homersapien 11,409 Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 I'm sorry to say but if any of you believe he was in a car and did not know there was pot in there I don't know what to tell you.....I do have some land on the moon that I'm selling really cheap if you're interested. It MAY not have been his, he may not have smoked it at all, but it is his JUDGEMENT that he went off with people in a car where there was drugs. Its a maturity issue and IMO shows a lack of good decision making. This is a nearly 20 year old kid and I think he has two kids of his own.....come on. THREE DAYS AFTER SIGNING DAY. I feel pretty certain all these recruits get a speech from Gus when they sign......"You are an AU man now, you do what you need to do in school and keep your nose clean because once you signed that letter you represent Auburn, and we won't tolerate players who tarnish that". That includes making wise decisions about the company you keep. How will Gus handle this, IDK. I think he will take a wait and see approach to let the facts come out and make a decision then, but honestly in the end I think he cuts him loose. Gus just doesn't seem to play with this stuff and after seeing the problems that arose under Chizik I'm sure he has a good reason why. Sometimes letting a good player go is the BEST thing to do for the entire team.....look at Michael Dyer. I guess Gus will do what he feels is the best thing to do for both AU and for this young man. Gus has shown all of us that he knows better than we do and he will do what is the best thing for AU and for the team, period. This, 100%. It has nothing to do with high horses or illegal vs should be legal. It's all about putting yourself in situations that set you up for failure, and that includes associating with people who make bad choices. I did drug interdiction for 5 years. Believe me, if there is 202 grams of marijuana in a car, you can smell it no matter how it is packaged or sealed. If you didn't know what the smell was, believe me, you'd ask what it was that smelled so bad. That being said, we have to wait for the process to play out a little further before we can cast aspersions onto anything except for poor decision-making skills (which, for the record, are not illegal yet). I hope information comes out that he just got in the car 30 seconds before that and he'd never met the people before. So, tl;dr: wait and see from our moral high ground? :gofig:/> To say that anyone in a car with 8 ounces of pot in it will know by the smell or he "just had to know" (seriously?) is very possibly inaccurate for more reasons than I care to mention here. My gut tells me best case scenario he knew he was riding with some smokers, but the jury is still out on all this, and we don't even know if that is true. I'm not speaking offhand. I searched for drugs for a living for 5 years with a drug dog. I've been in a lot of cars with weed in them. That much pot will have an odor, and even if you can't identify that odor, you will notice it. That's not opinion, that's biology and chemistry. Of course it will have an odor. That's where the concealment part comes in. Using your logic it would be impossible for someone to hide the odor of marijuana. That's not even considering masking smells like cologne, cigars, cigarettes, fresheners, etc. For all I know he could have known something was up. However, to say he had to know because he would have undeniably smelled the pot because 8 ounces were involved is ridiculous. It's safe to say that many people have been in a car containing that much weed and never known it. Duuh. There are a lot of different materials used for packaging food and other oxygen-sensitive products. Such materials are also very,very good odor barriers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdgeneration 6,469 Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 Wow...I almost miss the Rashaan Evans discussion... Sad. I hate that we may lose a signee due to poor decisions. I hate it for him as much as for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homersapien 11,409 Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 are you saying you can smell weed in a bag? Uniquivocally, yes. Go put some cookies in a plastic bag, leave it there for an hour, and then sniff the bag. You will smell the cookies. Bags are not airtight, and the odor will transmit through even the plastic. Sorry, but you are wrong. While that's true for a common "zip lock" bag, you could put as many of those you can fit into a bag made from a barrier material and as long as the bag is tightly sealed, it will block the odor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msg6367 1 Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 In related news....Gus has appointed Oxford Tiger as morality police.......then immediately fired him when he dismissed most of the team for not living up to his standards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Metalsinger418 88 Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 Beating a dead horse here... You dead horse people need to find another thread. It's called debating, it happens on forums, get over it. Unwad your panties and take a damn joke. Jokes happen on forums, get over it. In related news....Gus has appointed Oxford Tiger as morality police.......then immediately fired him when he dismissed most of the team for not living up to his standards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homersapien 11,409 Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 The cop was able to search the car because he smelling weed smoke, so the claims that Bessent didn't know there was weed under the seat are bogus. And honestly, if this were any other team's signee I think most of us would be calling BS at that excuse. As Chizik said after the armed robbery idiots, you are innocent until proven guilty in the courts, but playing for Auburn is a priviledge not a right. If this were simple possession and if he was already on campus then I would understand just punishment. However, IMO because this kid did this just days after he signed, I would kick him to the curb. Auburn is better than this. So you're saying because it smelled like weed, KB definitely knew what was under his seat? Makes perfect sense. :-\ No. I'm saying because the cop smelled weed, Bessent doesn't get the benefit of the doubt on not knowing there was weed in the car. It's not that hard to understand. Did he smell weed or did he smell the smoke from burning weed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homersapien 11,409 Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 I've consulted my drug experts, "Cheech" and "Chong" and they say... "What was the question, man?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elephant Tipper 430 Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 As I said earlier in this thread, aren't y'all concerned that KB's arrest record shows that he's 6'0" and 166# instead of the 6'1" 188# as advertised when recruiting ? An inch shorter and 23 pounds lighter. AND, KB was in a Dodge Charger when arrested. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msg6367 1 Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 Just posting on this thread has given me the munchies all day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiger88 934 Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 Beating a dead horse here... You dead horse people need to find another thread. It's called debating, it happens on forums, get over it. Unwad your panties and take a damn joke. Jokes happen on forums, get over Ok. So you weren't complaining that people were beating a dead horse? If I can give Calvarez the benefit of the doubt I suppose I can believe you were joking as well. Sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMassie11 1,610 Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 As I said earlier in this thread, aren't y'all concerned that KB's arrest record shows that he's 6'0" and 166# instead of the 6'1" 188# as advertised when recruiting ? An inch shorter and 23 pounds lighter. AND, KB was in a Dodge Charger when arrested. Well the charger wasn't his unless you are taking a wild shot in the dark that a certain school has a vendetta against future auburn players Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wdefromtx 3,159 Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elephant Tipper 430 Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 As I said earlier in this thread, aren't y'all concerned that KB's arrest record shows that he's 6'0" and 166# instead of the 6'1" 188# as advertised when recruiting ? An inch shorter and 23 pounds lighter. AND, KB was in a Dodge Charger when arrested. Well the charger wasn't his unless you are taking a wild shot in the dark that a certain school has a vendetta against future auburn players No. Tongue in cheek only. The part about his stats though is very odd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMassie11 1,610 Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 Beating a dead horse here... You dead horse people need to find another thread. It's called debating, it happens on forums, get over it. Unwad your panties and take a damn joke. Jokes happen on forums, get over Seeing that the only real debate people are having on this thread is wether or not it should be legal it is beating a dead horse....like I said before what concerns me more than anything is the situation he put himself in and the gun that was found Ok. So you weren't complaining that people were beating a dead horse? If I can give Calvarez the benefit of the doubt I suppose I can believe you were joking as well. Sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homersapien 11,409 Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 I rarely look under the seats in my car and would have no idea what's under them. I think I'll go check under my seats now. True, I cant tell you the number of times I've found drugs, guns, RPGs, etc under my car seats when I vacuum my car at those self service car washes. Very embarrassing to say the least... :-\ It's good to check under your seats from time to time. My wife once found a lipstick under the passenger seat of my car that didn't belong to her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMassie11 1,610 Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 As I said earlier in this thread, aren't y'all concerned that KB's arrest record shows that he's 6'0" and 166# instead of the 6'1" 188# as advertised when recruiting ? An inch shorter and 23 pounds lighter. AND, KB was in a Dodge Charger when arrested. Well the charger wasn't his unless you are taking a wild shot in the dark that a certain school has a vendetta against future auburn players No. Tongue in cheek only. The part about his stats though is very odd. case of mistaken identity ala Jamis Winston maybe? Hey it could happen....maybe....probably not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wdefromtx 3,159 Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 I rarely look under the seats in my car and would have no idea what's under them. I think I'll go check under my seats now. True, I cant tell you the number of times I've found drugs, guns, RPGs, etc under my car seats when I vacuum my car at those self service car washes. Very embarrassing to say the least... :-\/> It's good to check under your seats from time to time. My wife once found a lipstick under the passenger seat of my car that didn't belong to her. RUT ROH! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigman334 56 Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 As I said earlier in this thread, aren't y'all concerned that KB's arrest record shows that he's 6'0" and 166# instead of the 6'1" 188# as advertised when recruiting ? An inch shorter and 23 pounds lighter. AND, KB was in a Dodge Charger when arrested. no. the numbers are wrong way more than they are right. Even going from college to NFL the numbers are somtimes off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msg6367 1 Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 I rarely look under the seats in my car and would have no idea what's under them. I think I'll go check under my seats now. True, I cant tell you the number of times I've found drugs, guns, RPGs, etc under my car seats when I vacuum my car at those self service car washes. Very embarrassing to say the least... :-\/> It's good to check under your seats from time to time. My wife once found a lipstick under the passenger seat of my car that didn't belong to her. RUT ROH! I would probably prefer to find a gun and drugs...... :-\ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homersapien 11,409 Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 This much is true by reading through this thread- some folks like to argue, apparently for the sake of arguing. Please though, continue to beat this dead horse until new info and facts come out. Well some of us are trying to vent their anger and frustration through humor. Sometimes all you can to feel better is just to laugh about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wdefromtx 3,159 Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 This much is true by reading through this thread- some folks like to argue, apparently for the sake of arguing. Please though, continue to beat this dead horse until new info and facts come out. :)/> Well some of us are trying to vent their anger and frustration through humor. :whistle:/> Sometimes all you can to feel better is just to laugh about it. :brickwall:/> :no:/> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexava 6,973 Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 I'm sorry to say but if any of you believe he was in a car and did not know there was pot in there I don't know what to tell you.....I do have some land on the moon that I'm selling really cheap if you're interested. It MAY not have been his, he may not have smoked it at all, but it is his JUDGEMENT that he went off with people in a car where there was drugs. Its a maturity issue and IMO shows a lack of good decision making. This is a nearly 20 year old kid and I think he has two kids of his own.....come on. THREE DAYS AFTER SIGNING DAY. I feel pretty certain all these recruits get a speech from Gus when they sign......"You are an AU man now, you do what you need to do in school and keep your nose clean because once you signed that letter you represent Auburn, and we won't tolerate players who tarnish that". That includes making wise decisions about the company you keep. How will Gus handle this, IDK. I think he will take a wait and see approach to let the facts come out and make a decision then, but honestly in the end I think he cuts him loose. Gus just doesn't seem to play with this stuff and after seeing the problems that arose under Chizik I'm sure he has a good reason why. Sometimes letting a good player go is the BEST thing to do for the entire team.....look at Michael Dyer. I guess Gus will do what he feels is the best thing to do for both AU and for this young man. Gus has shown all of us that he knows better than we do and he will do what is the best thing for AU and for the team, period. This, 100%. It has nothing to do with high horses or illegal vs should be legal. It's all about putting yourself in situations that set you up for failure, and that includes associating with people who make bad choices. I did drug interdiction for 5 years. Believe me, if there is 202 grams of marijuana in a car, you can smell it no matter how it is packaged or sealed. If you didn't know what the smell was, believe me, you'd ask what it was that smelled so bad. That being said, we have to wait for the process to play out a little further before we can cast aspersions onto anything except for poor decision-making skills (which, for the record, are not illegal yet). I hope information comes out that he just got in the car 30 seconds before that and he'd never met the people before. So, tl;dr: wait and see from our moral high ground? :gofig:/> To say that anyone in a car with 8 ounces of pot in it will know by the smell or he "just had to know" (seriously?) is very possibly inaccurate for more reasons than I care to mention here. My gut tells me best case scenario he knew he was riding with some smokers, but the jury is still out on all this, and we don't even know if that is true. I'm not speaking offhand. I searched for drugs for a living for 5 years with a drug dog. I've been in a lot of cars with weed in them. That much pot will have an odor, and even if you can't identify that odor, you will notice it. That's not opinion, that's biology and chemistry. are you saying you can smell weed in a bag? I'll answer this one too. Yes, it is possible. Some weed is so strong in odor that you can put it in multiple ziploc baggies and still smell it. That doesn't mean the odor can't be concealed from a passenger in some cases. i learn something every day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homersapien 11,409 Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 I am amazed at how many Auburn fans will excuse anything just so the football program can win another game or two. Kid was driving around at 10 o'clock at night in a state he did not live in, and the car he was riding in had a strong odor of marijuana. The idea that he didn't know what was going on defies logic. Not one person on this board would believe such an excuse if it came from a bammer, Georgia, or LSU recruit Dude, you are speaking like someone who might be a complete idiot. Some are assuming guilt. Some, like me think it is very possible or likely he knew. Some, like me as well, have taken the "wait until all the evidence is in, because you never know" approach. A tiny % have said no harm even if he knew. Has there ever been a police report that noted a "barely noticeable" odor of marijuana? Not many, if any. Not to quibble, but the only one who seems to have drawn any conclusions is Oxford. I think everyone else is speculating on what happened and they know they are speculating. And maybe I overlooked the "tiny % (who) have said no harm even if he knew" but I haven't seen it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elephant Tipper 430 Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 As I said earlier in this thread, aren't y'all concerned that KB's arrest record shows that he's 6'0" and 166# instead of the 6'1" 188# as advertised when recruiting ? An inch shorter and 23 pounds lighter. AND, KB was in a Dodge Charger when arrested. no. the numbers are wrong way more than they are right. Even going from college to NFL the numbers are somtimes off. I'm aware of that, but 23# lighter ? Seems just a TAD out of the norm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
War28Eagle 1 Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 We all just need to pray for him and his family. I also hope Gus makes the right decision. I know he will and i think we should give another chance. Hes still a kid and hasnt even got on campus yet! The coaches will get him straight! Hes such a terrific ball player id hate to see that talent go to waste Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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