72.56 52

South 72.41 53 Carolina?

Nebraska 72.4 54

Cincinnati 72.14 55

Oregon 71.93 58

Maryland 71.91 59

Southern 71.68 60

Minnesota 71.48 61

Stanford 71.36 62

Wyoming 71.23 63

Wake 71.2 64

Syracuse 71.05 65

Troy 70.98 66

TCU 70.98 67

Alabama 70.97 68

[AU4Ever 0]

Well I guess this says it all. According to this, Baylor is worse than Alabama, who is worse than Harvard. Very interesting!!!!!

[SCWarEagle 4]

You people just don't seem to understand that these computers are always right. No one has ever questioned them before. Why should we question them now?

Please note the sarcasm.

PS. Where does this Jeff Sagarin live anyway? I'd like to reason with him.

[lcau 0]

It makes no sense. Arizona State was ranked 8th, they just lost to Arizona ranked 85th. Granted an upset without the considering the computers, but to have a 2 loss arizona state team in there at 8th was ridiculous. This loss just proves it.

[Tigermike 3,047]

Where does this Jeff Sagarin live anyway? I'd like to reason with him.

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I don't think there is any reasoning with him.

[AU4Ever 0]

Computers are great for a lot of things, but ranking football teams is not one of them. You can look at cold hard numbers all day long, and come up with who should win. But a computer can't take into consideration factors such as momentum, rivalries, weather conditions, etc.

But looks like there are six computers who say we are not very good this year, and they may end up having the final say. It sucks, doesn't it?

[WarTim 3,457]

In every category that matters...Harvard IS better than uat.

[WinCrimson 61]

In every category that matters...Harvard IS better than uat.

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LOL! This is the reason why computers are a bunch of BS... which make the BcS!

No reason that a computer should choose the national champion. But until we get a playoff, there is no way around it.

[WarTim 3,457]

In every category that matters...Harvard IS better than uat.

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LOL! This is the reason why computers are a bunch of BS... which make the BcS!

No reason that a computer should choose the national champion. But until we get a playoff, there is no way around it.

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Sorry to burst your uat bubble, but, I didn't need a computer of any type to come up with my opinion of uat.

[vatz22au 142]

In every category that matters...Harvard IS better than uat.

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LOL! This is the reason why computers are a bunch of BS... which make the BcS!

No reason that a computer should choose the national champion. But until we get a playoff, there is no way around it.

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Sorry to burst your uat bubble, but, I didn't need a computer of any type to come up with my opinion of uat.

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lol how do you do it timmy, how do you do it

+5 for wartim 0 for bama